Should Democrats be given 30 million new voters ?

[bripat9643]

If people migrating to this country are so turned off by your party maybe you should as yourselves why.

Democrats.....the Party of Handouts......what poor person wouldn't vote for them.....?

Only a republican would call a request for fair wages, and the right of healthcare and education (like the rest of the civilized world) a request for a handout. Idiots.

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

False.

Totally accurate.

 

[bripat9643]

A fence built by Mexican day labor for the lowest bid?
Yeah that will do it!

Ah, which side of the fence will those day laborers be building? The Mexican or US side?......Who knows, maybe the Chinese will come in with the lowest bid for the fence....while those Mexican day laborers concentrate on the digging of tunnels(under that fence.)

Trump said wall! So it is going to crumble where those tunnels are. The idea of 'sapping' has been around for 2 or 3 millenniums now. And, you just can't fill the tunnel where the wall fell. You have to close the entire tunnel on the Mexican side up so no one will sap your wall again!

Walls are expensive and hard to maintain. I wonder what colorful terms will the GBO use to describe such a plan.

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Only a republican would call a request for fair wages, and the right of healthcare and education (like the rest of the civilized world) a request for a handout. Idiots.

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

Who decides whether there is a right to healthcare?

Logic decides it. No legitimate right can impose an obligation on another person. If it can't be exercised on a desert island, it isn't a right.

You are the last person to be able to invoke logic.

So the right to a trial by jury can't exist because it imposes obligations on others to provide that right?

lol, good one.

That's a legal right, not a natural right.

You're legally insane. Or maybe naturally insane.

 

[bripat9643]

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

Who decides whether there is a right to healthcare?

Logic decides it. No legitimate right can impose an obligation on another person. If it can't be exercised on a desert island, it isn't a right.

You are the last person to be able to invoke logic.

So the right to a trial by jury can't exist because it imposes obligations on others to provide that right?

lol, good one.

That's a legal right, not a natural right.

You're legally insane. Or maybe naturally insane.

You have an idiosyncratic definition of "insanity."

 

[nat4900]

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

Lets see:

Berlin's Wall, about 70 miles
Israel's Wall (aka, Apartheid Wall) length of about 400 miles
Saudi Arabia's wall to keep out ISIS (lol) about 600 miles;

U.S.-Mexican Wall....about 2000 to 2200 miles

Great Wall of China...about 13,000 miles

 

[bripat9643]

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

Lets see:

Berlin's Wall, about 70 miles
Israel's Wall (aka, Apartheid Wall) length of about 400 miles
Saudi Arabia's wall to keep out ISIS (lol) about 600 miles;

U.S.-Mexican Wall....about 2000 to 2200 miles

Great Wall of China...about 13,000 miles

hmmm, you're point?

 

[amrchaos]

A fence built by Mexican day labor for the lowest bid?
Yeah that will do it!

Ah, which side of the fence will those day laborers be building? The Mexican or US side?......Who knows, maybe the Chinese will come in with the lowest bid for the fence....while those Mexican day laborers concentrate on the digging of tunnels(under that fence.)

Trump said wall! So it is going to crumble where those tunnels are. The idea of 'sapping' has been around for 2 or 3 millenniums now. And, you just can't fill the tunnel where the wall fell. You have to close the entire tunnel on the Mexican side up so no one will sap your wall again!

Walls are expensive and hard to maintain. I wonder what colorful terms will the GBO use to describe such a plan.

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

If it is well maintained and guarded. Also, how much wall/fence are we talking about versus the fence and wall Israel holds.

And how much does it cost them? How does translate to how much it will cost us?

 

[nat4900]

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

One wonders WHY we didn't just build a wall between North and South Vietnam, thereby sparing 55,000 US lives and countless VN ones.......
Further, why didn't we build a wall separating North from South Korea.....

Heck, why don't we build a wall along the Mason-Dixon line...LOL

 

[daws101]

Only a republican would call a request for fair wages, and the right of healthcare and education (like the rest of the civilized world) a request for a handout. Idiots.

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

Who decides whether there is a right to healthcare?

Logic decides it. No legitimate right can impose an obligation on another person. If it can't be exercised on a desert island, it isn't a right.

You are the last person to be able to invoke logic.

So the right to a trial by jury can't exist because it imposes obligations on others to provide that right?

lol, good one.

That's a legal right, not a natural right.

There are no natural rights
The concept of rights is man made.

 

[daws101]

If people migrating to this country are so turned off by your party maybe you should as yourselves why.

Democrats.....the Party of Handouts......what poor person wouldn't vote for them.....?

Only a republican would call a request for fair wages, and the right of healthcare and education (like the rest of the civilized world) a request for a handout. Idiots.

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

False.

Totally accurate.

Your response is also false.

 

[daws101]

Who decides whether there is a right to healthcare?

Logic decides it. No legitimate right can impose an obligation on another person. If it can't be exercised on a desert island, it isn't a right.

You are the last person to be able to invoke logic.

So the right to a trial by jury can't exist because it imposes obligations on others to provide that right?

lol, good one.

That's a legal right, not a natural right.

You're legally insane. Or maybe naturally insane.

You have an idiosyncratic definition of "insanity."

Only use words you know
Idiosyncratic is not one of them.

 

[bripat9643]

A fence built by Mexican day labor for the lowest bid?
Yeah that will do it!

Ah, which side of the fence will those day laborers be building? The Mexican or US side?......Who knows, maybe the Chinese will come in with the lowest bid for the fence....while those Mexican day laborers concentrate on the digging of tunnels(under that fence.)

Trump said wall! So it is going to crumble where those tunnels are. The idea of 'sapping' has been around for 2 or 3 millenniums now. And, you just can't fill the tunnel where the wall fell. You have to close the entire tunnel on the Mexican side up so no one will sap your wall again!

Walls are expensive and hard to maintain. I wonder what colorful terms will the GBO use to describe such a plan.

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

If it is well maintained and guarded. Also, how much wall/fence are we talking about versus the fence and wall Israel holds.

And how much does it cost them? How does translate to how much it will cost us?

Of course it needs to be guarded. The point of a fence or wall is that it makes any men you have guarding the border much more effective because it holds up anyone trying to cross and gives time for personnel guarding the border to apprehend them.

If Israel can afford a 600 mile wall, I think the United States, a country with 50 times the GDP, can easily afford a wall 3-4 times longer. In fact, the wall will make guarding the border cheaper as fewer personnel will be required.

 

[bripat9643]

Democrats.....the Party of Handouts......what poor person wouldn't vote for them.....?

Only a republican would call a request for fair wages, and the right of healthcare and education (like the rest of the civilized world) a request for a handout. Idiots.

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

False.

Totally accurate.

Your response is also false.

It's 100% true.

 

[bripat9643]

Logic decides it. No legitimate right can impose an obligation on another person. If it can't be exercised on a desert island, it isn't a right.

You are the last person to be able to invoke logic.

So the right to a trial by jury can't exist because it imposes obligations on others to provide that right?

lol, good one.

That's a legal right, not a natural right.

You're legally insane. Or maybe naturally insane.

You have an idiosyncratic definition of "insanity."

Only use words you know
Idiosyncratic is not one of them.

You had to look that up, didn't you?

 

[bripat9643]

There is no right to healthcare or education so they are handouts. "Fair wages" means more than you can make in the free market - another handout, in other words.

Who decides whether there is a right to healthcare?

Logic decides it. No legitimate right can impose an obligation on another person. If it can't be exercised on a desert island, it isn't a right.

You are the last person to be able to invoke logic.


So the right to a trial by jury can't exist because it imposes obligations on others to provide that right?

lol, good one.

That's a legal right, not a natural right.

There are no natural rights
The concept of rights is man made.

It's as man made as the concept of gravity.

 

[nat4900]

hmmm, you're point?

Some points to ponder....

Israel's wall costs about $1 billion per year to maintain
Most of the cost is taken from the U.S.'s subsidy to Israel
The wall, which was begun in 2002, was never finished.
Given that rockets don't "respect" 3 meters' walls, the consensus is that Israel is only slightly safer.

 

[bripat9643]

hmmm, you're point?

Some points to ponder....

Israel's wall costs about $1 billion per year to maintain
Most of the cost is taken from the U.S.'s subsidy to Israel
The wall, which was begun in 2002, was never finished.
Given that rockets don't "respect" 3 meters' walls, the consensus is that Israel is only slightly safer.

The wall wasn't intended to stop rockets. It was intended to stop suicide bombers, and that job it has done spectacularly well. Have you heard of any suicide bombings in Israel in the last 5 years?

One thing I always notice is that opponents of building the wall/fence are always supporters of open borders. The reason they oppose building it is the fact that it will work.

 

[amrchaos]

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

One wonders WHY we didn't just build a wall between North and South Vietnam, thereby sparing 55,000 US lives and countless VN ones.......
Further, why didn't we build a wall separating North from South Korea.....

Heck, why don't we build a wall along the Mason-Dixon line...LOL

There is a wall between N and S Korea and it is highly militarized, and expensive.

 

[amrchaos]

A fence built by Mexican day labor for the lowest bid?
Yeah that will do it!

Ah, which side of the fence will those day laborers be building? The Mexican or US side?......Who knows, maybe the Chinese will come in with the lowest bid for the fence....while those Mexican day laborers concentrate on the digging of tunnels(under that fence.)

Trump said wall! So it is going to crumble where those tunnels are. The idea of 'sapping' has been around for 2 or 3 millenniums now. And, you just can't fill the tunnel where the wall fell. You have to close the entire tunnel on the Mexican side up so no one will sap your wall again!

Walls are expensive and hard to maintain. I wonder what colorful terms will the GBO use to describe such a plan.

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

If it is well maintained and guarded. Also, how much wall/fence are we talking about versus the fence and wall Israel holds.

And how much does it cost them? How does translate to how much it will cost us?

Of course it needs to be guarded. The point of a fence or wall is that it makes any men you have guarding the border much more effective because it holds up anyone trying to cross and gives time for personnel guarding the border to apprehend them.

If Israel can afford a 600 mile wall, I think the United States, a country with 50 times the GDP, can easily afford a wall 3-4 times longer. In fact, the wall will make guarding the border cheaper as fewer personnel will be required.

?? fewer? How many guards per mile are you talking about?

 

[KissMy]

Ah, which side of the fence will those day laborers be building? The Mexican or US side?......Who knows, maybe the Chinese will come in with the lowest bid for the fence....while those Mexican day laborers concentrate on the digging of tunnels(under that fence.)

Trump said wall! So it is going to crumble where those tunnels are. The idea of 'sapping' has been around for 2 or 3 millenniums now. And, you just can't fill the tunnel where the wall fell. You have to close the entire tunnel on the Mexican side up so no one will sap your wall again!

Walls are expensive and hard to maintain. I wonder what colorful terms will the GBO use to describe such a plan.

Don't be an idiot. The wall the Israelis built is working perfectly. The Saudis are also building a fence long their border with Iraq. Walls and fences work. There's no disputing that fact.

If it is well maintained and guarded. Also, how much wall/fence are we talking about versus the fence and wall Israel holds.

And how much does it cost them? How does translate to how much it will cost us?

Of course it needs to be guarded. The point of a fence or wall is that it makes any men you have guarding the border much more effective because it holds up anyone trying to cross and gives time for personnel guarding the border to apprehend them.

If Israel can afford a 600 mile wall, I think the United States, a country with 50 times the GDP, can easily afford a wall 3-4 times longer. In fact, the wall will make guarding the border cheaper as fewer personnel will be required.

?? fewer? How many guards per mile are you talking about?

We have 11 guards per mile now that cost US more than the entire US justice system & growing. Mexicans just tunnel under walls like they are nothing. They tunneled over a mile just to get 1 man out of prison.