Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.
No one forced them out. They left by choice.
It is my prayer that their choice was not one of if they stayed, firing squad. If they left, no firing squad. :eusa_pray:
Who really knows right ? And those firing squads can come in many different forms be it direct, indirect, economic, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, religious persecution, who knows really ?
 
There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.
No one forced them out. They left by choice.
Don't be stupid... Force isn't always at the end of a barrel. There are many ways to cause your citizens to leave, and we are smart enough to realize what those reasons are, and to work to counter those reasons quickly. Now quit making fools of yourselves over the issue. You are playing right into the Demon-crats hands.

When I left my last job, there were causes. However, it wasn't by force. It was by choice.

You're the one playing into the hands of the Democrats. You've become a bleeding heart.
 
There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.
No one forced them out. They left by choice.
It is my prayer that their choice was not one of if they stayed, firing squad. If they left, no firing squad. :eusa_pray:
Who really knows right ? And those firing squads can come in many different forms be it direct, indirect, economic, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, religious persecution, who knows really ?

Who gives a shit?
 
When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading
? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?
From what I have heard he is sending regular troops not the guard. Wise imo since the governor's command their respective troops.
 
Troops actions are limited; they can try to restrict access, detain and turn over to border patrol personnel, but that's about it. If I were a dictator, I wouldn't waste large amounts of troops on the border, but rather, have the border heavily land-mined, with a few back-up troops. After the invading horde lost a few to land-mines, they would turn back; those that didn't turn back could be dissuaded with other forms of violence.
Maybe you never served in the Army National Guard. I did, and received training there for 6 years. The troops actions are limited to completing the mission of stopping the invasion. If that means turning the invasion into a bloodbath, that is exactly what will happen, with whatever means Guard officers decide is necessary to complete the mission successfully. Period.
 
All who are here calling for shooting instead of being at the border are simply cowards.
No they're not. They have the right to express their opinions, without being called a coward. You are the coward, hiding behind a computer terminal, while engaging in name -calling. I served 6 years in the Army, and you ?
 
Yes he is. He's a right wing, fear-mongering prick.
I call out fear where there is reason to fear. One of the biggest problem with leftist screwballs, is that they pretend there is nothing to fear, when there certainly is.

Partially, this is caused by their liberal OMISSION media, which withholds huge amounts of information from them, making them the most information-deprived people in America.
 
Have you, shit for brains?

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no, they aren't. they are Persons. We should insist capitalists solve capital problems before they become Government problems.

Not my fault you're too stupid to understand a simple definition. Are you one of those below average , 85 IQ blacks?
there is no invasion. a multitude is not an invasion.

where is the call for Invasion Tax Rates to prove the Right Wing is not merely frivolous with the Other Peoples' tax money and not merely indulging "chicken little-ism".

Their actions make it an invasion. Has nothing to do with the number.

I have no problem helping fund the bullets that go to fulfill the responsibility of repelling invaders.
you can't be serious with tax cut economics; why waste everyone's time.

Still trying to get things others are forced to pay for? You should be ashamed.
the right wing wants, "free" wars on crime, drugs, and terror with tax cut economics.
 
There should be no hatred towards unarmed people in flight from a country that has forced them out due to being corrupt or tyrannical. That's where the fight should be directed towards, and not towards those who run from the situations down there.

I am for military action against a bad government who has created these tragic messes.
No one forced them out. They left by choice.
Don't be stupid... Force isn't always at the end of a barrel. There are many ways to cause your citizens to leave, and we are smart enough to realize what those reasons are, and to work to counter those reasons quickly. Now quit making fools of yourselves over the issue. You are playing right into the Demon-crats hands.

When I left my last job, there were causes. However, it wasn't by force. It was by choice.

You're the one playing into the hands of the Democrats. You've become a bleeding heart.
Bleeding hearts for who, innocent women and children ?? Yes indeedy, but for Demon-crats (?) nope not me. The men in the caravan should be separated from the women and children upon arrival, held in processing camps in which their sole purpose is to deport them back to their home countries with their families upon reunification.

During the processing, they will be put on a list (if they have clean records), and they will give as best available contact information that they can give for future consideration to then come back and work here if needed.
 
Once the border camps are built, and the women and children are safe once separated from the men, then the processing and deportation can begin for all involved.

In the mean time, we should be using our Intel/CIA to assess the situations that exist in their home countries, and work to end those situations by crushing their bad governments if they are responsible for the exodus of their people's in this way.
Government has all solutions not Capitalists or capitalism.
 
No, we should apprehend the men and detain them in makeshift border camps to be constructed along the border, and take the women and children into custody for their protection until send them back to their countries hopefully with their husbands, brothers or father's after processing is done on the border. No one is to be allowed into the interior of the country accept women and their children temporarily.
That doesn't disagree with what I've said. Shooting the invaders is only if they charge in with so much force, and in so many massive numbers, that they can't be stopped IN ANY OTHER WAY.

The methodology should be to geared to protection of the American people and the nation, not the comfort of the invaders.
 
When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading
? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?
My prayer is that those who have joined the caravaners and increased their original numbers fourfold are not militia who now have them as their captives. :eusa_pray:
If they are, it puts a burden on our National Guard to be perfect marksmen able to determine at a glance militia from civilians who now may be being herded instead of shepherded. Mexico is not confronting this issue and have not reimbursed us for dumping its own criminals onto our soil so they will skip on the expense it is to incarcerate hardened and serial criminals. It's only right they should be a good neighbor and stop this conspiracy fomenting within their borders before this particular caravan reaches our border.
Mexico should be held accountable for their hands in this. Trade sanctions should be immediate.
Who needs Capitalism when we have Government!
 

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