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Electric fences can't even keep cows in, what makes you think humans won't be able to circumvent an electric fence? Rubber mat? Ground out the fence? Cut in a bypass? What could be easier than overcoming an unmanned fence?
Do you think illegals are capable of such sophisticated thinking? If you make the danger and risk to life and limb high enough, they wouldn't dare chance it, lest they'd prefer suicide. You can use sheet metal, not wire, that way all of the fence is electrified, you can install vibration sensors along the length as well, to detect such attempts to 'cut' through it. You can also install forward looking ground penetrating radar and infrared detection systems along the border also. You would also need small anti-Aircraft batteries for planes who refuse to identify themselves. You can have manned stations every 5 miles or so along the fence, with at minimum 630 checkpoints, with as many as 2000 agents with orders to fire warning shots upon sight, (and authorization to use deadly force after such warning is ignored) on patrol at all times. It isn't rocket science, buddy. Our politicians, and most certainly liberals are not capable of strategic thinking nowadays.
Well yeah, if we are willing to start shooting at anyone within a mile of the border then all bets are off. You could end the illegal immigration in a heartbeat that way. But if they know it's just a warning shot they will just adapt and ignore them. I don't think we are willing as a country to start shooting at laborers who are trying to cross the border illegally. Thus, because we are not willing to do so they can just line up and all cross at the same time. The ones that get caught can just turn around and try again the next night.
Just like the stupid gun laws that exist on the books and don't work, so to goes immigration. Build the dam fence already.
With Senate Vote, Congress Passes Border Fence Bill
Enforcement first, then deal with those here.
What say you
Didn't work for the E.Germans.
Just like the stupid gun laws that exist on the books and don't work, so to goes immigration. Build the dam fence already.
With Senate Vote, Congress Passes Border Fence Bill
Enforcement first, then deal with those here.
What say you
-Geaux
Do you think illegals are capable of such sophisticated thinking? If you make the danger and risk to life and limb high enough, they wouldn't dare chance it, lest they'd prefer suicide. You can use sheet metal, not wire, that way all of the fence is electrified, you can install vibration sensors along the length as well, to detect such attempts to 'cut' through it. You can also install forward looking ground penetrating radar and infrared detection systems along the border also. You would also need small anti-Aircraft batteries for planes who refuse to identify themselves. You can have manned stations every 5 miles or so along the fence, with at minimum 630 checkpoints, with as many as 2000 agents with orders to fire warning shots upon sight, (and authorization to use deadly force after such warning is ignored) on patrol at all times. It isn't rocket science, buddy. Our politicians, and most certainly liberals are not capable of strategic thinking nowadays.
Well yeah, if we are willing to start shooting at anyone within a mile of the border then all bets are off. You could end the illegal immigration in a heartbeat that way. But if they know it's just a warning shot they will just adapt and ignore them. I don't think we are willing as a country to start shooting at laborers who are trying to cross the border illegally. Thus, because we are not willing to do so they can just line up and all cross at the same time. The ones that get caught can just turn around and try again the next night.
LOL, true, but then again, we don't need illegal labor from Mexico, we need to use the people that are here in America legally. One warning shot, then shots that don't miss the next time. I was trying to be a bit humane there. We could have automated .50 caliber guns at strategic points along the border too, a part I left out by mistake.
Ahhhhh, but there's a big difference..."...Didn't work for the E.Germans."
Well yeah, if we are willing to start shooting at anyone within a mile of the border then all bets are off. You could end the illegal immigration in a heartbeat that way. But if they know it's just a warning shot they will just adapt and ignore them. I don't think we are willing as a country to start shooting at laborers who are trying to cross the border illegally. Thus, because we are not willing to do so they can just line up and all cross at the same time. The ones that get caught can just turn around and try again the next night.
LOL, true, but then again, we don't need illegal labor from Mexico, we need to use the people that are here in America legally. One warning shot, then shots that don't miss the next time. I was trying to be a bit humane there. We could have automated .50 caliber guns at strategic points along the border too, a part I left out by mistake.
The people that are here legally, all get paid to collect welfare and vote democrat. The legals who are here, just to work then go home, are few and far between these days. Especially since the greenies in California decided to close down most of American farming. Yes, we could easily close the border. Course most of our border has signs up that state the cartels are running the place. So pretending we are willing to man the border is really quite funnny. We might be willing to pay the mexicans to build and man the fence, but I doubt we'll find enough americans to do the work let alone find enough congressmen to do it or a president who will make the order.
LOL, true, but then again, we don't need illegal labor from Mexico, we need to use the people that are here in America legally. One warning shot, then shots that don't miss the next time. I was trying to be a bit humane there. We could have automated .50 caliber guns at strategic points along the border too, a part I left out by mistake.
The people that are here legally, all get paid to collect welfare and vote democrat. The legals who are here, just to work then go home, are few and far between these days. Especially since the greenies in California decided to close down most of American farming. Yes, we could easily close the border. Course most of our border has signs up that state the cartels are running the place. So pretending we are willing to man the border is really quite funnny. We might be willing to pay the mexicans to build and man the fence, but I doubt we'll find enough americans to do the work let alone find enough congressmen to do it or a president who will make the order.
Perhaps if we got rid of entitlement programs, for people who don't need them, perhaps we could find the manpower almost overnight. Desperation is a great motivator.
How do you know it won't work. Fences keep criminals in prison.
It will only work if the govt allows it to work. If the dems want to keep buying votes by letting illegals in and setting them up as fraudulent voters, then you are correct.
A fence works in a prison because there are armed guards placed in such a manner that they can see every part of the fence at all times. You are talking about a fence almost 2,000 miles long - most of it in some extremely isolated terrain. How do you propose seeing every part of it at all times?
You don't have to see every part of it at all times. That is the purpose of surveillance cameras, and quick response teams. The fence just slows them down enough for the border patrol to arrive and arrest them.
All others who come in on visas, should be issued a card with a locator chip, and with a requirement to have that card on their person at all times that they are out and about. If they overstay their visa, or do not comply with the intent of the visa, a computer will alert the immigration officials, and they will be able to locate and apprehend the visitor through the locator chip.
A double fence at all dry crossings, and a single fence at the river, supported by border patrol and national guard troops, will stop the flood, and as that wanes, the effort can be cut back to just the border patrol.
It's not a waste of money if you build the fence, for the entire southwestern border of the United States, and then electrify the whole thing. Problem solved.
Electric fences can't even keep cows in, what makes you think humans won't be able to circumvent an electric fence? Rubber mat? Ground out the fence? Cut in a bypass? What could be easier than overcoming an unmanned fence?
Do you think illegals are capable of such sophisticated thinking? If you make the danger and risk to life and limb high enough, they wouldn't dare chance it, lest they'd prefer suicide. You can use sheet metal, not wire, that way all of the fence is electrified, you can install vibration sensors along the length as well, to detect such attempts to 'cut' through it. You can also install forward looking ground penetrating radar and infrared detection systems along the border also. You would also need small anti-Aircraft batteries for planes who refuse to identify themselves. You can have manned stations every 5 miles or so along the fence, with at minimum 630 checkpoints, with as many as 2000 agents with orders to fire warning shots upon sight, (and authorization to use deadly force after such warning is ignored) on patrol at all times. It isn't rocket science, buddy. Our politicians, and most certainly liberals are not capable of strategic thinking nowadays.
Just like the stupid gun laws that exist on the books and don't work, so to goes immigration. Build the dam fence already.
With Senate Vote, Congress Passes Border Fence Bill
Enforcement first, then deal with those here.
What say you
-Geaux
Dems said if illegals were given amnesty they would secure the border.
They said that in the 80's, to Reagan.
They are far passed overdue for keeping their word.
"Immigrants for years have paid far more into Medicare's coffers than they have pulled out, effectively subsidizing rising healthcare payments to the aging U.S. population, a new study shows.
The analysis from Harvard Medical School showed immigrants generated a $13.8 billion surplus for the U.S. government healthcare program for the elderly in 2009, the most recent figures available.
From 2002 through 2009 immigrants posted a Medicare surplus of $115 billion, while the American-born population logged a deficit of $28 billion in contributions."
Immigrants add billions to Medicare, study finds - Vitals
The Harvard study, published in the June issue of Health Affairs, counters impressions that immigrants strain healthcare resources.
Cut the spending from somewhere else.. finish the fence.. commit to enforcing the existing laws.. improve the laws and immigration system to make it easier for those who do and have followed the rules... continue to look for improvement
"Immigrants for years have paid far more into Medicare's coffers than they have pulled out, effectively subsidizing rising healthcare payments to the aging U.S. population, a new study shows.
The analysis from Harvard Medical School showed immigrants generated a $13.8 billion surplus for the U.S. government healthcare program for the elderly in 2009, the most recent figures available.
From 2002 through 2009 immigrants posted a Medicare surplus of $115 billion, while the American-born population logged a deficit of $28 billion in contributions."
Immigrants add billions to Medicare, study finds - Vitals
The Harvard study, published in the June issue of Health Affairs, counters impressions that immigrants strain healthcare resources.
One of the reasons medicare is so expensive is that is has to subsidize the lines of illegals who show up at the hospitals for their "free" healthcare that was mandated by the Clinton administration.
Just like the stupid gun laws that exist on the books and don't work, so to goes immigration. Build the dam fence already.
With Senate Vote, Congress Passes Border Fence Bill
Enforcement first, then deal with those here.
What say you
-Geaux
"Immigrants for years have paid far more into Medicare's coffers than they have pulled out, effectively subsidizing rising healthcare payments to the aging U.S. population, a new study shows.
The analysis from Harvard Medical School showed immigrants generated a $13.8 billion surplus for the U.S. government healthcare program for the elderly in 2009, the most recent figures available.
From 2002 through 2009 immigrants posted a Medicare surplus of $115 billion, while the American-born population logged a deficit of $28 billion in contributions."
Immigrants add billions to Medicare, study finds - Vitals
The Harvard study, published in the June issue of Health Affairs, counters impressions that immigrants strain healthcare resources.
One of the reasons medicare is so expensive is that is has to subsidize the lines of illegals who show up at the hospitals for their "free" healthcare that was mandated by the Clinton administration.
Interesting but I don't hardly think a large portion of illegal immigrates would qualify age wise for Medicare. Now if were referring to Medicaid you may be right.
Electric fences can't even keep cows in, what makes you think humans won't be able to circumvent an electric fence? Rubber mat? Ground out the fence? Cut in a bypass? What could be easier than overcoming an unmanned fence?
Do you think illegals are capable of such sophisticated thinking? If you make the danger and risk to life and limb high enough, they wouldn't dare chance it, lest they'd prefer suicide. You can use sheet metal, not wire, that way all of the fence is electrified, you can install vibration sensors along the length as well, to detect such attempts to 'cut' through it. You can also install forward looking ground penetrating radar and infrared detection systems along the border also. You would also need small anti-Aircraft batteries for planes who refuse to identify themselves. You can have manned stations every 5 miles or so along the fence, with at minimum 630 checkpoints, with as many as 2000 agents with orders to fire warning shots upon sight, (and authorization to use deadly force after such warning is ignored) on patrol at all times. It isn't rocket science, buddy. Our politicians, and most certainly liberals are not capable of strategic thinking nowadays.
You want to give your government the authority to shoot to kill people suspected of committing a misdemeanor, without a trial?
Damn! I thought that the Right was afraid of our government!
One of the reasons medicare is so expensive is that is has to subsidize the lines of illegals who show up at the hospitals for their "free" healthcare that was mandated by the Clinton administration.
Interesting but I don't hardly think a large portion of illegal immigrates would qualify age wise for Medicare. Now if were referring to Medicaid you may be right.
You may have missed the point. Hospitals are forced by law to "cover" the care for the illegals. The illegals know this so they just say sorry no money it's free for me. The hospitals then have two choices. 1) go out of business or 2) pass the cost of the "free" care to the paying customers. The paying customers include the folks on medicare, cash paying customers, and private insurance carrying customers.
Talk to someone who works for a hospital in one of the high pop areas for illegals. The number of "free" customers can easily out number the number of paying customers. You want to know why it is expensive? Well one reason is because you have to foot the bill for the folks that are getting it free.
"Immigrants for years have paid far more into Medicare's coffers than they have pulled out, effectively subsidizing rising healthcare payments to the aging U.S. population, a new study shows.
The analysis from Harvard Medical School showed immigrants generated a $13.8 billion surplus for the U.S. government healthcare program for the elderly in 2009, the most recent figures available.
From 2002 through 2009 immigrants posted a Medicare surplus of $115 billion, while the American-born population logged a deficit of $28 billion in contributions."
Immigrants add billions to Medicare, study finds - Vitals
The Harvard study, published in the June issue of Health Affairs, counters impressions that immigrants strain healthcare resources.
One of the reasons medicare is so expensive is that is has to subsidize the lines of illegals who show up at the hospitals for their "free" healthcare that was mandated by the Clinton administration.
