Should Senate impeachment trial allow witnesses?

[Hutch Starskey]

The president was invited twice by the House to come testify and defend himself. He said no. Then whines he didn't get a chance to defend himself.

Bullshit!

The president would be allowed to defend himself if he gave up all his rights...including executive privilege!

No thanks!

Talk about making a joke of our nation, our government and our rule of law.

They haven't claimed executive privilege. The WH said they will not cooperate in any way and don't recognize the impeachment inquiry as valid.

That is plainly stated, willful obstruction.

 

[CWayne]

Not true. The democrats need only to wait for the courts do make a decision.

Why won't he let the witnesses speak?

This may be over your head, but there are more important issues here at stake than your lust to destroy Donald Trump.

The Executive Branch is independent and Equal to the Legislative Branch. The principle is not allowing the Legislative to subordinate the Executive.

The principle is to hide the truth. Why won't he let the witnesses speak?

Because the Congress does not get to run roughshod over the Whitehouse.

They can speak if the loses the court case. It is NOT obstruction to use the very system of checks and balances that were put into place to keep one branch from subverting the other.

Because the Congress does not get to run roughshod over the Whitehouse.

Subpoenas related to impeachment is not "running roughshod".

They are when they are based solely on politics and no evidence. Regardless, using the court to protect privilege is NOT obstrucdtion.

 

[CWayne]

So maybe the Dems should have gone to Court. They didn't! They lose in the Senate!

You’re setting a standard whereby any request of information to the executive will take at least two years to fulfill.

Is that what you want when there’s a Democratic President?

Yes.

I want clear lines of power and solid checks on them. Checks and Balances refer to the powers between branches of government. There are three co-equal branches.

The operative word is 'co-equal'.

Checks and balances, huh? Doesn’t seem like you want the president to have much of any check to me.

Of course, he has a check. It is called the Judiciary. Congress takes the President to court and if they are in the right, the court tells the President that he cannot stop the subpoena's. Or in this case, the Congress' lawyers argue that the President does not have Exec privilege and that the subpenas will be upheld or they will be denied.

That is how all this works. None of it, though, is obstruction.

The impeachment process is the sole authority of the legislature.

What does that have to do with the conversation? Impeachment does NOT give them the right to do as they please with the other branches of government.

 

[colfax_m]

You’re setting a standard whereby any request of information to the executive will take at least two years to fulfill.

Is that what you want when there’s a Democratic President?

Yes.

I want clear lines of power and solid checks on them. Checks and Balances refer to the powers between branches of government. There are three co-equal branches.

The operative word is 'co-equal'.

Checks and balances, huh? Doesn’t seem like you want the president to have much of any check to me.

Of course, he has a check. It is called the Judiciary. Congress takes the President to court and if they are in the right, the court tells the President that he cannot stop the subpoena's. Or in this case, the Congress' lawyers argue that the President does not have Exec privilege and that the subpenas will be upheld or they will be denied.

That is how all this works. None of it, though, is obstruction.

The impeachment process is the sole authority of the legislature.

What does that have to do with the conversation? Impeachment does NOT give them the right to do as they please with the other branches of government.

You’re claiming the judiciary has authority over the impeachment process. They do not.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

 

[Lakhota]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

House Dems only got "voluntary" witnesses. Trump blocked all the "key" witnesses.

 

[colfax_m]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

 

[Siete]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell created a predictable stir when he told Fox News host Sean Hannity that he would structure the impending impeachment trial of President Donald Trump in “total coordination with the White House counsel’s office.” He added, “There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this.”

trickle down obstruction -

 

[bripat9643]

Let's see, why would anyone in their right mind NOT want their associates to be put under oath and grilled by a howling mob out for blood?

Your deceitful lie does not change the fact that Trump has the choice of allowing the testimony of what his claims imply are witnesses who will exonerate him.

Trump claims he didn't do anything wrong.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

If the witnesses will exonerate him, why won't he let the witnesses speak?

"Your deceitful lie does not change the fact that Trump has the choice of allowing the testimony of what his claims imply are witnesses who will exonerate him"​

You neatly danced around the fact that the Repubs were not allowed to call the witnesses they wanted to call. That's dishonest. In other words, you're a douchebag.

The rules of the impeachment inquiry stated that the standard for witnesses was that they must be relevant to the proceedings. Not "witnesses they wanted to call".

Why do you believe anyone gives a shit about Adolph Schiffler's arbitrary, spur of the moment rules?

 

[bripat9643]

Not true. The democrats need only to wait for the courts do make a decision.

Why won't he let the witnesses speak?

This may be over your head, but there are more important issues here at stake than your lust to destroy Donald Trump.

The Executive Branch is independent and Equal to the Legislative Branch. The principle is not allowing the Legislative to subordinate the Executive.

The principle is to hide the truth. Why won't he let the witnesses speak?

Because the Congress does not get to run roughshod over the Whitehouse.

They can speak if the loses the court case. It is NOT obstruction to use the very system of checks and balances that were put into place to keep one branch from subverting the other.

Because the Congress does not get to run roughshod over the Whitehouse.

Subpoenas related to impeachment is not "running roughshod".

It is when Dims claim Republicans aren't allowed to appeal them to the courts.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

House Dems only got "voluntary" witnesses. Trump blocked all the "key" witnesses.

He knows the real score will come in the senate so why bother putting them out there?
Get ready to get your ass torn up the next go around.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

They weren't allowed to question the dems witnesses.

 

[CWayne]

Yes.

I want clear lines of power and solid checks on them. Checks and Balances refer to the powers between branches of government. There are three co-equal branches.

The operative word is 'co-equal'.

Checks and balances, huh? Doesn’t seem like you want the president to have much of any check to me.

Of course, he has a check. It is called the Judiciary. Congress takes the President to court and if they are in the right, the court tells the President that he cannot stop the subpoena's. Or in this case, the Congress' lawyers argue that the President does not have Exec privilege and that the subpenas will be upheld or they will be denied.

That is how all this works. None of it, though, is obstruction.

The impeachment process is the sole authority of the legislature.

What does that have to do with the conversation? Impeachment does NOT give them the right to do as they please with the other branches of government.

You’re claiming the judiciary has authority over the impeachment process. They do not.

They have the authority to declare which side is right. Congress cannot just subpoena the executive whenever they wish. The executive is separate and equal. Even if they are doing an impeachment, they have to show just cause for the subpoena because the executive has rights too.

 

[colfax_m]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

They weren't allowed to question the dems witnesses.

That’s false. Where do you guys come up with this?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

They weren't allowed to question the dems witnesses.

That’s false. Where do you guys come up with this?

I'll give you that one.
But where were the Republican witnesses?

 

[Lakhota]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

They weren't allowed to question the dems witnesses.

That’s false. Where do you guys come up with this?

I'll give you that one.
But where were the Republican witnesses?

You mean the Whistleblower, Joe and Hunter Biden? Funny...

 

[jc456]

79% of Democrats say YES.

72% of Independents say YES.

64% of Republicans say YES.

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

Impeachment: Poll finds most think Trump should let aides testify in Senate

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is requesting four witnesses: acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, former national security adviser John Bolton, senior adviser to the acting White House chief of staff Robert Blair and Office of Management and Budget official Michael Duffey.

Chuck Schumer requests four witnesses in impeachment Senate trial - CNN

Chuck Schumer is only requesting four witnesses. I think this is a fair and reasonable request - especially since most Americans, most Republicans, and most Independents want witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial. What do you think?

isn't that the job of the House? Didn't they bring in witnesses to testify? If they didn't bring in enough witnesses, then they shouldn't vote. Right?

 

[Dragonlady]

I would love to see obama & hillary placed under oath!

But what it's looking like is there will be a motion to dismiss (for lack of evidence) in the first 30 seconds...if it gets 51 votes (which it will) it's over.

Done in 10 minutes.

That won't happen. It would be political suicide for Republicans if they did such a thing. Their continued support for this corrupt and unhinged President is also political suicide. Americans really do want him gone. Did you not see the demonstrations?

 

[lantern2814]

Isn’t it cute how the idiot libtards here are essentially admitting they have no case and no evidence? So we need the members of the jury to do our job for us. Not the way it works. The House has to present their case based on their “evidence”. Nothing more. If Schitt failed that’s your problem.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Sure.
As long as they are the witnesses the Republicans want to put forth.
Dems shouldnt get jackshit for witnesses just like they did in congress to Republicans.

Republicans didn’t request any witnesses.

They weren't allowed to question the dems witnesses.

That’s false. Where do you guys come up with this?

I'll give you that one.
But where were the Republican witnesses?

You mean the Whistleblower, Joe and Hunter Biden? Funny...

They'll be called to the carpet when it hits the senate.
You guys have a tough row to hoe when the opposition has the ability to fight back and has the final say.
Good Luck.....okay thats a lie,I cant wait to see you dipshits get steamrolled in the senate.

I mean do you really believe this is going to end up being a success for dems?
Members of your own party are switching sides and Trumps numbers are going up.
I can see you dimwits have learned nothing since 2016.