Should a Jewish Bakery Have the Right to Deny...

[The T]

No, they wouldn't. It's why they wrote a set of rules we still use called "The Constitution". Did you know it had no Bill of Rights at first? What were your rights then eh? None? All?

And WHY were they written...Many Colonies wouldn't sign on without assurances that the PEOPLE and the States could retain their sovereignty...without the FEDERAL Government overriding it. YOU have no clue son.

How funny then that they ratified it, two years before they did the Bill of Rights.

NO they didn't Many States REFUSED to ratify UNTIL the Amendments were included. YOU lie.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

nobody cares.......shop someplace else.

Those of us who care about equality care, and we're in the lead so you'll just have to deal with it.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?

Should the Jewish baker be forced to bake such a cake.


I mean few people argued the Baker was wrong when he refused to bake the cake "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler!"

Adolf Hitler denied his birthday cake - Telegraph

Yet in AZ one can not conceive that a religious baker has any argument in not baking a cake for a gay marriage.

The vast vast majority of Christian bakers that don't want any part of a gay marriage ceremony would be fine selling to gays for any other occasion.

I personally disagree with a baker not making money for a gay marriage ceremony, but I can see their argument.

Go back to the birthday cake for Adolf Hitler, I think that baker was in the right and so did most people!

Not according to homofascists they wouldn't, but don't count on homofascists to be intellectually or morally consistent about anything, let alone defend liberty or the "rights" of anyone but themselves.

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Hysterical nonsense. The bill does not allow persons to refuse service simply on the basis of one’s sexual orientation. Hogwash.

The bill merely allows that persons may lawfully decline service based on moral/religious grounds relative to the kind of service requested. In other words, no forcing orthodox Christians or Jews, for example, in violation of their religious convictions and, therefore, in violation of their natural and constitutional rights, to produce expressions that are morally anathema to them, to participate in pagan rituals that are morally anathema to them or to allow persons on their property to engage in behavior that is morally anathema to them.

Only the morally or mentally insane--for example, homofascist thugs--would fail to understand or pretend not to understand why one would have the right to refuse service on those grounds in our constitutional Republican.

The law asserts nothing new, but has become necessary in order to stave off rapacious litigation based on laws that should have never been passed in the first place or challenges to religious liberties that should have never been heard by any court in the land in the first place.

Welcome to the real motive behind the homofascist agenda of marriage and “tolerance.” Or does anyone actually believe that these thugs would tolerate behavior on their property that offended their moral sensibilities, such as they are, or would tolerate being compelled to engage in behavior that offended them?

The law protects us all.

Does a Christian or a Jew have to participate in Nazi rallies or weddings? Take photos? Serve cakes and other goodies?

Let’s send skinheads over to the homofascist-owned businesses in our communities.

We’d hear the squeals and screams for miles. Yeah. They’d learn the necessity of free association, the importance of property rights and individual liberty in a hurry. But of course they already know all that.

Check out what these tolerant dears do when Christians peacefully exercise their First Amendment rights on the public sidewalks and thoroughfares owned by everyone.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcKJEHrvwDI]Gay Marriage Mob Violently Attacks Elderly Woman - YouTube[/ame]

This footage begins after the Christians were physically assaulted and before the police arrived to protect them. One homofascist objects to the cops stopping him from continuing to follow the Christians “on the public sidewalk” Another calls these Christians cowards. Zoom! Right over their bullying heads.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI9ckQ6494k#aid=P8t5KBguhgg]Gay's Attack Christians in Seattle - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Xb-au-wpU]Castro District Gays Attack A Christian Missionary - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuqXiHzZtk]Christians Assaulted in San Francisco - YouTube[/ame]

Check out what homofascists are doing in England against private educational concerns.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OeMfeVijA]Christian Schools Under Attack for Not Promoting Homosexuality as Normal - YouTube[/ame]

Check out what homofascists do on private property.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZJvMzSKmKA]Gay Anarchists Disrupt Church Service - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llIOdgOZLF4]Homosexual activists terrorize Boston church - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yXaPFwBdkA&list=PLE6AF0BE0B532ECC3]Bash Back - Gay AntiChristian Terrorists - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZJvMzSKmKA]Gay Anarchists Disrupt Church Service - YouTube[/ame]

Argentina: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77t3vbidB0w]Feminists attackssss Argentina cathedral - YouTube[/ame]

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[PaintMyHouse]

And WHY were they written...Many Colonies wouldn't sign on without assurances that the PEOPLE and the States could retain their sovereignty...without the FEDERAL Government overriding it. YOU have no clue son.

How funny then that they ratified it, two years before they did the Bill of Rights.

NO they didn't Many States REFUSED to ratify UNTIL the Amendments were included. YOU lie.

They were separately ratified, two years apart, which was my point.

 

[The T]

nobody cares.......shop someplace else.

Those of us who care about equality care, and we're in the lead so you'll just have to deal with it.

EQUALITY is defined as HOW you choose to exercise your Liberty, and responsibly...NOT equal OUTCOME...that is where you Statists get all fucked in the head. YOU cannot guarantee equal outcome. ALL people are different, so HOW can YOU make that claim unless it is by FORCE of intrusive government?

WHY do YOU insist on government by force ensuring 'Equality of RESULT' whether WE like it or not?

 

[CaféAuLait]

...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?

Should the Jewish baker be forced to bake such a cake.


I mean few people argued the Baker was wrong when he refused to bake the cake "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler!"

Adolf Hitler denied his birthday cake - Telegraph

Yet in AZ one can not conceive that a religious baker has any argument in not baking a cake for a gay marriage.

The vast vast majority of Christian bakers that don't want any part of a gay marriage ceremony would be fine selling to gays for any other occasion.

I personally disagree with a baker not making money for a gay marriage ceremony, but I can see their argument.

Go back to the birthday cake for Adolf Hitler, I think that baker was in the right and so did most people!

I believe the example here is extreme and doubt it would happen and if that were to happen then they should have the right to refuse those who are a threat to their very existence, given white hate groups call for their death.

However, this can be looked at in another way IMO. If a Buddhist wanted a cake made of Buddha with the swastika symbol on his chest or just the swastika should that bakery say no? The swastika meant a totally different thing before the Nazi's took the symbol over. How would one determine who wanted the symbol for the correct meaning or the polluted meaning given by Nazi's?

 

[Howey]

...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?

Comparing gays with Hitler?

Isn't that a teeny bit of a stretch, even for a fucking nutcase?

 

[The T]

...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?

Comparing gays with Hitler?

Isn't that a teeny bit of a stretch, even for a fucking nutcase?

GAY isn't a RACE...dumbass.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

nobody cares.......shop someplace else.

Those of us who care about equality care, and we're in the lead so you'll just have to deal with it.

EQUALITY is defined as HOW you choose to exercise your Liberty, and responsibly...NOT equal OUTCOME...that is where you Statists get all fucked in the head. YOU cannot guarantee equal outcome. ALL people are different, so HOW can YOU make that claim unless it is by FORCE of intrusive government?

WHY do YOU insist on government by force ensuring 'Equality of RESULT' whether WE like it or not?

It's our playing field and we are making it level, and letting everyone in the game, on an equal footing. The rest is up to you.

 

[hazlnut]

...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?

Comparing gays with Hitler?

Isn't that a teeny bit of a stretch, even for a fucking nutcase?

GAY isn't a RACE...dumbass.

Nazi isn't a sect of Christianity.

Smarty pants.

 

[kaz]

We do that here, at times, but that's no freedom eh? True freedom is Anarchy. I'm a fan of that either. Tell us, why are there limits on Free Speech? Doesn't that go against the Constitution?

NO. True FREEDOM is living your life and NOT depriving others of their liberty. YOU advocate depriving at the behest of government/political interest.

I deal in the real world, not Ayn Rand's fantasyland. Try it sometime.

In the "real world" we have to force Jews to serve Nazis? What real world purpose is served by that exactly?

 

[Katzndogz]

Guns? Those are almost never needed. No, we have City Hall, Zoning Boards, and a whole alphabet soup of State and Federal agencies to guide them towards a better future. Kicking and screaming if necessary.

^^Supporter of TYRANNY.

Common sense in this case. Laws make the place livable.

And really, stop being childish and thinking you can do whatever you want. It isn't true.

Oddly though, laws generally prevent actions not mandate actions. Now we have laws that provide punishment if someone decides NOT to attend a same sex wedding, no matter how much they object.

 

[kaz]

That's incorrect. It's based on the idea that societies get to set rules for those within said society.

The Founders would disagree with you.

No, they wouldn't. It's why they wrote a set of rules we still use called "The Constitution". Did you know it had no Bill of Rights at first? What were your rights then eh? None? All?

The Founders strictly limited government. Where exactly in the Constitution does it give government the authority to force people to do business with people they don't want to do business with?

 

[kaz]

We have those types around as well, we call them Law Enforcement. They help keep the peace and they enforce a lot of limitations on your freedoms BTW.

NO they enforce LAW...not limit FREEDOM you moron.

The cops find my Freedom to walk naked down the street less than amusing usually. I keep telling them I'm free and they keep telling me to put my hands behind my back.

Walking down the street naked affects other people. BTW, there is nothing in the Constitution that addresses walking down the street naked except to prevent the Federal government from getting involved in it either way. It's State or local law.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Comparing gays with Hitler?

Isn't that a teeny bit of a stretch, even for a fucking nutcase?

GAY isn't a RACE...dumbass.

Nazi isn't a sect of Christianity.

Smarty pants.

no it's a part big government socialism........

 

[Clementine]

Should a Jewish Bakery Have the Right to Deny...
...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross?

No...

Some just don't believe in any religious freedom for non-Muslims.

Muslims refuse to handle pork and yet don't lose their jobs. And the Muslim students refuse to acknowledge or discuss the Holocaust in school. And they have don't to participate in Obamacare because they claim their religion calls it gambling.

The left is bitching about cake and remaining silent on gays being beheaded and women being mistreated and sometimes killed. Either you are a liberal who is following orders without thought or you are a fucking radical Muslim.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

And again. . . .

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/339196-what-gives-us-the-right-35.html#post8684457

 

[kaz]

Are you 11-years-old by chance? And yes, we do. Buy some property and find out. And remember to pay your taxes, those come with the property.

And if people don't do with their business what you want them to, then you support government using guns to force them to do it. But only because you're a liberal who believes in freedom...

Guns? Those are almost never needed. No, we have City Hall, Zoning Boards, and a whole alphabet soup of State and Federal agencies to guide them towards a better future. Kicking and screaming if necessary.

OK, so don't follow those laws, refuse to go with the cops when they come to get you and then you will see the guns. Obviously it's the force of guns that force you to do it.

I'm sure the mafia loves you. When they send letters to local merchants offering insurance to protect their businesses, you don't think they were threatened because the merchants pay and they never see the guns...

You're a liberal, LOL. You're a Stateist.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Should a Jewish Bakery Have the Right to Deny...
...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross?

No...

Yes, they should. Hatred, in any form, is not accepted.

Oh? And so the hatred of evil is acceptable or unacceptable? Which is it? Another irrational relativist utters something stupid. Right in this case, but for no discernibly coherent reason. A purely accidental event. LOL!

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Why do do the Christians only choose to deny services to only homersexuals and not other people that are sinners???

Do you expect them to require their patrons to fill out a questionaire on their life story?

I expect them to have the right to refuse any customer they choose.

Nincompoop, the Arizona bill does not permit anyone to deny service on the basis of sexual orientation.

The bill merely allows that persons may lawfully decline service based on moral/religious grounds relative to the kind of service requested. In other words, no forcing orthodox Christians or Jews, for example, in violation of their religious convictions and, therefore, in violation of their natural and constitutional rights, to produce expressions that are morally anathema to them, to participate in pagan rituals that are morally anathema to them, to allow persons on their property to engage in behavior that is morally anathema to them and so on, an already well-established principle in case law that homofascists are trying to overthrow.

Lord, save the Republic from these morons.

Only the morally or mentally insane--for example, homofascist thugs--would fail to understand or pretend not to understand why one would have the right to refuse service on those grounds in our constitutional Republican.

The law asserts nothing new, but has become necessary in order to stave off rapacious litigation based on laws that should have never been passed in the first place or challenges to religious liberties that should have never been heard by any court in the land in the first place.

Welcome to the real motive behind the homofascist agenda of marriage and “tolerance.” Or does anyone actually believe that these thugs would tolerate behavior on their property that offended their moral sensibilities, such as they are, or would tolerate being compelled to engage in behavior that offended them?

The law protects us all.

Does a Christian or a Jew have to participate in Nazi rallies or weddings? Take photos? Serve cakes and other goodies?

Let’s send skinheads over to the homofascist-owned businesses in our communities.

We’d hear the squeals and screams for miles. Yeah. They’d learn the necessity of free association, the importance of property rights and individual liberty in a hurry. But of course they already know all that.

Check out what these tolerant dears do when Christians peacefully exercise their First Amendment rights on the public sidewalks and thoroughfares owned by everyone.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcKJEHrvwDI]Gay Marriage Mob Violently Attacks Elderly Woman - YouTube[/ame]

This footage begins after the Christians were physically assaulted and before the police arrived to protect them. One homofascist objects to the cops stopping him from continuing to follow the Christians “on the public sidewalk” Another calls these Christians cowards. Zoom! Right over their bullying heads.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI9ckQ6494k#aid=P8t5KBguhgg]Gay's Attack Christians in Seattle - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Xb-au-wpU]Castro District Gays Attack A Christian Missionary - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuqXiHzZtk]Christians Assaulted in San Francisco - YouTube[/ame]

Check out what homofascists are doing in England against private educational concerns.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84OeMfeVijA]Christian Schools Under Attack for Not Promoting Homosexuality as Normal - YouTube[/ame]

Check out what homofascists do on private property.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZJvMzSKmKA]Gay Anarchists Disrupt Church Service - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llIOdgOZLF4]Homosexual activists terrorize Boston church - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yXaPFwBdkA&list=PLE6AF0BE0B532ECC3]Bash Back - Gay AntiChristian Terrorists - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZJvMzSKmKA]Gay Anarchists Disrupt Church Service - YouTube[/ame]

Argentina: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77t3vbidB0w]Feminists attackssss Argentina cathedral - YouTube[/ame]

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