Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Jarlaxle]

Uh, yeah. Too bad you're the only one who missed it..

No, I didn't...but you certainly did! Once more for the slow kid: someone in favor of gay marriage does not equate to someone in favor of forcing churches to marry gays! Keep rereading that until it sinks in!

If you are for legal gay marriage...why would you oppose having any church performing it?

Look at the turnout Jake...impressive...

I will give you one hundred trillion dollars if you can point to ONE POST where I opposed having a church perform a gay marriage! Ready...go to it!

 

[GISMYS]

Gay"marrage" is not marrage,it is an ABOMINATION OF SICK MINDED SEXUAL PERVERSION!!! count the cost=HELL!!

 

[Silhouette]

No, I didn't...but you certainly did! Once more for the slow kid: someone in favor of gay marriage does not equate to someone in favor of forcing churches to marry gays! Keep rereading that until it sinks in!

If you are for legal gay marriage...why would you oppose having any church performing it?

Look at the turnout Jake...impressive...

I will give you one hundred trillion dollars if you can point to ONE POST where I opposed having a church perform a gay marriage! Ready...go to it!

OK, playing dumb I see. Let me rephrase that in more generic terms:

"If a person is for gay marriage...why would they oppose having any church performing it?"

Better? Now answer.

 

[RKMBrown]

If you are for legal gay marriage...why would you oppose having any church performing it?

Look at the turnout Jake...impressive...

I will give you one hundred trillion dollars if you can point to ONE POST where I opposed having a church perform a gay marriage! Ready...go to it!

OK, playing dumb I see. Let me rephrase that in more generic terms:

"If a person is for gay marriage...why would they oppose having any church performing it?"

Better? Now answer.

Why do you insist on being such a retarded troll?

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

There is no scripture that says interracial relationships are "okay". It can be argued that there are no passages in the bible that refer to loving, consensual same sex relationships AT ALL.

It can also be argued that there are "pro gay" passages. Here's number one.

"For God so loved the World that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life"

But there's more:

Matthew 5:22, Matthew 8:5-13/Luke 7:1-10
Ruth, I and II Samuel, The Song of Songs,
Daniel 1, Isaiah 56, Acts 8

John 3:16 is relevant to everyone, all sinners, murderers, thieves, rapists, adulterers, liars and homosexuals along with everyone else who sins, which is everyone.

It does NOT condone homosexuality, just as it does not condone adultery, murder or anything else you can think of.

Guess what, I checked my bible and it doesn't say that you are the final authority on interpretation.

How interesting that you completely ignore all the points I have made in regards to your religious text and interracial marriage and focus, again, on YOUR interpretation. The anti miscegenationists used the same bible you are using to justify their bigotry. I think you're BOTH wrong in your interpretations.

Being gay is nothing like committing adultery, murder or "anything else you can think of", except heterosexuality.

If you believed in the Bible, you would capitalize the word 'Bible'. I am not the final authority on anything, I am just a Christian. Here is what the Bible says:

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.…

Adultery and Murder, same to God, homosexual acts, are also the same as those listed. Being a homosexual is NO sin, acting on homosexual impulses, is a sin, same as watching pornography, committing adultery, lying, stealing, and hundreds of other things that humans do which are not morally right, and not right in the eyes of God.

Matthew 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

"deviant sexual behavior practitioner"

You are the sole reason I fight for the rights of all people, gay people included.
You are a damn hypocrit.
Tens of millions of heterosexuals practice deviant sexual behavior every day and you are no where to be found opposing their right to marry.

Because you hate and despise gay people and do not have the guts to admit it.

I think 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' sums it up pretty well. I have no problem telling a heterosexual that goes out looking for a different partner every night that they are a 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' as well. As is anyone who commits adultery, has anal sex, and even oral sex, hetero or homosexual matters little to me, they are all 'deviant sexual behavior practitioners.'

Dude...you need to get out more! I get it: you are horrified by the thought that someone, somewhere, somehow, might be having fun!

As far as their right to marry goes, my belief is that they are the ones driving the divorce numbers. Problem is you can't ask someone if they are a 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' before issuing a marriage license. However, most preachers, ministers, and pastors will not marry anyone of any sex before having a nice sit down with those people. Now a days, that includes many that have to have a class before getting married, instructed by the religious leader. That class can make a difference of around 60 dollars in the marriage license.

None of that is required...my wife and I didn't have to sit through any classes or lectures, just filled out some paperwork. (We were married by a judge.)

I get out plenty. I can go out and have fun, without ever taking a drink of alcohol, without having to use swear words and put down other people, and without having to have sex.

I have a real life, apart from the computer. How many on here can say the same thing? Can you?

 

[Seawytch]

I will give you one hundred trillion dollars if you can point to ONE POST where I opposed having a church perform a gay marriage! Ready...go to it!

OK, playing dumb I see. Let me rephrase that in more generic terms:

"If a person is for gay marriage...why would they oppose having any church performing it?"

Better? Now answer.

Why do you insist on being such a retarded troll?

Hey, it's a niche!

Seriously though, I'm thankful for the Silhouettes, GreenBeans, Warwulfs, etc. Their extremism actually helps the struggle for gay and lesbian equality. Most people think "geez, I don't wan to be THAT guy".

 

[Seawytch]

John 3:16 is relevant to everyone, all sinners, murderers, thieves, rapists, adulterers, liars and homosexuals along with everyone else who sins, which is everyone.

It does NOT condone homosexuality, just as it does not condone adultery, murder or anything else you can think of.

Guess what, I checked my bible and it doesn't say that you are the final authority on interpretation.

How interesting that you completely ignore all the points I have made in regards to your religious text and interracial marriage and focus, again, on YOUR interpretation. The anti miscegenationists used the same bible you are using to justify their bigotry. I think you're BOTH wrong in your interpretations.

Being gay is nothing like committing adultery, murder or "anything else you can think of", except heterosexuality.

If you believed in the Bible, you would capitalize the word 'Bible'. I am not the final authority on anything, I am just a Christian. Here is what the Bible says:

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.…

Adultery and Murder, same to God, homosexual acts, are also the same as those listed. Being a homosexual is NO sin, acting on homosexual impulses, is a sin, same as watching pornography, committing adultery, lying, stealing, and hundreds of other things that humans do which are not morally right, and not right in the eyes of God.

Matthew 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

See, there you go again, thinking you're the authority on the bible. Being gay as a "sin" is OT stuff like wearing clothing of mixed cloth, eating shellfish and cutting your beard is a "sin".

That feller Jesus? He was mum on the subject.

Again, you're sure you're right about those gays...just like anti-miscegenationists were sure they were right about interracial marriage.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion.

By marrying outside of your race, no matter what that race is, and then having children of mixed race, you destroy God's original design for your race. The offspring of interracial unions are no longer God's intended creation.

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

They had bible passages too.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

Guess what, I checked my bible and it doesn't say that you are the final authority on interpretation.

How interesting that you completely ignore all the points I have made in regards to your religious text and interracial marriage and focus, again, on YOUR interpretation. The anti miscegenationists used the same bible you are using to justify their bigotry. I think you're BOTH wrong in your interpretations.

Being gay is nothing like committing adultery, murder or "anything else you can think of", except heterosexuality.

If you believed in the Bible, you would capitalize the word 'Bible'. I am not the final authority on anything, I am just a Christian. Here is what the Bible says:

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.…

Adultery and Murder, same to God, homosexual acts, are also the same as those listed. Being a homosexual is NO sin, acting on homosexual impulses, is a sin, same as watching pornography, committing adultery, lying, stealing, and hundreds of other things that humans do which are not morally right, and not right in the eyes of God.

Matthew 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

See, there you go again, thinking you're the authority on the bible. Being gay as a "sin" is OT stuff like wearing clothing of mixed cloth, eating shellfish and cutting your beard is a "sin".

That feller Jesus? He was mum on the subject.

Again, you're sure you're right about those gays...just like anti-miscegenationists were sure they were right about interracial marriage.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion.

By marrying outside of your race, no matter what that race is, and then having children of mixed race, you destroy God's original design for your race. The offspring of interracial unions are no longer God's intended creation.

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

They had bible passages too.

I know you only read bits and pieces, so I'll make this short as possible.

James is NT, not OT. Race is not a choice, homosexuality is a choice. Being gay(not a sin) practicing homosexuality(is a sin).

I tried not to use words with to many sil-a-bulls for you. (Google syllables)

 

[Seawytch]

If you believed in the Bible, you would capitalize the word 'Bible'. I am not the final authority on anything, I am just a Christian. Here is what the Bible says:

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.…

Adultery and Murder, same to God, homosexual acts, are also the same as those listed. Being a homosexual is NO sin, acting on homosexual impulses, is a sin, same as watching pornography, committing adultery, lying, stealing, and hundreds of other things that humans do which are not morally right, and not right in the eyes of God.

Matthew 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

See, there you go again, thinking you're the authority on the bible. Being gay as a "sin" is OT stuff like wearing clothing of mixed cloth, eating shellfish and cutting your beard is a "sin".

That feller Jesus? He was mum on the subject.

Again, you're sure you're right about those gays...just like anti-miscegenationists were sure they were right about interracial marriage.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion.

By marrying outside of your race, no matter what that race is, and then having children of mixed race, you destroy God's original design for your race. The offspring of interracial unions are no longer God's intended creation.

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

They had bible passages too.

I know you only read bits and pieces, so I'll make this short as possible.

James is NT, not OT. Race is not a choice, homosexuality is a choice. Being gay(not a sin) practicing homosexuality(is a sin).

I tried not to use words with to many sil-a-bulls for you. (Google syllables)

It's interesting that you keep dancing around the points to focus on the irrelevant. You interpret the bible to be gay=bad. People used to interpret the bible to be interracial=bad (some still do). Both have bible passages to justify their bigotry.


Jesus would not be happy to know that ya'll are using the bible to justify anything. (Paul wasn't talking about loving consenting adult gays)

 

[GISMYS]

See, there you go again, thinking you're the authority on the bible. Being gay as a "sin" is OT stuff like wearing clothing of mixed cloth, eating shellfish and cutting your beard is a "sin".

That feller Jesus? He was mum on the subject.

Again, you're sure you're right about those gays...just like anti-miscegenationists were sure they were right about interracial marriage.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion.

By marrying outside of your race, no matter what that race is, and then having children of mixed race, you destroy God's original design for your race. The offspring of interracial unions are no longer God's intended creation.

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

They had bible passages too.

I know you only read bits and pieces, so I'll make this short as possible.

James is NT, not OT. Race is not a choice, homosexuality is a choice. Being gay(not a sin) practicing homosexuality(is a sin).

I tried not to use words with to many sil-a-bulls for you. (Google syllables)

It's interesting that you keep dancing around the points to focus on the irrelevant. You interpret the bible to be gay=bad. People used to interpret the bible to be interracial=bad (some still do). Both have bible passages to justify their bigotry.


Jesus would not be happy to know that ya'll are using the bible to justify anything. (Paul wasn't talking about loving consenting adult gays)

BELIEVE GOD'S WORD==God let go of them and let them do all these evil things, so that even their women turned against God’s natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sex relationships with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men and, as a result, getting paid within their own souls with the penalty they so richly deserved.Romans 1:26-27

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

See, there you go again, thinking you're the authority on the bible. Being gay as a "sin" is OT stuff like wearing clothing of mixed cloth, eating shellfish and cutting your beard is a "sin".

That feller Jesus? He was mum on the subject.

Again, you're sure you're right about those gays...just like anti-miscegenationists were sure they were right about interracial marriage.

Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion.

By marrying outside of your race, no matter what that race is, and then having children of mixed race, you destroy God's original design for your race. The offspring of interracial unions are no longer God's intended creation.

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

They had bible passages too.

I know you only read bits and pieces, so I'll make this short as possible.

James is NT, not OT. Race is not a choice, homosexuality is a choice. Being gay(not a sin) practicing homosexuality(is a sin).

I tried not to use words with to many sil-a-bulls for you. (Google syllables)

It's interesting that you keep dancing around the points to focus on the irrelevant. You interpret the bible to be gay=bad. People used to interpret the bible to be interracial=bad (some still do). Both have bible passages to justify their bigotry.


Jesus would not be happy to know that ya'll are using the bible to justify anything. (Paul wasn't talking about loving consenting adult gays)

Paul was talking about sin, period. Homosexual acts are a sin, period. Nowhere in the Bible is a city destroyed for condoning interracial relations, but, two were destroyed for condoning homosexual acts. Spin that any way you like, sin is still sin.

 

[Seawytch]

I know you only read bits and pieces, so I'll make this short as possible.

James is NT, not OT. Race is not a choice, homosexuality is a choice. Being gay(not a sin) practicing homosexuality(is a sin).

I tried not to use words with to many sil-a-bulls for you. (Google syllables)

It's interesting that you keep dancing around the points to focus on the irrelevant. You interpret the bible to be gay=bad. People used to interpret the bible to be interracial=bad (some still do). Both have bible passages to justify their bigotry.


Jesus would not be happy to know that ya'll are using the bible to justify anything. (Paul wasn't talking about loving consenting adult gays)

Paul was talking about sin, period. Homosexual acts are a sin, period. Nowhere in the Bible is a city destroyed for condoning interracial relations, but, two were destroyed for condoning homosexual acts. Spin that any way you like, sin is still sin.

There you go again, focusing on the irrelevant and ignoring the points. Yes, we get it, you believe the bible is gay=bad. A lot of people don't. Some people think the bible says interracial=bad. Both are wrong.

No city was destroyed because of loving consensual same sex relations. In-hospitality was their undoing.

“As I live, saith the LORD GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, [Inhospitality] neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” -Ezekiel 16:48-50

 

[GISMYS]

GOD'S WORD ON THE ABOMINATION OF SEXUAL PERVERSION=== THOSE THAT REJECT GOD AND LOVE SIN God let go of them and let them do all these evil things, so that even their women turned against God’s natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sex relationships with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men and, as a result, getting paid within their own souls with the penalty they so richly deserved.Romans 1:26-27

 

[Gadawg73]

What do the two have to do with one another? One is a deviant sexual behavior practitioner. The other was born of a race of people.

"deviant sexual behavior practitioner"

You are the sole reason I fight for the rights of all people, gay people included.
You are a damn hypocrit.
Tens of millions of heterosexuals practice deviant sexual behavior every day and you are no where to be found opposing their right to marry.

Because you hate and despise gay people and do not have the guts to admit it.

I think 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' sums it up pretty well. I have no problem telling a heterosexual that goes out looking for a different partner every night that they are a 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' as well. As is anyone who commits adultery, has anal sex, and even oral sex, hetero or homosexual matters little to me, they are all 'deviant sexual behavior practitioners.'

As far as their right to marry goes, my belief is that they are the ones driving the divorce numbers. Problem is you can't ask someone if they are a 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' before issuing a marriage license. However, most preachers, ministers, and pastors will not marry anyone of any sex before having a nice sit down with those people. Now a days, that includes many that have to have a class before getting married, instructed by the religious leader. That class can make a difference of around 60 dollars in the marriage license.

I am talking about married heterosexuals that practice "deviant sexual behavior" like men fucking their wives in the ass, bondage, whatever.
Goes on all the time, never been my thing, but it goes on between MARRIED AND NON MARRIED heterosexuals.
And you folks single out ONLY gay folk.

 

[GISMYS]

Each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God. there is no love or honor in "deviant sexual behavior" that is perverse lust=living lower than a animal!!!

 

[Gadawg73]

Each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God. there is no love or honor in "deviant sexual behavior" that is perverse lust=living lower than a animal!!!

You need to go do some charity work to help blind people in your local Lions's Club, help build homes for the needy in Habitat for Humanity and work the food drive at the MUST ministry to feed the hungry dude.
You are one fucked up human sticking your nose in the private sexual lives of others.
Govern yourself accordingly.

 

[GISMYS]

Each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God. there is no love or honor in "deviant sexual behavior" that is perverse lust=living lower than a animal!!!

You need to go do some charity work to help blind people in your local Lions's Club, help build homes for the needy in Habitat for Humanity and work the food drive at the MUST ministry to feed the hungry dude.
You are one fucked up human sticking your nose in the private sexual lives of others.
Govern yourself accordingly.

so you love your sick minded sexual perversion and HATE TRUTH!!! nothing new there!! JUST COUNT THE COST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God. there is no love or honor in "deviant sexual behavior" that is perverse lust=living lower than a animal!!!

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

It's interesting that you keep dancing around the points to focus on the irrelevant. You interpret the bible to be gay=bad. People used to interpret the bible to be interracial=bad (some still do). Both have bible passages to justify their bigotry.


Jesus would not be happy to know that ya'll are using the bible to justify anything. (Paul wasn't talking about loving consenting adult gays)

Paul was talking about sin, period. Homosexual acts are a sin, period. Nowhere in the Bible is a city destroyed for condoning interracial relations, but, two were destroyed for condoning homosexual acts. Spin that any way you like, sin is still sin.

There you go again, focusing on the irrelevant and ignoring the points. Yes, we get it, you believe the bible is gay=bad. A lot of people don't. Some people think the bible says interracial=bad. Both are wrong.

No city was destroyed because of loving consensual same sex relations. In-hospitality was their undoing.

“As I live, saith the LORD GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, [Inhospitality] neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination(homosexual acts) before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” -Ezekiel 16:48-50

Fixed that for you! Thank you for making my point.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

"deviant sexual behavior practitioner"

You are the sole reason I fight for the rights of all people, gay people included.
You are a damn hypocrit.
Tens of millions of heterosexuals practice deviant sexual behavior every day and you are no where to be found opposing their right to marry.

Because you hate and despise gay people and do not have the guts to admit it.

I think 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' sums it up pretty well. I have no problem telling a heterosexual that goes out looking for a different partner every night that they are a 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' as well. As is anyone who commits adultery, has anal sex, and even oral sex, hetero or homosexual matters little to me, they are all 'deviant sexual behavior practitioners.'

As far as their right to marry goes, my belief is that they are the ones driving the divorce numbers. Problem is you can't ask someone if they are a 'deviant sexual behavior practitioner' before issuing a marriage license. However, most preachers, ministers, and pastors will not marry anyone of any sex before having a nice sit down with those people. Now a days, that includes many that have to have a class before getting married, instructed by the religious leader. That class can make a difference of around 60 dollars in the marriage license.

I am talking about married heterosexuals that practice "deviant sexual behavior" like men fucking their wives in the ass, bondage, whatever.
Goes on all the time, never been my thing, but it goes on between MARRIED AND NON MARRIED heterosexuals.
And you folks single out ONLY gay folk.

"you folks" can mean a lot of people, but it doesn't include me, in your comment. I single out people for all kinds of sins, just as I single myself out for my own sins.

Gay folk, as you call them, want to push their sins on the people, and pretend that homosexual acts are not a sin, they just don't like it when we push back. Same with drinkers, drug users and others.