Should race-baiting demagogues share blame for two murdered NYPD cops?

If you think latinos side with blacks, I have a bridge for sale. They are more racist than any plantation owner.

Are you saying that 'Latinos' are more racist than 'any plantation owner'?

Some, sure, but not all. My grandfather is full-blooded Latino, and he wasn't racist at all.
I mean culturally, big time. They believe they are white. Your grandfather notwithstanding.

Then again, must we qualify EVERY statement with, "not ALL of them, of course."

We must be fair by qualifying our statements. It is honest, and it shows respect. I know there are liberals and conservatives who are absolutely stupid, or who indulge in child pornography. This gives me neither right nor justification to say that all liberals and conservatives are absolutely stupid, or that they all indulge in child pornography.

If you acknowledge that every group has various elements within, then I feel it is a must to qualify our statements, in order to remain honest and lessen the flames of animosity and contention.

You are far less likely to be challenged or rightfully taken to task when you use the word "some" instead of "all."
Latinos are so racist that they would put a southern plantation owner to shame.

Not ALL latinos. Your grandfather, for instance.
 
This is where the ability to think beyond your circumstances comes into to play. I can understand the shock or initial denial of whites not privy to my reality would manifest. They dont see this or they only see it on movies. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the subsequent denial of my reality. I then move from potential solution seeker to a protector of my position. The more I see people denying my reality the more I am suspect to being open to believing you are evil, racist, etc. The people who control the narrative know this dynamic all to well. They use it to play both sides against each other. What we are really looking at is control of the working class. Historically both sides have always been played against each other. This is just a recycled topic of dispute.

It is also true that some white people are born into miserable conditions without help, and that there do also exist black people who are born into good homes and live a fulfilling and prosperous life. Poor people, white and black, have had their hardships.

I know of racist white people, and of racist black people. There are the good and the bad, the poor and the rich. Every single person has a path behind them that they have been travelling for some time now. The evils and the goods you have experienced aren't the same for others, and it shouldn't reflect on whole groups at all. I work with an African-American man named John who I have grown to appreciate as a friend, and I work under exceptional black, white, asian, and latino nurses and doctors. I do not deny your reality.

In my opinion our media is one factor in those who control the narrative, because they control every single bit of information (news) that is released to us. And on this beast there are multiple heads at war with one another, including MSNBC, CNN, and FOX. It makes you feel helpless when there's little if anything you can do to take to task those within our medias who aren't honest. Could it be said that our media in the 30's-50's were at least a bit more straightforward and actually broadcasted the news?

I know there are some whites or people of every race born to bad circumstances. That really has nothing to do with my point. I am talking about the reality of racist white cops used to control Black and Brown people. Recon said it himself and he was a cop. That doesnt mean all white cops are racist. I'm saying that people have experienced this. Other whites have witnessed this and they see the difference in treatment that Black people get vs white people. I dont even live in ghetto anymore but still get the same attitude until they discover I am not one to be messed with since I know my rights.

Our media is definitely a factor because they spread the narrative. I dont think the media in the 30-50 was more honest. They deliberately ignored or minimized the issues in the Black community on a regular basis. I think the sophistication of the media has grown to the point that they have tailored their broadcasts to suit their "team". I cant tell if they are actually at war or part of a bigger scheme to keep people divided.

I do agree with you that there are some racist white police officers that treat some black people this way. Those would be the bad apples, and they should be held accountable for their actions. The touchy thing with racial issues, however, is that sometimes some on the Left mistake more easily things that aren't racist for being racist. That in no way means what you have said isn't true. The spectre is there, though.

As there are racist white cops, there are also thuggish black civilians. This is true. You and I are not part of that. There are also good cops and good black citizens. When we speak of white cops used to control black/brown people, it feels, to me, like a conspiracy. I don't venture into conspiratorial discussion because, without evidence, there is very little to believe. The same can be said for most if not all things Glenn Beck ever said, among other talking heads.

There was a YouTube video that Gracie shared of a young black man who spoke of the image of the black community as a whole. Along those lines he mentioned that part of the problem is how some young African-Americans have deliberately made this image of themselves, which make white/non-black people afraid of black people. The talk of killing your snitches, beating your hos, killing the pigs, and other things like that do make people afraid. Not all black people are like that, at all. The image, however, persists, and in order to end it there must be more African-Americans willing to stand up and quash those within their community who create these images. Some black people do live up to those stereotypes, and feed into them fuel, giving non-black people ever more reason to truly be afraid.

I agree about the media. And not only that, there are so many Yahoo articles and other articles that are dripping with either liberal or conservative bias.
 
As usual, the haters who make this accusation can never actually name any "conservatives" they are pretending did this.

Calling Obama a tyrant, a Stalinist, a Marxist, the Devil,

those are demonizations.

True, but he is not called that because he is a black man.

Thank you for never failing to be irrelevant.

Can't stand the truth, huh!

You should have stuck with admitting that Obama is constantly demonized.

You poor thing, and it's not like Reagan, Bush, etc were constantly Demonized.
 
It is always comical to see the Liberals blame everything on either Bush or Fox News. They never take responsibility for their own actions.

Fox news is just as culpable as MSNBC/CNN/NBC/etc.

There are bad apples in each group, Flash.

But you don't see the Right blaming everything on MSNBC like you see the Libtards blaming everything on FOX.

If the Libtards can'[t blame Obama's failures on Bush then they go after Fox.

They control NBC, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, ABC, CBS, most newspapers and almost every college professor in the country but yet they still complain about Fox and Rush.

I have, throughout the years, seen conservatives and republicans blaming things on the liberal-slanting media, Carter, Clinton, Obama, etc. The opposite has also been true for liberals and their blame games as well. Both the reds and the blues play this game, and it is no secret.

With the Media, there are two sides as I see it. We have Fox on one side, which is very powerful by itself. Against it are many factional liberal-leaning media outlets that continuously war against Fox. Individually they have little hope vs Fox, so they fight like a pack against it. The game has been going on for some time now.

They complain about Fox and Rush primarily because they have more influence than they do. At least, that is how I perceive it.
 
The focus isn't on ChrisL and Asclepias. It's on whether or not race-baiting demagogues share blame for the murders of two NYPD police officers.

I think they share some of the blame in this. Who here disagrees?
I do.

You disagree?

To be clear, on what do you disagree, and why?

The reason I ask is because I don't want to misunderstand what you have to say.
I was a Police Officer for 15 years, prior to that 5 years as an Air Force Aeromedical Tech, prior to that a Combat Marine for 4 years.

Before any of those experiences, I was Black and treated as such by police officers as a threat, criminal or basically in the wrong city.
Even as a Police Officer I was routinely stopped in certain cities and treated very disrespectfully until I identified myself.

When I was 11 years old, the most respectable couple in my neighborhood was a retired man and wife in their 60's.

I was coming home from my jobat the corner store and a white police officer stopped me and asked me what I had stolen "out of that store." When I told him that I didn't steal, he got out of the car grabbed me by the neck and started to search me.

Mrs. Howell came on her porch and asked what was the matter, the other police officer pulled a gun and told her to get her black ass back in the house before he shot her and her dog. The dog was a miniature poodle named Dino.

My point is that, I live with a foot in both camps and for those that deny that there are very racist police officers is factually incorrect.
Further, I don't believe that anyone on this forum can cite where I or anyone has said that all police officers are racist. I see that as a deflection by certain people as an attempt to minimize the experiences of many minorities in this country.

Sharton and the mayor have never advocated that Police Officers be attacked, killed, harassed. They have said that the recurrung narrative of unarmed Black men killed at the hands of White police officers needs to be more thoroughly examined and the dynamics of police/minority contact.

Being an Police Officer is a difficult job and all Police Officers should not be police officers, they carry too much prejudice.
By the same token, being a minority subject to police stops and field investigations is difficult, especially if you know you have done no wrong.

Now there's the conservative narrative and frankly a lie, that sharpton called for Police Officers to be killed. I would never support that sentiment yet it seems some white/conservatives are more than happy to accept that blatant lie.

Seems that they need it in order to justify their prejudice.
The protestors were called looters, when a very small percentage of them were actually looting.
That was never a point news worthy because it would shed the protestors as more than "liberal" malcontents instead of people who genuinely see the problem in today's police/minority contact.

Mark, what you describe is awful... And as a white guy, Former Recon-Marine... I'm embarrassed for all of us that people would behave that way. It's inexcusable.

That said... Sharpton is a race hustling reprobate... who is every bit the embarrassment for the species that the white reprobates you describe, represent... this along with Jackson, Holder and the Peasantpimp of the Union States.

I feel terrible that the black culture has allowed these idiots to represent you. I live about as far south in the US as one can get and I don't know ANYONE who mistreats anyone because of the color of their skin... and that is ANYONE, speaking of those I know and associate with on a regular basis of EVERY COLOR.

We all feel bad that any of that crap ever went down... and I know you know that.

So... fuck the race hustlers and let's just get back to being people of various colors who laugh at the race hustlers like we did before the Brown-Clown was elected and took the place of the pasty-white clown who was 'The First Black Peasantpimp of the Union States.'

I for one am looking forward to seeing Ben Carson take the seat of the President of the United States. A brilliant man, who lives upon and through sound reasoning, set in strong unwavering principle... and who represents all Americans and from time to times lends a token nod to the Left, as credit for being present.

Then we can all sit back and enjoy the hell out of watching the Left LOOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS!

And on Friday Nights we'll take a drink every time one of 'em posts: 'Uncle Tom" or other such racial epithets upon an honorable man, doing a tough job well, who just happens to reflect a dark caramel hue... .

Hey, Ben is never going to make it.
I posted in another forum that I teach my children to treat individuals according to their actions and not their color, an idiot on the board told me that was naive.
It's difficult because we live in a climate where controversies over this and that are rampant.

We can agree to disagree about Sharpton and the Mayor of NY, I'm fine with that.
I can still agree with you and disagree with you on various issues because neither of us take the stand that every person of any group will think the same way.

One poster called my earlier post a rant, which simply goes back to what asclepias was saying. Some whites will fervently seek to state that the Black experience is a lie simply because they as a White person hasn't experienced it.

Those are the people that unfortunately scream the loudest today.

Man, you may be right about Dr. Carson. But I am not going to count him out. The man stood up, DIRECTLY NEXT TO the Peasantpimp of the Union States and explained in certain terms why obama and his entire ideology is a fraud.

That tells me that the man has enormous reserves of courage. And that tells me that the man live on an inalterable faith... and that tells me that, THAT MAN... speaks as God tells him to speak and THAT tells me that he is where God wants him to be and you can't beat that.

I don't discount that blacks have experienced extreme prejudice... and I don't discount that they're often prejudged, on the basis of the cruel behavior that was set upon them by other blacks.

It's a long strong of abuses... and has swung both ways. And we can either continue to perpetrate the pain or call a truce... .

The simple fact is that we, as white folks, have no means to tell Sharpton and the other race-hustling clowns to shut up. Only you folks can do that. And there is no downside to you doing so.

I can assure you, we don't want no trouble. But in so assuring I need to convey to you, how easily shit could slide ugly and there won't be a dam'd thing we will be able to do to stop it, once it gets rollin'. And when it cranks off, reason is out the door and there will be NO WINNERS coming out of that shit.
 

You disagree?

To be clear, on what do you disagree, and why?

The reason I ask is because I don't want to misunderstand what you have to say.
I was a Police Officer for 15 years, prior to that 5 years as an Air Force Aeromedical Tech, prior to that a Combat Marine for 4 years.

Before any of those experiences, I was Black and treated as such by police officers as a threat, criminal or basically in the wrong city.
Even as a Police Officer I was routinely stopped in certain cities and treated very disrespectfully until I identified myself.

When I was 11 years old, the most respectable couple in my neighborhood was a retired man and wife in their 60's.

I was coming home from my jobat the corner store and a white police officer stopped me and asked me what I had stolen "out of that store." When I told him that I didn't steal, he got out of the car grabbed me by the neck and started to search me.

Mrs. Howell came on her porch and asked what was the matter, the other police officer pulled a gun and told her to get her black ass back in the house before he shot her and her dog. The dog was a miniature poodle named Dino.

My point is that, I live with a foot in both camps and for those that deny that there are very racist police officers is factually incorrect.
Further, I don't believe that anyone on this forum can cite where I or anyone has said that all police officers are racist. I see that as a deflection by certain people as an attempt to minimize the experiences of many minorities in this country.

Sharton and the mayor have never advocated that Police Officers be attacked, killed, harassed. They have said that the recurrung narrative of unarmed Black men killed at the hands of White police officers needs to be more thoroughly examined and the dynamics of police/minority contact.

Being an Police Officer is a difficult job and all Police Officers should not be police officers, they carry too much prejudice.
By the same token, being a minority subject to police stops and field investigations is difficult, especially if you know you have done no wrong.

Now there's the conservative narrative and frankly a lie, that sharpton called for Police Officers to be killed. I would never support that sentiment yet it seems some white/conservatives are more than happy to accept that blatant lie.

Seems that they need it in order to justify their prejudice.
The protestors were called looters, when a very small percentage of them were actually looting.
That was never a point news worthy because it would shed the protestors as more than "liberal" malcontents instead of people who genuinely see the problem in today's police/minority contact.

Mark, what you describe is awful... And as a white guy, Former Recon-Marine... I'm embarrassed for all of us that people would behave that way. It's inexcusable.

That said... Sharpton is a race hustling reprobate... who is every bit the embarrassment for the species that the white reprobates you describe, represent... this along with Jackson, Holder and the Peasantpimp of the Union States.

I feel terrible that the black culture has allowed these idiots to represent you. I live about as far south in the US as one can get and I don't know ANYONE who mistreats anyone because of the color of their skin... and that is ANYONE, speaking of those I know and associate with on a regular basis of EVERY COLOR.

We all feel bad that any of that crap ever went down... and I know you know that.

So... fuck the race hustlers and let's just get back to being people of various colors who laugh at the race hustlers like we did before the Brown-Clown was elected and took the place of the pasty-white clown who was 'The First Black Peasantpimp of the Union States.'

I for one am looking forward to seeing Ben Carson take the seat of the President of the United States. A brilliant man, who lives upon and through sound reasoning, set in strong unwavering principle... and who represents all Americans and from time to times lends a token nod to the Left, as credit for being present.

Then we can all sit back and enjoy the hell out of watching the Left LOOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS!

And on Friday Nights we'll take a drink every time one of 'em posts: 'Uncle Tom" or other such racial epithets upon an honorable man, doing a tough job well, who just happens to reflect a dark caramel hue... .

Hey, Ben is never going to make it.
I posted in another forum that I teach my children to treat individuals according to their actions and not their color, an idiot on the board told me that was naive.
It's difficult because we live in a climate where controversies over this and that are rampant.

We can agree to disagree about Sharpton and the Mayor of NY, I'm fine with that.
I can still agree with you and disagree with you on various issues because neither of us take the stand that every person of any group will think the same way.

One poster called my earlier post a rant, which simply goes back to what asclepias was saying. Some whites will fervently seek to state that the Black experience is a lie simply because they as a White person hasn't experienced it.

Those are the people that unfortunately scream the loudest today.

Man, you may be right about Dr. Carson. But I am not going to count him out. The man stood up, DIRECTLY NEXT TO the Peasantpimp of the Union States and explained in certain terms why obama and his entire ideology is a fraud.

That tells me that the man has enormous reserves of courage. And that tells me that the man live on an inalterable faith... and that tells me that, THAT MAN... speaks as God tells him to speak and THAT tells me that he is where God wants him to be and you can't beat that.

I don't discount that blacks have experienced extreme prejudice... and I don't discount that they're often prejudged, on the basis of the cruel behavior that was set upon them by other blacks.

It's a long strong of abuses... and has swung both ways. And we can either continue to perpetrate the pain or call a truce... .

The simple fact is that we, as white folks, have no means to tell Sharpton and the other race-hustling clowns to shut up. Only you folks can do that. And there is no downside to you doing so.

I can assure you, we don't want no trouble. But in so assuring I need to convey to you, how easily shit could slide ugly and there won't be a dam'd thing we will be able to do to stop it, once it gets rollin'. And when it cranks off, reason is out the door and there will be NO WINNERS coming out of that shit.

As I can assure you, if you spoke to a majority of Black people from all socio-economic levels and asked them if they wanted a race war, they would either look at you like you were stupid.

If that war did happen, the people that would be on the receiving end of my rounds are the people White or Black trying to bring it into my home.

I don't miss much.
 
As I can assure you, if you spoke to a majority of Black people from all socio-economic levels and asked them if they wanted a race war, they would either look at you like you were stupid.

If that war did happen, the people that would be on the receiving end of my rounds are the people White or Black trying to bring it into my home.

I don't miss much.

I like this post. :)
 
Some Latinos are so racist that they would put a southern plantation owner to shame.

This would make your statement unassailable.
Not ALL of my statement, of course.

Along the lines of logic, it would be valid, because there do exist some Latinos in this great big world who are so racist they would put a Southern plantation owner to shame.
Being born and raised in Central America, and living there now, perhaps gives me a separate and distinct perspective.
 
This is where the ability to think beyond your circumstances comes into to play. I can understand the shock or initial denial of whites not privy to my reality would manifest. They dont see this or they only see it on movies. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the subsequent denial of my reality. I then move from potential solution seeker to a protector of my position. The more I see people denying my reality the more I am suspect to being open to believing you are evil, racist, etc. The people who control the narrative know this dynamic all to well. They use it to play both sides against each other. What we are really looking at is control of the working class. Historically both sides have always been played against each other. This is just a recycled topic of dispute.

It is also true that some white people are born into miserable conditions without help, and that there do also exist black people who are born into good homes and live a fulfilling and prosperous life. Poor people, white and black, have had their hardships.

I know of racist white people, and of racist black people. There are the good and the bad, the poor and the rich. Every single person has a path behind them that they have been travelling for some time now. The evils and the goods you have experienced aren't the same for others, and it shouldn't reflect on whole groups at all. I work with an African-American man named John who I have grown to appreciate as a friend, and I work under exceptional black, white, asian, and latino nurses and doctors. I do not deny your reality.

In my opinion our media is one factor in those who control the narrative, because they control every single bit of information (news) that is released to us. And on this beast there are multiple heads at war with one another, including MSNBC, CNN, and FOX. It makes you feel helpless when there's little if anything you can do to take to task those within our medias who aren't honest. Could it be said that our media in the 30's-50's were at least a bit more straightforward and actually broadcasted the news?

I know there are some whites or people of every race born to bad circumstances. That really has nothing to do with my point. I am talking about the reality of racist white cops used to control Black and Brown people. Recon said it himself and he was a cop. That doesnt mean all white cops are racist. I'm saying that people have experienced this. Other whites have witnessed this and they see the difference in treatment that Black people get vs white people. I dont even live in ghetto anymore but still get the same attitude until they discover I am not one to be messed with since I know my rights.

Our media is definitely a factor because they spread the narrative. I dont think the media in the 30-50 was more honest. They deliberately ignored or minimized the issues in the Black community on a regular basis. I think the sophistication of the media has grown to the point that they have tailored their broadcasts to suit their "team". I cant tell if they are actually at war or part of a bigger scheme to keep people divided.

I do agree with you that there are some racist white police officers that treat some black people this way. Those would be the bad apples, and they should be held accountable for their actions. The touchy thing with racial issues, however, is that sometimes some on the Left mistake more easily things that aren't racist for being racist. That in no way means what you have said isn't true. The spectre is there, though.

As there are racist white cops, there are also thuggish black civilians. This is true. You and I are not part of that. There are also good cops and good black citizens. When we speak of white cops used to control black/brown people, it feels, to me, like a conspiracy. I don't venture into conspiratorial discussion because, without evidence, there is very little to believe. The same can be said for most if not all things Glenn Beck ever said, among other talking heads.

There was a YouTube video that Gracie shared of a young black man who spoke of the image of the black community as a whole. Along those lines he mentioned that part of the problem is how some young African-Americans have deliberately made this image of themselves, which make white/non-black people afraid of black people. The talk of killing your snitches, beating your hos, killing the pigs, and other things like that do make people afraid. Not all black people are like that, at all. The image, however, persists, and in order to end it there must be more African-Americans willing to stand up and quash those within their community who create these images. Some black people do live up to those stereotypes, and feed into them fuel, giving non-black people ever more reason to truly be afraid.

I agree about the media. And not only that, there are so many Yahoo articles and other articles that are dripping with either liberal or conservative bias.

Therein lies the problem. Those bad apples are not held accountable. We are told wild stories like he charged a cop after running from him. Mind you this all started because he supposedly robbed a store and then called attention to himself. Any sane person knows you are not going to rob a store then pick a fight with a cop with the evidence in your hand. There is a logical disconnect there with people who really believe this stuff. I dont think its conspiratorial because there is much evidence that this is the case. There simply cant be that many coincidences and I dont expect the government to ever admit to using the police in lieu of Jim Crow to control Blacks. The Black Panther Party was conceived due to this dynamic.

The criminal element of a Black community does not reflect the entire Black community just like you wouldnt want me to believe the criminal element of any other community reflects all whites, latinos, asians etc. Why whites are susceptible to that fear and subsequent generalization is interesting. I also find interesting that whites with just a slight amount of research would find that many Blacks speak out against violence and crime in the Black community. Its almost dumbfounding to me that one of the guys they claim is not interested in Black on Black violence for example had a summit in Chicago regarding that very issue right before Ferguson happened and uses the majority of that time attempting to effect change but he only gets news time when its a black vs white issue.
 
That was very amusing. You see the right blaming everything on MSNBC at least 10 times a day on this site. Funny thing is I dont even watch MSNBC.

I don't blame anything on them because I never watch the stupid network except for Lockup every once in a great while.
 
This is where the ability to think beyond your circumstances comes into to play. I can understand the shock or initial denial of whites not privy to my reality would manifest. They dont see this or they only see it on movies. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the subsequent denial of my reality. I then move from potential solution seeker to a protector of my position. The more I see people denying my reality the more I am suspect to being open to believing you are evil, racist, etc. The people who control the narrative know this dynamic all to well. They use it to play both sides against each other. What we are really looking at is control of the working class. Historically both sides have always been played against each other. This is just a recycled topic of dispute.

It is also true that some white people are born into miserable conditions without help, and that there do also exist black people who are born into good homes and live a fulfilling and prosperous life. Poor people, white and black, have had their hardships.

I know of racist white people, and of racist black people. There are the good and the bad, the poor and the rich. Every single person has a path behind them that they have been travelling for some time now. The evils and the goods you have experienced aren't the same for others, and it shouldn't reflect on whole groups at all. I work with an African-American man named John who I have grown to appreciate as a friend, and I work under exceptional black, white, asian, and latino nurses and doctors. I do not deny your reality.

In my opinion our media is one factor in those who control the narrative, because they control every single bit of information (news) that is released to us. And on this beast there are multiple heads at war with one another, including MSNBC, CNN, and FOX. It makes you feel helpless when there's little if anything you can do to take to task those within our medias who aren't honest. Could it be said that our media in the 30's-50's were at least a bit more straightforward and actually broadcasted the news?

I know there are some whites or people of every race born to bad circumstances. That really has nothing to do with my point. I am talking about the reality of racist white cops used to control Black and Brown people. Recon said it himself and he was a cop. That doesnt mean all white cops are racist. I'm saying that people have experienced this. Other whites have witnessed this and they see the difference in treatment that Black people get vs white people. I dont even live in ghetto anymore but still get the same attitude until they discover I am not one to be messed with since I know my rights.

Our media is definitely a factor because they spread the narrative. I dont think the media in the 30-50 was more honest. They deliberately ignored or minimized the issues in the Black community on a regular basis. I think the sophistication of the media has grown to the point that they have tailored their broadcasts to suit their "team". I cant tell if they are actually at war or part of a bigger scheme to keep people divided.

Tell us some more about how you're going to shoot cops in the head. Oh wait.....my signature already tells the story and supplies the links. You've already made it clear that you think cops are racist any time they "harass" you because you assume they do so because you're black. I'm Native American and never get harassed by the cops, but that's likely because I'm law abiding. But certainly when cops pull me over or otherwise engage me, I don't assume they're doing so because of my race. That's just idiotic. You are representative of what's wrong with many black people, being trained in the mentality that you're not responsible for your actions, that anything the cops do is persecution because they're racist. Such dark, ignorant, and bigoted thinking is what keeps many blacks in unrelenting generational poverty and crime. You make your bed and you sleep in it.
 

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