Should race-baiting demagogues share blame for two murdered NYPD cops?

[Wake]

You disagree that the guy that killed these two cops was not influenced in some way by an outside source? I'm asking because he remarked that he was getting tired of us being killed by the cops or something to that effect.

Today on CNN they said that the guy said it was vengeance for the filling in Ferguson.

I didnt know that. I figured as much from what I read yesterday.

"Vengeance for the filling in Ferguson."

Dear God, I made it sound like it was a pastry brouhaha at your local Dunkin' Donuts.

 

[TooTall]

Along with conservatives who go out of their way to demonize black people.

As usual, the haters who make this accusation can never actually name any "conservatives" they are pretending did this.

Calling Obama a tyrant, a Stalinist, a Marxist, the Devil,

those are demonizations.

True, but he is not called that because he is a black man.

 

[Stephanie]

The focus isn't on ChrisL and Asclepias. It's on whether or not race-baiting demagogues share blame for the murders of two NYPD police officers.

I think they share some of the blame in this. Who here disagrees?

I do.

You disagree?

To be clear, on what do you disagree, and why?

The reason I ask is because I don't want to misunderstand what you have to say.

I was a Police Officer for 15 years, prior to that 5 years as an Air Force Aeromedical Tech, prior to that a Combat Marine for 4 years.

Before any of those experiences, I was Black and treated as such by police officers as a threat, criminal or basically in the wrong city.
Even as a Police Officer I was routinely stopped in certain cities and treated very disrespectfully until I identified myself.

When I was 11 years old, the most respectable couple in my neighborhood was a retired man and wife in their 60's.

I was coming home from my jobat the corner store and a white police officer stopped me and asked me what I had stolen "out of that store." When I told him that I didn't steal, he got out of the car grabbed me by the neck and started to search me.

Mrs. Howell came on her porch and asked what was the matter, the other police officer pulled a gun and told her to get her black ass back in the house before he shot her and her dog. The dog was a miniature poodle named Dino.

My point is that, I live with a foot in both camps and for those that deny that there are very racist police officers is factually incorrect.
Further, I don't believe that anyone on this forum can cite where I or anyone has said that all police officers are racist. I see that as a deflection by certain people as an attempt to minimize the experiences of many minorities in this country.

Sharton and the mayor have never advocated that Police Officers be attacked, killed, harassed. They have said that the recurrung narrative of unarmed Black men killed at the hands of White police officers needs to be more thoroughly examined and the dynamics of police/minority contact.

Being an Police Officer is a difficult job and all Police Officers should not be police officers, they carry too much prejudice.
By the same token, being a minority subject to police stops and field investigations is difficult, especially if you know you have done no wrong.

Now there's the conservative narrative and frankly a lie, that sharpton called for Police Officers to be killed. I would never support that sentiment yet it seems some white/conservatives are more than happy to accept that blatant lie.

Seems that they need it in order to justify their prejudice.
The protestors were called looters, when a very small percentage of them were actually looting.
That was never a point news worthy because it would shed the protestors as more than "liberal" malcontents instead of people who genuinely see the problem in today's police/minority contact.

oh please, how many "white" conservatives do you know and did you ask them if that's what they think?

stop painting with your board brush. now rant on

 

[Wake]

It is always comical to see the Liberals blame everything on either Bush or Fox News. They never take responsibility for their own actions.

Fox news is just as culpable as MSNBC/CNN/NBC/etc.

There are bad apples in each group, Flash.

 

[Carib Gyal]

If you think latinos side with blacks, I have a bridge for sale. They are more racist than any plantation owner.

Are you saying that 'Latinos' are more racist than 'any plantation owner'?

Some, sure, but not all. My grandfather is full-blooded Latino, and he wasn't racist at all.

I mean culturally, big time. They believe they are white. Your grandfather notwithstanding.

Then again, must we qualify EVERY statement with, "not ALL of them, of course."

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The focus isn't on ChrisL and Asclepias. It's on whether or not race-baiting demagogues share blame for the murders of two NYPD police officers.

I think they share some of the blame in this. Who here disagrees?

I do.

You disagree?

To be clear, on what do you disagree, and why?

The reason I ask is because I don't want to misunderstand what you have to say.

I was a Police Officer for 15 years, prior to that 5 years as an Air Force Aeromedical Tech, prior to that a Combat Marine for 4 years.

Before any of those experiences, I was Black and treated as such by police officers as a threat, criminal or basically in the wrong city.
Even as a Police Officer I was routinely stopped in certain cities and treated very disrespectfully until I identified myself.

When I was 11 years old, the most respectable couple in my neighborhood was a retired man and wife in their 60's.

I was coming home from my jobat the corner store and a white police officer stopped me and asked me what I had stolen "out of that store." When I told him that I didn't steal, he got out of the car grabbed me by the neck and started to search me.

Mrs. Howell came on her porch and asked what was the matter, the other police officer pulled a gun and told her to get her black ass back in the house before he shot her and her dog. The dog was a miniature poodle named Dino.

My point is that, I live with a foot in both camps and for those that deny that there are very racist police officers is factually incorrect.
Further, I don't believe that anyone on this forum can cite where I or anyone has said that all police officers are racist. I see that as a deflection by certain people as an attempt to minimize the experiences of many minorities in this country.

Sharton and the mayor have never advocated that Police Officers be attacked, killed, harassed. They have said that the recurrung narrative of unarmed Black men killed at the hands of White police officers needs to be more thoroughly examined and the dynamics of police/minority contact.

Being an Police Officer is a difficult job and all Police Officers should not be police officers, they carry too much prejudice.
By the same token, being a minority subject to police stops and field investigations is difficult, especially if you know you have done no wrong.

Now there's the conservative narrative and frankly a lie, that sharpton called for Police Officers to be killed. I would never support that sentiment yet it seems some white/conservatives are more than happy to accept that blatant lie.

Seems that they need it in order to justify their prejudice.
The protestors were called looters, when a very small percentage of them were actually looting.
That was never a point news worthy because it would shed the protestors as more than "liberal" malcontents instead of people who genuinely see the problem in today's police/minority contact.

Mark, what you describe is awful... And as a white guy, Former Recon-Marine... I'm embarrassed for all of us that people would behave that way. It's inexcusable.

That said... Sharpton is a race hustling reprobate... who is every bit the embarrassment for the species that the white reprobates you describe, represent... this along with Jackson, Holder and the Peasantpimp of the Union States.

I feel terrible that the black culture has allowed these idiots to represent you. I live about as far south in the US as one can get and I don't know ANYONE who mistreats anyone because of the color of their skin... and that is ANYONE, speaking of those I know and associate with on a regular basis of EVERY COLOR.

We all feel bad that any of that crap ever went down... and I know you know that.

So... fuck the race hustlers and let's just get back to being people of various colors who laugh at the race hustlers like we did before the Brown-Clown was elected and took the place of the pasty-white clown who was 'The First Black Peasantpimp of the Union States.'

I for one am looking forward to seeing Ben Carson take the seat of the President of the United States. A brilliant man, who lives upon and through sound reasoning, set in strong unwavering principle... and who represents all Americans and from time to times lends a token nod to the Left, as credit for being present.

Then we can all sit back and enjoy the hell out of watching the Left LOOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS!

And on Friday Nights we'll take a drink every time one of 'em posts: 'Uncle Tom" or other such racial epithets upon an honorable man, doing a tough job well, who just happens to reflect a dark caramel hue... .

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

It is always comical to see the Liberals blame everything on either Bush or Fox News. They never take responsibility for their own actions.

Fox news is just as culpable as MSNBC/CNN/NBC/etc. ...

ROFLMNAO! Oh Lordy ... THAT is hysterical!

 

[Wake]

If you think latinos side with blacks, I have a bridge for sale. They are more racist than any plantation owner.

Are you saying that 'Latinos' are more racist than 'any plantation owner'?

Some, sure, but not all. My grandfather is full-blooded Latino, and he wasn't racist at all.

I mean culturally, big time. They believe they are white. Your grandfather notwithstanding.

Then again, must we qualify EVERY statement with, "not ALL of them, of course."

We must be fair by qualifying our statements. It is honest, and it shows respect. I know there are liberals and conservatives who are absolutely stupid, or who indulge in child pornography. This gives me neither right nor justification to say that all liberals and conservatives are absolutely stupid, or that they all indulge in child pornography.

If you acknowledge that every group has various elements within, then I feel it is a must to qualify our statements, in order to remain honest and lessen the flames of animosity and contention.

You are far less likely to be challenged or rightfully taken to task when you use the word "some" instead of "all."

 

[BluesLegend]

Reverse the situation, GOP leaders fan hatred towards black cops and two black cops are executed by a white man...yes the entire left and MSM would be demanding the GOP leaders heads on a pike.

 

[reconmark]

The focus isn't on ChrisL and Asclepias. It's on whether or not race-baiting demagogues share blame for the murders of two NYPD police officers.

I think they share some of the blame in this. Who here disagrees?

I do.

You disagree?

To be clear, on what do you disagree, and why?

The reason I ask is because I don't want to misunderstand what you have to say.

I was a Police Officer for 15 years, prior to that 5 years as an Air Force Aeromedical Tech, prior to that a Combat Marine for 4 years.

Before any of those experiences, I was Black and treated as such by police officers as a threat, criminal or basically in the wrong city.
Even as a Police Officer I was routinely stopped in certain cities and treated very disrespectfully until I identified myself.

When I was 11 years old, the most respectable couple in my neighborhood was a retired man and wife in their 60's.

I was coming home from my jobat the corner store and a white police officer stopped me and asked me what I had stolen "out of that store." When I told him that I didn't steal, he got out of the car grabbed me by the neck and started to search me.

Mrs. Howell came on her porch and asked what was the matter, the other police officer pulled a gun and told her to get her black ass back in the house before he shot her and her dog. The dog was a miniature poodle named Dino.

My point is that, I live with a foot in both camps and for those that deny that there are very racist police officers is factually incorrect.
Further, I don't believe that anyone on this forum can cite where I or anyone has said that all police officers are racist. I see that as a deflection by certain people as an attempt to minimize the experiences of many minorities in this country.

Sharton and the mayor have never advocated that Police Officers be attacked, killed, harassed. They have said that the recurrung narrative of unarmed Black men killed at the hands of White police officers needs to be more thoroughly examined and the dynamics of police/minority contact.

Being an Police Officer is a difficult job and all Police Officers should not be police officers, they carry too much prejudice.
By the same token, being a minority subject to police stops and field investigations is difficult, especially if you know you have done no wrong.

Now there's the conservative narrative and frankly a lie, that sharpton called for Police Officers to be killed. I would never support that sentiment yet it seems some white/conservatives are more than happy to accept that blatant lie.

Seems that they need it in order to justify their prejudice.
The protestors were called looters, when a very small percentage of them were actually looting.
That was never a point news worthy because it would shed the protestors as more than "liberal" malcontents instead of people who genuinely see the problem in today's police/minority contact.

oh please, how many "white" conservatives do you know and did you ask them if that's what they think?

stop painting with your board brush. now rant on

Move on now...

 

[Wake]

Reverse the situation, GOP leaders fan hatred towards black cops and two black cops are executed by a white man...yes the entire left and MSM would be demanding the GOP leaders heads on a pike.

Hypocrisy is a part of the problem, and it has many manifestations among various groups and sides.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I know there are liberals and conservatives who are absolutely stupid, or who indulge in child pornography.

Yep... the difference is that NONE of those who claim to BE Americans, but failed to live up to the standards required to make the claim, DEMAND THAT THEIR PERVERSION MUST BE ACCEPTED AS "NORMAL"... as do every single one of those who are doing what is expected of the sexually abnormal, who quite naturally adhere to the unprincipled 'tenets' of Left-think.. OKA: Liberals.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Along with conservatives who go out of their way to demonize black people.

As usual, the haters who make this accusation can never actually name any "conservatives" they are pretending did this.

Calling Obama a tyrant, a Stalinist, a Marxist, the Devil,

those are demonizations.

True, but he is not called that because he is a black man.

Thank you for never failing to be irrelevant.

 

[Asclepias]

This is where the ability to think beyond your circumstances comes into to play. I can understand the shock or initial denial of whites not privy to my reality would manifest. They dont see this or they only see it on movies. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the subsequent denial of my reality. I then move from potential solution seeker to a protector of my position. The more I see people denying my reality the more I am suspect to being open to believing you are evil, racist, etc. The people who control the narrative know this dynamic all to well. They use it to play both sides against each other. What we are really looking at is control of the working class. Historically both sides have always been played against each other. This is just a recycled topic of dispute.

It is also true that some white people are born into miserable conditions without help, and that there do also exist black people who are born into good homes and live a fulfilling and prosperous life. Poor people, white and black, have had their hardships.

I know of racist white people, and of racist black people. There are the good and the bad, the poor and the rich. Every single person has a path behind them that they have been travelling for some time now. The evils and the goods you have experienced aren't the same for others, and it shouldn't reflect on whole groups at all. I work with an African-American man named John who I have grown to appreciate as a friend, and I work under exceptional black, white, asian, and latino nurses and doctors. I do not deny your reality.

In my opinion our media is one factor in those who control the narrative, because they control every single bit of information (news) that is released to us. And on this beast there are multiple heads at war with one another, including MSNBC, CNN, and FOX. It makes you feel helpless when there's little if anything you can do to take to task those within our medias who aren't honest. Could it be said that our media in the 30's-50's were at least a bit more straightforward and actually broadcasted the news?

I know there are some whites or people of every race born to bad circumstances. That really has nothing to do with my point. I am talking about the reality of racist white cops used to control Black and Brown people. Recon said it himself and he was a cop. That doesnt mean all white cops are racist. I'm saying that people have experienced this. Other whites have witnessed this and they see the difference in treatment that Black people get vs white people. I dont even live in ghetto anymore but still get the same attitude until they discover I am not one to be messed with since I know my rights.

Our media is definitely a factor because they spread the narrative. I dont think the media in the 30-50 was more honest. They deliberately ignored or minimized the issues in the Black community on a regular basis. I think the sophistication of the media has grown to the point that they have tailored their broadcasts to suit their "team". I cant tell if they are actually at war or part of a bigger scheme to keep people divided.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Thank you for never failing to be irrelevant.

ROFL!

Man...

That's CRAZY Ironic.

 

[TooTall]

Along with conservatives who go out of their way to demonize black people.

As usual, the haters who make this accusation can never actually name any "conservatives" they are pretending did this.

Calling Obama a tyrant, a Stalinist, a Marxist, the Devil,

those are demonizations.

True, but he is not called that because he is a black man.

Thank you for never failing to be irrelevant.

Can't stand the truth, huh!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Along with conservatives who go out of their way to demonize black people.

As usual, the haters who make this accusation can never actually name any "conservatives" they are pretending did this.

Calling Obama a tyrant, a Stalinist, a Marxist, the Devil,

those are demonizations.

True, but he is not called that because he is a black man.

Thank you for never failing to be irrelevant.

Can't stand the truth, huh!

You should have stuck with admitting that Obama is constantly demonized.

 

[reconmark]

The focus isn't on ChrisL and Asclepias. It's on whether or not race-baiting demagogues share blame for the murders of two NYPD police officers.

I think they share some of the blame in this. Who here disagrees?

I do.

You disagree?

To be clear, on what do you disagree, and why?

The reason I ask is because I don't want to misunderstand what you have to say.

I was a Police Officer for 15 years, prior to that 5 years as an Air Force Aeromedical Tech, prior to that a Combat Marine for 4 years.

Before any of those experiences, I was Black and treated as such by police officers as a threat, criminal or basically in the wrong city.
Even as a Police Officer I was routinely stopped in certain cities and treated very disrespectfully until I identified myself.

When I was 11 years old, the most respectable couple in my neighborhood was a retired man and wife in their 60's.

I was coming home from my jobat the corner store and a white police officer stopped me and asked me what I had stolen "out of that store." When I told him that I didn't steal, he got out of the car grabbed me by the neck and started to search me.

Mrs. Howell came on her porch and asked what was the matter, the other police officer pulled a gun and told her to get her black ass back in the house before he shot her and her dog. The dog was a miniature poodle named Dino.

My point is that, I live with a foot in both camps and for those that deny that there are very racist police officers is factually incorrect.
Further, I don't believe that anyone on this forum can cite where I or anyone has said that all police officers are racist. I see that as a deflection by certain people as an attempt to minimize the experiences of many minorities in this country.

Sharton and the mayor have never advocated that Police Officers be attacked, killed, harassed. They have said that the recurrung narrative of unarmed Black men killed at the hands of White police officers needs to be more thoroughly examined and the dynamics of police/minority contact.

Being an Police Officer is a difficult job and all Police Officers should not be police officers, they carry too much prejudice.
By the same token, being a minority subject to police stops and field investigations is difficult, especially if you know you have done no wrong.

Now there's the conservative narrative and frankly a lie, that sharpton called for Police Officers to be killed. I would never support that sentiment yet it seems some white/conservatives are more than happy to accept that blatant lie.

Seems that they need it in order to justify their prejudice.
The protestors were called looters, when a very small percentage of them were actually looting.
That was never a point news worthy because it would shed the protestors as more than "liberal" malcontents instead of people who genuinely see the problem in today's police/minority contact.

Mark, what you describe is awful... And as a white guy, Former Recon-Marine... I'm embarrassed for all of us that people would behave that way. It's inexcusable.

That said... Sharpton is a race hustling reprobate... who is every bit the embarrassment for the species that the white reprobates you describe, represent... this along with Jackson, Holder and the Peasantpimp of the Union States.

I feel terrible that the black culture has allowed these idiots to represent you. I live about as far south in the US as one can get and I don't know ANYONE who mistreats anyone because of the color of their skin... and that is ANYONE, speaking of those I know and associate with on a regular basis of EVERY COLOR.

We all feel bad that any of that crap ever went down... and I know you know that.

So... fuck the race hustlers and let's just get back to being people of various colors who laugh at the race hustlers like we did before the Brown-Clown was elected and took the place of the pasty-white clown who was 'The First Black Peasantpimp of the Union States.'

I for one am looking forward to seeing Ben Carson take the seat of the President of the United States. A brilliant man, who lives upon and through sound reasoning, set in strong unwavering principle... and who represents all Americans and from time to times lends a token nod to the Left, as credit for being present.

Then we can all sit back and enjoy the hell out of watching the Left LOOSE THEIR COLLECTIVE MINDS!

And on Friday Nights we'll take a drink every time one of 'em posts: 'Uncle Tom" or other such racial epithets upon an honorable man, doing a tough job well, who just happens to reflect a dark caramel hue... .

Hey, Ben is never going to make it.
I posted in another forum that I teach my children to treat individuals according to their actions and not their color, an idiot on the board told me that was naive.
It's difficult because we live in a climate where controversies over this and that are rampant.

We can agree to disagree about Sharpton and the Mayor of NY, I'm fine with that.
I can still agree with you and disagree with you on various issues because neither of us take the stand that every person of any group will think the same way.

One poster called my earlier post a rant, which simply goes back to what asclepias was saying. Some whites will fervently seek to state that the Black experience is a lie simply because they as a White person hasn't experienced it.

Those are the people that unfortunately scream the loudest today.

 

[Flash]

It is always comical to see the Liberals blame everything on either Bush or Fox News. They never take responsibility for their own actions.

Fox news is just as culpable as MSNBC/CNN/NBC/etc.

There are bad apples in each group, Flash.

But you don't see the Right blaming everything on MSNBC like you see the Libtards blaming everything on FOX.

If the Libtards can'[t blame Obama's failures on Bush then they go after Fox.

They control NBC, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, ABC, CBS, most newspapers and almost every college professor in the country but yet they still complain about Fox and Rush.

 

[Asclepias]

It is always comical to see the Liberals blame everything on either Bush or Fox News. They never take responsibility for their own actions.

Fox news is just as culpable as MSNBC/CNN/NBC/etc.

There are bad apples in each group, Flash.

But you don't see the Right blaming everything on MSNBC like you see the Libtards blaming everything on FOX.

If the Libtards can'[t blame Obama's failures on Bush then they go after Fox.

They control NBC, MSNBC, PBS, CNN, ABC, CBS, most newspapers and almost every college professor in the country but yet they still complain about Fox and Rush.

That was very amusing. You see the right blaming everything on MSNBC at least 10 times a day on this site. Funny thing is I dont even watch MSNBC.