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Does anyone here believe that on-duty soldiers should not be allowed to have firearms?
Should Soldiers Be Armed At Military Posts NPR
Should members of the military be allowed to carry guns on bases - CBS News
Chattanooga shootings Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military Fox News
If so, why?
There is a reason the military believes that to be a bad idea. The military puts a great deal of stress on many of those who serve, many of them being very young. On top of that, drug use in the military is quite high. Yes, they kick them out if they are on drugs, but sometimes it takes a while. I think having everyone armed on base would lead to more multiple shootings where our own soldiers just go off and lose it. I might be wrong, but I do think that this is the reasoning behind them not being permitted to carry firearms. In this most recent incident, I don't think it would have mattered as this guy was shooting from his car.
This is an absolutely bullshit liberal reply,
The truth is simple: urged by his military hating wife, Bill Clinton issued an executive order denying military personnel from carrying weapons on AND OFF base in 1992. Only security forces carry weapons and only a few of them are actually ready to fire! Most carry empty weapons with the clips in their belt pouches.
Get it right or shut up!
You get it right jackass. It was GH Bush who implemented this. It just didn't take affect until after Clinton took office. Do you have any more stupid comments to make?
The change is up to the DOD. It's their policy. How unfortunate for you that the US military are big fans of gun control...A lot, since the OP is blaming the wrong President and political party. He's also not man enough to admit that BTW...What difference does it make?This is an absolutely bullshit liberal reply,
The truth is simple: urged by his military hating wife, Bill Clinton issued an executive order denying military personnel from carrying weapons on AND OFF base in 1992. Only security forces carry weapons and only a few of them are actually ready to fire! Most carry empty weapons with the clips in their belt pouches.
Get it right or shut up!
You get it right jackass. It was GH Bush who implemented this. It just didn't take affect until after Clinton took office. Do you have any more stupid comments to make?
Yeah, he needs to blame obama and the democrats....since they actually had muslim terrorism happen at fort hood and still didn't change the policy....thanks for bringing up that point.
MP's could handle the job and already get the training.
I really like the fact that there are some gun-ho kick-assed soldiers that are really awesome when you hand them a weapon and point them in the direction of the enemy ... But giving them weapons and live ammunition to walk around in Times Square might not be the best idea.
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The DOD makes the decisions. Take it up with them.The change is up to the DOD. It's their policy. How unfortunate for you that the US military are big fans of gun control...A lot, since the OP is blaming the wrong President and political party. He's also not man enough to admit that BTW...What difference does it make?You get it right jackass. It was GH Bush who implemented this. It just didn't take affect until after Clinton took office. Do you have any more stupid comments to make?
Yeah, he needs to blame obama and the democrats....since they actually had muslim terrorism happen at fort hood and still didn't change the policy....thanks for bringing up that point.
Sad for all of our soldiers, sailors and marines who have been murdered without being able to defend themselves...of course the very people making that decision have armed, personal security......goody for them......
The DOD is who doesn't trust them there little friend. You know, the people they report to?MP's could handle the job and already get the training.
I really like the fact that there are some gun-ho kick-assed soldiers that are really awesome when you hand them a weapon and point them in the direction of the enemy ... But giving them weapons and live ammunition to walk around in Times Square might not be the best idea.
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Yes....having people who have taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and who have actual training is so much worse than the criminals who walk around with guns today. Why do you guys not trust these people? And yet...you are the ones who say only the police and military should have guns.......
The left are batshit crazy....
Go google yourself, Lester.The DOD makes the decisions. Take it up with them.The change is up to the DOD. It's their policy. How unfortunate for you that the US military are big fans of gun control...A lot, since the OP is blaming the wrong President and political party. He's also not man enough to admit that BTW...What difference does it make?
Yeah, he needs to blame obama and the democrats....since they actually had muslim terrorism happen at fort hood and still didn't change the policy....thanks for bringing up that point.
Sad for all of our soldiers, sailors and marines who have been murdered without being able to defend themselves...of course the very people making that decision have armed, personal security......goody for them......
For that to happen, THE Obama would have to use the words "Muslim" & "terrorist" too close together in a sentenceThe wake of the September 2013 fatal shooting of 12 people by a civilian military contractor who went on a rampage at Washington Navy Yard saw the recirculation of a rumor that gained currency after the November 2009 fatal shooting of 13 people by a U.S. Army psychiatrist at Fort Hood, Texas: that one of the reasons these mass shooters had not been stopped earlier in their killing sprees was because President Bill Clinton had issued an executive order back in 1993 that prohibited personnel on military bases from carrying firearms while on duty.
While there was at least a small kernel of real information underlying such claims, the gist of the rumor was wrong on two major counts.
It was during the presidency of George H.W. Bush, not Bill Clinton, that the U.S. Department of Defense issued a directive in February 1992 affecting the carrying of firearms on bases by military personnel. That directive was eventually implemented through a regulation 190-14 issued by the Department of the Army (not via executive order) in March 1993, just two months after President Clinton assumed office.
Additionally, that change in regulations (which applied only to the Army, not other branches of the U.S. armed forces) did not ban the carrying of weapons by soldiers on Army bases; rather, it restricted the authorization to carry firearms to personnel engaged in law enforcement and security duties, and to personnel stationed at facilities where there was "a reasonable expectation that life or Army assets would be jeopardized if firearms were not carried":
a. The authorization to carry firearms will be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or Department of the Army (DA) assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried. Evaluation of the necessity to carry a firearm will be made considering this expectation weighed against the possible consequences of accidental or indiscriminate use of firearms.
b. DA personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties will be armed.
c. DA personnel are authorized to carry firearms while engaged in security duties, protecting personnel and vital Government assets, or guarding prisoners.
snopes.com Clinton Disarmed Soldiers on Military Bases
And after the Fort Hood shootings, both of them and the Navy Yard shooting, obama still has not changed the policy, and since neither bush or clinton, the serial rapist, had actually incidents of muslim terrorism to consider and obama does, it falls on obama, not them.
I think the key factors in allowing citizens (not just police and military) to be armed if they so choose are a background devoid of any reasonable cause for denial, such as history of violent or felonious conduct, and completion of a rigorous training program emphasizing constraint and penalties for misuse and careless handling.
By rigorous I mean something similar to the firearms training police receive -- but with much greater emphasis on laws and regulations. I predict that a substantial percentage of those civilians who enroll in such training would change their minds about wanting to carry a gun. Those who complete the training would be effectively constrained in their handling and disposition re: use.
I believe the vast majority of gun accidents and misuse are a direct result of ignorance, a condition which is remediable by effective training. Too many Americans who own guns know nothing more about them than what they learn from movies, television, and friends who don't know what they are talking about.
Re: military personnel who are required to wear a uniform in public; denying them the right to be armed is an outrage under the existing potential for terrorist attacks.
I think the key factors in allowing citizens (not just police and military) to be armed if they so choose are a background devoid of any reasonable cause for denial, such as history of violent or felonious conduct, and completion of a rigorous training program emphasizing constraint and penalties for misuse and careless handling.
By rigorous I mean something similar to the firearms training police receive -- but with much greater emphasis on laws and regulations. I predict that a substantial percentage of those civilians who enroll in such training would change their minds about wanting to carry a gun. Those who complete the training would be effectively constrained in their handling and disposition re: use.
I believe the vast majority of gun accidents and misuse are a direct result of ignorance, a condition which is remediable by effective training. Too many Americans who own guns know nothing more about them than what they learn from movies, television, and friends who don't know what they are talking about.
Re: military personnel who are required to wear a uniform in public; denying them the right to be armed is an outrage under the existing potential for terrorist attacks.
Which country?Why do we care who must be armed and who must not? Are we looking for a proper balance when people stop killing each other?
However I prefer nobody not to have a weapon in this country. Soldiers kill, criminals kill and cops kill. I do not see any difference.
Why do we care who must be armed and who must not? Are we looking for a proper balance when people stop killing each other?
However I prefer nobody not to have a weapon in this country. Soldiers kill, criminals kill and cops kill. I do not see any difference.
Yes....having people who have taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and who have actual training is so much worse than the criminals who walk around with guns today. Why do you guys not trust these people? And yet...you are the ones who say only the police and military should have guns.......
The left are batshit crazy....
..Duh,Does anyone here believe that on-duty soldiers should not be allowed to have firearms?
Should Soldiers Be Armed At Military Posts NPR
Should members of the military be allowed to carry guns on bases - CBS News
Chattanooga shootings Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military Fox News
If so, why?
There is a reason the military believes that to be a bad idea. The military puts a great deal of stress on many of those who serve, many of them being very young. On top of that, drug use in the military is quite high. Yes, they kick them out if they are on drugs, but sometimes it takes a while. I think having everyone armed on base would lead to more multiple shootings where our own soldiers just go off and lose it. I might be wrong, but I do think that this is the reasoning behind them not being permitted to carry firearms. In this most recent incident, I don't think it would have mattered as this guy was shooting from his car.
This is an absolutely bullshit liberal reply,
The truth is simple: urged by his military hating wife, Bill Clinton issued an executive order denying military personnel from carrying weapons on AND OFF base in 1992. Only security forces carry weapons and only a few of them are actually ready to fire! Most carry empty weapons with the clips in their belt pouches.
Get it right or shut up!
You get it right jackass. It was GH Bush who implemented this. It just didn't take affect until after Clinton took office. Do you have any more stupid comments to make?
And since obama is the only one who actually had a muslim attack on an American military installation inside the United States, revealing a level of vulnerability the other Presidents didn't have.....and still has refused to change the policy, it is on him.
Does anyone here believe that on-duty soldiers should not be allowed to have firearms?
Should Soldiers Be Armed At Military Posts NPR
Should members of the military be allowed to carry guns on bases - CBS News
Chattanooga shootings Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military Fox News
If so, why?
An obvious case of of the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war.
