Should soldiers be armed?

[Moonglow]

Yes....having people who have taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and who have actual training is so much worse than the criminals who walk around with guns today. Why do you guys not trust these people? And yet...you are the ones who say only the police and military should have guns.......

The left are batshit crazy....

Get over yourself Peanut ... I am more Conservative than you will ever be and a veteran.
Which is probably why I wouldn't trust every soldier with a firearm in a civilian situation ... Boot Camp is not the Police Academy.

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It's more like Animal House sans the booze..

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

An obvious case of of the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war.

The downing was a stinging blow to the lauded, tight-knit SEAL Team 6, months after its crowning achievement. It was also a heavy setback for the U.S.-led coalition as it begins to draw down thousands of combat troops fighting what has become an increasingly costly and unpopular war.

You can go rip on your own goat fucking camel jockeys and leave American Service Personnel out of your fucking rants ...........

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Tell em Johns, you an Islamic propaganda spreader, you come to talk shit about our service men and look for an ignorant recruit for that empty suicide vest ..................

 

[pwjohn]

An obvious case of of the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war.

You failed to source that 12 yr old fucking quote ....................

Your relevance ??


Fucking Islamic faggot .............

Copter shot down, killing 30 US troops, 7 Afghans

My oh my, such anger..Show me your rage

 

[pwjohn]

An obvious case of of the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war.

The downing was a stinging blow to the lauded, tight-knit SEAL Team 6, months after its crowning achievement. It was also a heavy setback for the U.S.-led coalition as it begins to draw down thousands of combat troops fighting what has become an increasingly costly and unpopular war.

You can go rip on your own goat fucking camel jockeys and leave American Service Personnel out of your fucking rants ...........

With the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform, I feel compelled to speak of for them..Such as the 5 men just killed at another military recruiting center terrorist attack

Blowhards like you must think it's ok to unnecessarily waste the lives of our troops

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

An obvious case of of the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war.

The downing was a stinging blow to the lauded, tight-knit SEAL Team 6, months after its crowning achievement. It was also a heavy setback for the U.S.-led coalition as it begins to draw down thousands of combat troops fighting what has become an increasingly costly and unpopular war.

You can go rip on your own goat fucking camel jockeys and leave American Service Personnel out of your fucking rants ...........

With the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform, I feel compelled to speak of for them..Such as the 5 men just killed at another military recruiting center terrorist attack

Blowhards like you must think it's ok to unnecessarily waste the lives of our troops

Yes they were shot by one of those mental retards you xxxxxxx indoctrinated ...................

Your fucking mentally retarded puppet shot and killed those service men, had nothing to do with our military or their actions or inaction.

We live in a civilized society over here and at some point and time it was decided armed guards reflected badly on our society.

After all, most of our residents are non violent, there are no armed waring factions in our streets.

Of course only a cowardly, dick sucking Islamic faggot would brutally shoot and kill 4 un armed men who were simply doing their jobs.

 

[mudwhistle]

Does anyone here believe that on-duty soldiers should not be allowed to have firearms?

Should Soldiers Be Armed At Military Posts NPR
Should members of the military be allowed to carry guns on bases - CBS News
Chattanooga shootings Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military Fox News

If so, why?

There is a reason the military believes that to be a bad idea. The military puts a great deal of stress on many of those who serve, many of them being very young. On top of that, drug use in the military is quite high. Yes, they kick them out if they are on drugs, but sometimes it takes a while. I think having everyone armed on base would lead to more multiple shootings where our own soldiers just go off and lose it. I might be wrong, but I do think that this is the reasoning behind them not being permitted to carry firearms. In this most recent incident, I don't think it would have mattered as this guy was shooting from his car.

As long as to right people get shot what do you care.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren’t Armed on Military Bases — and It’s Not Clinton’s Fault
Sep. 17, 2013 5:30pm Oliver Darcy
Monday’s deadly shooting at the Washington Navy Yard has renewed interest in why most military personnel are forbidden from carrying firearms on military bases. In the aftermath, some have pointed fingers at former President Bill Clinton, but is he really to blame?

Not according to what we found.

The question of why military members aren’t armed on base garnered attention back in November 2009 when Army Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at Ft. Hood and killed 13 people. He was sentenced to death on August 28. Now, nearly four years later, many are asking the same question.

So what’s the answer? It appears this “gun-free zone” type policy can actually be traced back to Department of Defense (DoD) Directive 5210.56, signed into effect in February 1992 by Donald J. Atwood, deputy secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush.

WASHINGTON, DC – SEPTEMBER 17: A police officer stands guard at the front gate of the Washington Naval Yard September 17, 2013 in Washington, DC. Yesterday a defense contractor named Aaron Alexis allegedly killed at least 13 people during a shooting rampage at the Navy Yard before being killed by police. (Credit: Getty Images)

The controversial directive states that “it is DoD Policy” to “limit and control the carrying of firearms by DoD military and civilian personnel.”

“The authorization to carry firearms shall be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or DoD assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried,” it says.

The policy, however, adds, “DoD personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties shall be armed.” A former member of the Air Force, with experience in base security, thus, told the Washington Post that he would guess there were “no more than a couple of dozen weapons on the Navy Yard.”

It appears DoD Directive 5210.56 was reissued in April 2011 by Deputy Secretary of Defense William J. Lynn III.

Some outlets are citing Army Regulation 190-14, a policy implemented in 1993 that changed policy regarding carrying firearms on the Army’s military bases, to cast blame on Clinton.

However, that policy specifically notes part of its purpose is aimed at implementing “applicable portions of Department of Defense Directive 5210.56,” which, as previously stated, was put into effect by Bush Sr.’s deputy secretary of defense:


Army regulation 190-14 actually implements a policy put in under George H.W. Bush, meaning Bill Clinton is not responsible for a lack of armed personnel on military bases. Additionally, the DoD told TheBlaze the Army regulation wouldn’t apply to other branches of the military like the Navy. (Source: Army regulation 190-14)

Further, DoD spokesman Mark Wright told TheBlaze Army Regulation 190-14 would not apply to other bases under different branches of the military, including the site of Monday’s shooting, Washington Navy Yard.

“No, it would not apply,” he said Tuesday afternoon.

Steven Bucci, a military expert for The Heritage Foundation who served 28 years in the Army and retired in 2005 with the rank of colonel, also told TheBlaze Tuesday afternoon that Clinton is not to blame.

“I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking to put blame on someone for disarming the military,” said Bucci, when asked if Clinton was responsible. “I think that’s kind of a bogus story.”

“We have never had our soldiers walking around with weapons all the time, other than in combat zones,” he added, noting only Military Police have had that authority.

TheBlaze reached out to members of both the Senate and House Armed Services Committee to see if the policy will be revisited in light of Monday’s shooting. At the time of publication, no one was available for comment.
This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren t Armed on Military Bases and It s Not Clinton s Fault TheBlaze.com

 

[mudwhistle]

This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren’t Armed on Military Bases — and It’s Not Clinton’s Fault
Sep. 17, 2013 5:30pm Oliver Darcy
Monday’s deadly shooting at the Washington Navy Yard has renewed interest in why most military personnel are forbidden from carrying firearms on military bases. In the aftermath, some have pointed fingers at former President Bill Clinton, but is he really to blame?

Not according to what we found.

The question of why military members aren’t armed on base garnered attention back in November 2009 when Army Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at Ft. Hood and killed 13 people. He was sentenced to death on August 28. Now, nearly four years later, many are asking the same question.

So what’s the answer? It appears this “gun-free zone” type policy can actually be traced back to Department of Defense (DoD) Directive 5210.56, signed into effect in February 1992 by Donald J. Atwood, deputy secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush.

WASHINGTON, DC – SEPTEMBER 17: A police officer stands guard at the front gate of the Washington Naval Yard September 17, 2013 in Washington, DC. Yesterday a defense contractor named Aaron Alexis allegedly killed at least 13 people during a shooting rampage at the Navy Yard before being killed by police. (Credit: Getty Images)

The controversial directive states that “it is DoD Policy” to “limit and control the carrying of firearms by DoD military and civilian personnel.”

“The authorization to carry firearms shall be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or DoD assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried,” it says.

The policy, however, adds, “DoD personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties shall be armed.” A former member of the Air Force, with experience in base security, thus, told the Washington Post that he would guess there were “no more than a couple of dozen weapons on the Navy Yard.”

It appears DoD Directive 5210.56 was reissued in April 2011 by Deputy Secretary of Defense William J. Lynn III.

Some outlets are citing Army Regulation 190-14, a policy implemented in 1993 that changed policy regarding carrying firearms on the Army’s military bases, to cast blame on Clinton.

However, that policy specifically notes part of its purpose is aimed at implementing “applicable portions of Department of Defense Directive 5210.56,” which, as previously stated, was put into effect by Bush Sr.’s deputy secretary of defense:


Army regulation 190-14 actually implements a policy put in under George H.W. Bush, meaning Bill Clinton is not responsible for a lack of armed personnel on military bases. Additionally, the DoD told TheBlaze the Army regulation wouldn’t apply to other branches of the military like the Navy. (Source: Army regulation 190-14)

Further, DoD spokesman Mark Wright told TheBlaze Army Regulation 190-14 would not apply to other bases under different branches of the military, including the site of Monday’s shooting, Washington Navy Yard.

“No, it would not apply,” he said Tuesday afternoon.

Steven Bucci, a military expert for The Heritage Foundation who served 28 years in the Army and retired in 2005 with the rank of colonel, also told TheBlaze Tuesday afternoon that Clinton is not to blame.

“I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking to put blame on someone for disarming the military,” said Bucci, when asked if Clinton was responsible. “I think that’s kind of a bogus story.”

“We have never had our soldiers walking around with weapons all the time, other than in combat zones,” he added, noting only Military Police have had that authority.

TheBlaze reached out to members of both the Senate and House Armed Services Committee to see if the policy will be revisited in light of Monday’s shooting. At the time of publication, no one was available for comment.
This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren t Armed on Military Bases and It s Not Clinton s Fault TheBlaze.com

So your point is....unarmed soldiers are easier to kill?

 

[mudwhistle]

My question is this......If they're prone to shooting each other...why aren't they doing it overseas????

 

[Katzndogz]

Should the military be armed when on the battlefield?

They are being attacked in this country making the United States a battlefield.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren’t Armed on Military Bases — and It’s Not Clinton’s Fault
Sep. 17, 2013 5:30pm Oliver Darcy
Monday’s deadly shooting at the Washington Navy Yard has renewed interest in why most military personnel are forbidden from carrying firearms on military bases. In the aftermath, some have pointed fingers at former President Bill Clinton, but is he really to blame?

Not according to what we found.

The question of why military members aren’t armed on base garnered attention back in November 2009 when Army Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at Ft. Hood and killed 13 people. He was sentenced to death on August 28. Now, nearly four years later, many are asking the same question.

So what’s the answer? It appears this “gun-free zone” type policy can actually be traced back to Department of Defense (DoD) Directive 5210.56, signed into effect in February 1992 by Donald J. Atwood, deputy secretary of defense under President George H.W. Bush.

WASHINGTON, DC – SEPTEMBER 17: A police officer stands guard at the front gate of the Washington Naval Yard September 17, 2013 in Washington, DC. Yesterday a defense contractor named Aaron Alexis allegedly killed at least 13 people during a shooting rampage at the Navy Yard before being killed by police. (Credit: Getty Images)

The controversial directive states that “it is DoD Policy” to “limit and control the carrying of firearms by DoD military and civilian personnel.”

“The authorization to carry firearms shall be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or DoD assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried,” it says.

The policy, however, adds, “DoD personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties shall be armed.” A former member of the Air Force, with experience in base security, thus, told the Washington Post that he would guess there were “no more than a couple of dozen weapons on the Navy Yard.”

It appears DoD Directive 5210.56 was reissued in April 2011 by Deputy Secretary of Defense William J. Lynn III.

Some outlets are citing Army Regulation 190-14, a policy implemented in 1993 that changed policy regarding carrying firearms on the Army’s military bases, to cast blame on Clinton.

However, that policy specifically notes part of its purpose is aimed at implementing “applicable portions of Department of Defense Directive 5210.56,” which, as previously stated, was put into effect by Bush Sr.’s deputy secretary of defense:


Army regulation 190-14 actually implements a policy put in under George H.W. Bush, meaning Bill Clinton is not responsible for a lack of armed personnel on military bases. Additionally, the DoD told TheBlaze the Army regulation wouldn’t apply to other branches of the military like the Navy. (Source: Army regulation 190-14)

Further, DoD spokesman Mark Wright told TheBlaze Army Regulation 190-14 would not apply to other bases under different branches of the military, including the site of Monday’s shooting, Washington Navy Yard.

“No, it would not apply,” he said Tuesday afternoon.

Steven Bucci, a military expert for The Heritage Foundation who served 28 years in the Army and retired in 2005 with the rank of colonel, also told TheBlaze Tuesday afternoon that Clinton is not to blame.

“I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking to put blame on someone for disarming the military,” said Bucci, when asked if Clinton was responsible. “I think that’s kind of a bogus story.”

“We have never had our soldiers walking around with weapons all the time, other than in combat zones,” he added, noting only Military Police have had that authority.

TheBlaze reached out to members of both the Senate and House Armed Services Committee to see if the policy will be revisited in light of Monday’s shooting. At the time of publication, no one was available for comment.
This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren t Armed on Military Bases and It s Not Clinton s Fault TheBlaze.com

So your point is....unarmed soldiers are easier to kill?

More like a definitive answer for why there are no arms.

Before you can find a viable solution, you must first identify and understand the problem.

No one's bashing presidents, those actions are in the past, let's look to the future to prevent these types of tragedies.

 

[pwjohn]

An obvious case of of the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden, as well as seven Afghan commandos, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war.

The downing was a stinging blow to the lauded, tight-knit SEAL Team 6, months after its crowning achievement. It was also a heavy setback for the U.S.-led coalition as it begins to draw down thousands of combat troops fighting what has become an increasingly costly and unpopular war.

You can go rip on your own goat fucking camel jockeys and leave American Service Personnel out of your fucking rants ...........

With the military wasting the lives of our men & women in uniform, I feel compelled to speak of for them..Such as the 5 men just killed at another military recruiting center terrorist attack

Blowhards like you must think it's ok to unnecessarily waste the lives of our troops

Yes they were shot by one of those mental retards you camel fuckers indoctrinated ...................

Your fucking mentally retarded puppet shot and killed those service men, had nothing to do with our military or their actions or inaction.

We live in a civilized society over here and at some point and time it was decided armed guards reflected badly on our society.

After all, most of our residents are non violent, there are no armed waring factions in our streets.

Of course only a cowardly, dick sucking Islamic faggot would brutally shoot and kill 4 un armed men who were simply doing their jobs.

That was 5 men shot & killed you fucking idiot. Not 4 as you claim

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

That was 5 men shot & killed you fucking idiot. Not 4 as you claim

Look you XXXXXXXXXXXXX actual victims shot would total 7.

He SHOT & KILLED 4 @ the scene.

1 dies later in the hospital and 2 more are still in the hospital.

Of course you are busy being a nasty little dick licker and trying to make me look stupid while the whole time getting bitch punked out.

[Snip]
Chattanooga, Tennessee (CNN)U.S. Navy Petty Officer Randall Smith, wounded in a shooting rampage in Tennessee, died early Saturday, according to a family member. He is the fifth American service member killed in the attack.

Darlene Proxmire, Smith's step-grandmother, said the logistics specialist was shot in the attack at the Navy Operational Support Center in Chattanooga. It was one of two military sites in the city that were targeted by a gunman Thursday.

The U.S. Navy confirmed the death, saying Smith died at 2:17 a.m.

Smith saw the shooter and warned people around him, according to family members. But he was unable to get away. Smith was shot in the liver, colon and stomach, said his grandmother, Linda Wallace.

Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez opened fire, shooting seven people, including four Marines who died that day.

The two surviving wounded are a Marine recruiter who was shot in the leg and a responding Chattanooga police officer, Dennis Pedigo, who was shot in the ankle.

Chattanooga shooting Fifth service member dies - CNN.com

 

[Asclepias]

Does anyone here believe that on-duty soldiers should not be allowed to have firearms?

Should Soldiers Be Armed At Military Posts NPR
Should members of the military be allowed to carry guns on bases - CBS News
Chattanooga shootings Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military Fox News

If so, why?

Not on US soil unless they are on guard duty. There are too many unstable people in the military.

 

[Obiwan]

Asclepias

Wrong... Mentally unstable people tend to get thrown out of the military...

Or they don't join in the first place (Libs).

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yes

 

[Asclepias]

Asclepias

Wrong... Mentally unstable people tend to get thrown out of the military...

Or they don't join in the first place (Libs).

Wrong. I was in the military with some nutcases. I observed them first hand.

 

[Ravi]

Does anyone here believe that on-duty soldiers should not be allowed to have firearms?

Should Soldiers Be Armed At Military Posts NPR
Should members of the military be allowed to carry guns on bases - CBS News
Chattanooga shootings Why should we make it easy for killers to attack our military Fox News

If so, why?

There is a reason the military believes that to be a bad idea. The military puts a great deal of stress on many of those who serve, many of them being very young. On top of that, drug use in the military is quite high. Yes, they kick them out if they are on drugs, but sometimes it takes a while. I think having everyone armed on base would lead to more multiple shootings where our own soldiers just go off and lose it. I might be wrong, but I do think that this is the reasoning behind them not being permitted to carry firearms. In this most recent incident, I don't think it would have mattered as this guy was shooting from his car.

This is an absolutely bullshit liberal reply,

The truth is simple: urged by his military hating wife, Bill Clinton issued an executive order denying military personnel from carrying weapons on AND OFF base in 1992. Only security forces carry weapons and only a few of them are actually ready to fire! Most carry empty weapons with the clips in their belt pouches.

Get it right or shut up!

Clinton wasn't president in 1992 dumbass. The person that made that law was George H. W. Bush.

It's a laugh riot watching you nits try to shut down people with false information.

 

[Obiwan]

Asclepias

Wrong... Mentally unstable people tend to get thrown out of the military...

Or they don't join in the first place (Libs).

Wrong. I was in the military with some nutcases. I observed them first hand.

We ain't exactly talking about arming ISIS here, boy. We're talking about arming OUR military.