Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

[OldLady]

My first and biggest choice is to stop calling them foreign invaders.
The UN is going to help sort 'em out and determine if they qualify for asylum, which the vast majority of applicants do NOT. If our immigration system does not have the capacity to process all the applicants it has, then improve or change the system to meet the problem, instead of talking about shooting them, for heaven's sake.

 

[OldLady]

Your own words and attitudes show you are either a liar or hypocrite! Pick whichever one fits your M.O., lace that puppy up and wear it with pride!

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Angry much? Life is not a dichotomy youngster. There is a whole world of gray between partisans like yourself.

Angry? Not at all. Perhaps if you could read and write, you might understand my comments better.

For example, you used the word "between", which that you must be making a comparison of two positions, yet only have one

You cannot be "between" yourself.

Youngster? I have children older than you!

You apparently made a mistake leaving the teaching profession. Get back into the classroom and leave us alone.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My first and biggest choice is to stop calling them foreign invaders.
The UN is going to help sort 'em out and determine if they qualify for asylum, which the vast majority of applicants do NOT. If our immigration system does not have the capacity to process all the applicants it has, then improve or change the system to meet the problem, instead of talking about shooting them, for heaven's sake.

WTF does the UN have to do with anything?

I swear, you get dumber by the hour!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Your own words and attitudes show you are either a liar or hypocrite! Pick whichever one fits your M.O., lace that puppy up and wear it with pride!

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Angry much? Life is not a dichotomy youngster. There is a whole world of gray between partisans like yourself.

Angry? Not at all. Perhaps if you could read and write, you might understand my comments better.

For example, you used the word "between", which that you must be making a comparison of two positions, yet only have one

You cannot be "between" yourself.

Youngster? I have children older than you!

You apparently made a mistake leaving the teaching profession. Get back into the classroom and leave us alone.

Was I talking to you? PMS much?

 

[Windparadox]

Was I talking to you? PMS much?

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Isn't he such a delightful young lad.

 

[danielpalos]

we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause;

our Commerce Clause applies whenever the right is too frivolous in public venues to enact real times of War tax rates under our more Objective, form of capitalism. We should get what we pay for under Capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

Was I talking to you? PMS much?

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Isn't he such a delightful young lad.

if women believed more in equality and equal rights; you all could be claiming; don't worry, i love breaking in the new guys.

 

[protectionist]

Shooting refugees sounds like something a chickenshit POS would do.

Trump said he would send troops to guard the border being too fucking stopid to know he can't do that.

You are too stupid to not know that these people are not refugees, and that certainly Trump can send troops to guard the border, as he already has done, and so did Bush (2006) and Obama (2010).

 

[RealDave]

Shooting refugees sounds like something a chickenshit POS would do.

Trump said he would send troops to guard the border being too fucking stopid to know he can't do that.

You are too stupid to not know that these people are not refugees, and that certainly Trump can send troops to guard the border, as he already has done, and so did Bush (2006) and Obama (2010).

You are a fucking asshole if you don't know they are escaping violence in their homeland.

Federal law prohibits military personnel from conducting law enforcement duties on U.S. soil, with exceptions for military bases and related properties.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If democrats win the borders will fall completely and there will be no controls at all. ICE will be abolished.

That's the decision Americans have to make.

 

[protectionist]

There may be no need for the National Guard, federal troops, Mexican troops, or any people at all to stop the caravan. That task may be accomplished now by mother nature.

A hurricane is gathering strength in the Pacific off the Mexican west coast, and it's headed for what would be the path of the caravan. It's rapidly gaining force off Mexico's Pacific coast, and forecasters say it could reach Category 4 status before hitting land by midweek, along a stretch of shore between Puerto Vallarta and Mazatlan.

Hurricane Willa was about 240 miles (390 kilometers) southwest of the port city of Manzanillo early Sunday with maximum sustained winds of 85 mph (140 kph).

The U.S. National Hurricane Center says Willa could become a major hurricane by Monday morning and near the coast by Tuesday night.

 

[RealDave]

If democrats win the borders will fall completely and there will be no controls at all. ICE will be abolished.



That's the decision Americans have to make.

\Decide whether to waste billions ( borrowed money) to build a 30' wall that will do little to stop anything.

Funny chit asshole but we had border patrol & fences built when Democrats ran the White House.

You're just pissed off because no one except you duped Trumpettes want to spend billions on a 30' wall.

Ive would be replaced.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

God willing a hurricane wipes them out.

 

[protectionist]

You are a fucking asshole if you don't know they are escaping violence in their homeland.

Federal law prohibits military personnel from conducting law enforcement duties on U.S. soil, with exceptions for military bases and related properties.

Here's your free education on the caravan >>

1. If they just wanted refuge from violence, they could/would go to countries with lower crime (esp. homicide) rates than the US, of which there are quite a few, and closer to them than the US.

They have even openly stated that their reason for coming here, is economic not refuge from crime. Plus, the Central American countries with the highest crime rates (El Salvador and Belize) are not in the caravan. It is made up of Hondurans and Guatemalans. This was already posted further back in the thread.

2. Federal law (Posse Comitatus) does NOT prohibit Army National Guard, Air National Guard, and Coast Guard military personnel from conducting law enforcement duties U.S. soil. There is also a long list of Exclusions from the Posse Comitatus law, which were posted at least twice in this thread already.

Exclusions and limitations[edit]
There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

• Army and Air National Guard units and state defense forces while under the authority of the governor of a state.
• Federal armed forces used in accordance to the Insurrection Act, as was the case of the 1st Marine Division and 7th Infantry Division being sent to curtail the 1992 Los Angeles riots.
• Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if domestic law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness. The only exemption is the deployment of nuclear materials on the part of the United States Armed Forces.
• Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command.
• Enforcement of federal law at the discretion of the President of the United States, such as with the 101st Airborne Division by President Dwight D. Eisenhower to integrate Little Rock Central High School in 1957.
• Provide surveillance, intelligence gathering, observation, and equipment for domestic law enforcement on operations such as drug interdiction and counter-terrorism missions.

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia

 

[Windparadox]

There may be no need for the National Guard, federal troops, Mexican troops, or any people at all to stop the caravan. That task may be accomplished now by mother nature.<snip>

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So sorry. As these people are mainly on foot, they'll never reach the hurricane on time. Your inhuman and immoral death wish for these people will not happen.

 

[protectionist]

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So sorry. As these people are mainly on foot, they'll never reach the hurricane on time. Your inhuman and immoral death wish for these people will not happen.

I didn't say I wished it for them. YOU said that.

 

[danielpalos]

If democrats win the borders will fall completely and there will be no controls at all. ICE will be abolished.

That's the decision Americans have to make.

we get to be the Good capitalists and make money from border policy.

 

[danielpalos]

God willing a hurricane wipes them out.

right wing moral fantasy?

 

[Windparadox]

I didn't say I wished it for them. YOU said that.

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True enough. It wasn't you who said; "God willing a hurricane wipes them out."

 

[Wry Catcher]

Consider the premise that the NG has a moral obligation to shoot to kill women and children for a commission of a misdemeanor, illegal entry across our border.

Not only will such an action be condemned by the United Nations, but for those alive and in college when the murder of innocent students at Kent St., will remember the response in the streets across our nation.

It is about time to put a pin in the harsh rhetoric, and seek peaceful and pragmatic solutions to poverty and crime in Central America. It will be less costly in terms of blood and treasure to do so, sadly it has become a political mission by Trump to change the discussion from Russia and the Blue Wave to (one again) hate and fear mongering.