Should we make the corporate tax rate 0%?

[HelenaHandbag]

We should push thru the Fair Tax Act. If we were to fund the federal gov't strictly by a consumption tax, our economy would recover and bloom into the most robust in the world.

No way.

That scheme still funds the federal pig at its current rate, with all of its foolish and unconstitutional welfare programs, both corporate and individual, in place.

We don't have the wrong tax structure fleecing the people, we have way to damn much government.

We spend billions trying to minimize our taxes, figure out our taxes, cover our ass paying taxes, and trying to navigate the insane system we have in place.

To claim we don't have the wrong tax structure is ridiculous. Look up what we spend on tax compliance. Not what we pay in taxes, but what we spend to pay our taxes.

None of that addresses the real problem: immense, and exorbitantly expensive big government.

Coming up with a new scam to directly tax the people does nothing to change that.

 

[Toro]

The corporate tax rate is why we have a $17 trillion national debt.

False. Spending more than we take in is why we have a $17 trillion national debt.
Duh dude. Not taxing the corporations and the rich means they're not taking in as much as they spend.

The future is monopolies, not free market

Monopolies are illegal under anti-trust laws

Get real dude. Big oil is a monopoly. There are numerous companies, but they're all in cahoots with each other. And they torpedo all efforts to create alternative energies. The airlines are the same way. Insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and military contractors all do it too. It's called price fixing, a monopoly by any other name.

That's silly.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

The corporate tax rate is why we have a $17 trillion national debt.

Fiddlesticks. The debt is a product of excessive spending. Period.

Nonsense. Over 85% of income taxes are paid by the top 25% of earners.

Comcast just bought Time Warner cable for $45 billion, to get rid of the competition, so they could charge raise everyone's rates. The future is monopolies, not free market. Soon it will be called the CORPORATE STATES OF AMERICA, where 98% of the people are slaves to pay the national debt.

What have progressives done to stop this? I mean besides nothing.

You are not paying attention. The national debt didn't start exploding until Raygun lowered tax rates for corporations and the rich. But yes he also tripled the national debt with military spending. Shrub Jr. added $3 trillion with more tax cuts for the rich. Then added another $3 trillion with more military spending for the Iraq/Afghan wars. He also destroyed the economy with Ponzi schemes in real estate and Wall Street banks, which Obama has been spending to recover from. Shrub Jr. left Obama with a $1.2 trillion annual deficit. Over the past five years Obama has brought the U.S. back from a recession caused the the cons, that would have rivaled the GREAT DEPRESSION caused by the cons again, and cut the deficit in half.

Obama has also ended the Iraq war, killed the perp of 9/11 and provided healthcare to 4 million, soon to be 6 million Americans. The cons attempt to smear the office of the president only proves they are anti-American. They also try to get the people of this country to hate their government. Destroying peoples confidence in their country only destroys the country. The republicans are Al Qaeda's best friend.

Oh, brother.

 

[hangover]

Fiddlesticks. The debt is a product of excessive spending. Period.

Nonsense. Over 85% of income taxes are paid by the top 25% of earners.


What have progressives done to stop this? I mean besides nothing.

You are not paying attention. The national debt didn't start exploding until Raygun lowered tax rates for corporations and the rich. But yes he also tripled the national debt with military spending. Shrub Jr. added $3 trillion with more tax cuts for the rich. Then added another $3 trillion with more military spending for the Iraq/Afghan wars. He also destroyed the economy with Ponzi schemes in real estate and Wall Street banks, which Obama has been spending to recover from. Shrub Jr. left Obama with a $1.2 trillion annual deficit. Over the past five years Obama has brought the U.S. back from a recession caused the the cons, that would have rivaled the GREAT DEPRESSION caused by the cons again, and cut the deficit in half.

Obama has also ended the Iraq war, killed the perp of 9/11 and provided healthcare to 4 million, soon to be 6 million Americans. The cons attempt to smear the office of the president only proves they are anti-American. They also try to get the people of this country to hate their government. Destroying peoples confidence in their country only destroys the country. The republicans are Al Qaeda's best friend.

Oh, brother.

Yep, that's all the cons got. Just roll your eyes because you can't dispute it.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Corporations made a record $824 billion in profits last year as well, while the stock market has had one of its best performances since 1900 while Obama has been in office.

Meanwhile, workers are getting the short end of the stick. As CNN Money explained, “a separate government reading shows that total wages have now fallen to a record low of 43.5% of GDP. Until 1975, wages almost always accounted for at least half of GDP, and had been as high as 49% as recently as early 2001.”
Corporate Profits Hit Record High While Worker Wages Hit Record Low | ThinkProgress

So if all corporate profits were taxed at 100% it wouldn't even pay the interest on the national debt. So the national debt would still never go down. Corporate business has created a Ponzi scheme that has already destroyed America.

Cry more scrub

 

[HelenaHandbag]

You are not paying attention. The national debt didn't start exploding until Raygun lowered tax rates for corporations and the rich. But yes he also tripled the national debt with military spending. Shrub Jr. added $3 trillion with more tax cuts for the rich. Then added another $3 trillion with more military spending for the Iraq/Afghan wars. He also destroyed the economy with Ponzi schemes in real estate and Wall Street banks, which Obama has been spending to recover from. Shrub Jr. left Obama with a $1.2 trillion annual deficit. Over the past five years Obama has brought the U.S. back from a recession caused the the cons, that would have rivaled the GREAT DEPRESSION caused by the cons again, and cut the deficit in half.

Obama has also ended the Iraq war, killed the perp of 9/11 and provided healthcare to 4 million, soon to be 6 million Americans. The cons attempt to smear the office of the president only proves they are anti-American. They also try to get the people of this country to hate their government. Destroying peoples confidence in their country only destroys the country. The republicans are Al Qaeda's best friend.

Oh, brother.

Yep, that's all the cons got. Just roll your eyes because you can't dispute it.

I quit dissecting the hallucinations of progressive Koolaid snorters awhile ago.

Claiming that everything is the fault of republicans and zero blame goes to progressives is as detached from anything resembling reality as you can get. Therefore, all your deluded ramblings are worth is a dismissive OH BROTHER!

 

[RandomVariable]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Get real dude. Big oil is a monopoly.

I suggest you look up the definition of monopoly

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You are not paying attention. The national debt didn't start exploding until Raygun lowered tax rates for corporations and the rich. But yes he also tripled the national debt with military spending. Shrub Jr. added $3 trillion with more tax cuts for the rich. Then added another $3 trillion with more military spending for the Iraq/Afghan wars. He also destroyed the economy with Ponzi schemes in real estate and Wall Street banks, which Obama has been spending to recover from. Shrub Jr. left Obama with a $1.2 trillion annual deficit. Over the past five years Obama has brought the U.S. back from a recession caused the the cons, that would have rivaled the GREAT DEPRESSION caused by the cons again, and cut the deficit in half.

Obama has also ended the Iraq war, killed the perp of 9/11 and provided healthcare to 4 million, soon to be 6 million Americans. The cons attempt to smear the office of the president only proves they are anti-American. They also try to get the people of this country to hate their government. Destroying peoples confidence in their country only destroys the country. The republicans are Al Qaeda's best friend.

Oh, brother.

Yep, that's all the cons got. Just roll your eyes because you can't dispute it.

No, they just don't feel like wasting their time arguing with stupid.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Police, fire, EMS services and schools are local, not federal. Roads are paid for by fuel taxes, licensing and registration fees.

Care to take another stab at it?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

They are talking about federal income tax, not state and local, which provides the bulk of funding for the examples you raise.

 

[Redfish]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

first the things you listed are paid with state and local taxes, not federal

second, the "corporations are people" bullshit just proves your ignorance. Corporations are declared legal "persons" in order to protect employees and shareholders from personal liability for the acts of the corporation.

Ignorance abounds in the liberal mind.

 

[jasonnfree]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Don't forget the taxpayer provided military that ensures american corporations can operate in areas of the world that would be otherwise unsafe for them such as the middle east. Pure corporate socialism. Start billing corporations per hour for military services.

 

[racewright]

Couple of problems. You forget businesses corporate or not are only about making money.

This you should accept, but do not. Libs believe Businesses are there to provide jobs.
Not so, and all expenses are put on to the consumer plain and simple. They are not going to give up there profits for John Q public under any circumstances this is why they went into business in the first place.

Some how this has been lost in the USA to the belief that the Government owns all the businesses. Oh my God could you possibly live in a country that all business was owned by the Government. Oh many times businesses that can go to another country does mainly because of government interference .
As you should understand and some how do not Taxes are a business expense that gets added to the overhead line in all businesses, why do you not understand this. Do you really think businesses just pay taxes out of the kindness of there hearts, hardly.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Don't forget the taxpayer provided military that ensures corporations can operate in areas of the world that would be otherwise unsafe for them. Start billing them per hour for military services.

Well, there are many of us who would be perfectly happy with a vastly smaller military footprint about the globe.

That aside, which corporations are operating in which unsafe countries?

 

[racewright]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Don't forget the taxpayer provided military that ensures american corporations can operate in areas of the world that would be otherwise unsafe for them such as the middle east. Pure corporate socialism. Start billing corporations per hour for military services.

Asshole businesses are already making John Q public pay there expenses and now you want them to pay more...This is the reason no one who has not had a business should be allowed to hold public office----Zero understanding of how business works, Christ.

 

[jasonnfree]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

first the things you listed are paid with state and local taxes, not federal

second, the "corporations are people" bullshit just proves your ignorance. Corporations are declared legal "persons" in order to protect employees and shareholders from personal liability for the acts of the corporation.

Ignorance abounds in the liberal mind.

corporations had this protection before the supreme court declared them citizens a couple years ago. That supreme court decision enables them to interfere in politics even more than before with unlimited money. Why do you defend corporations that can operate in America and declare Ireland or the caiman islands as their residence for tax purposes? Or pay less than minimum wage by putting their plants in foreign countries? We 2nd class citizens can't do that.

 

[Darkwind]

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I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Don't forget the taxpayer provided military that ensures american corporations can operate in areas of the world that would be otherwise unsafe for them such as the middle east. Pure corporate socialism. Start billing corporations per hour for military services.

Yet, here you are, living in one of the safest places on the planet. I thinplk we need to bill you triple..stupidity has its price.

 

[jasonnfree]

I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Don't forget the taxpayer provided military that ensures american corporations can operate in areas of the world that would be otherwise unsafe for them such as the middle east. Pure corporate socialism. Start billing corporations per hour for military services.

Asshole businesses are already making John Q public pay there expenses and now you want them to pay more...This is the reason no one who has not had a business should be allowed to hold public office----Zero understanding of how business works, Christ.

I have zero understanding of what you're talking about.

 

[jasonnfree]

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I'm fine with that. Off course corporations would have to demonstrate that they receive no benefits from the country they operate in; police, fire, 'freedom isn't free', etc, etc. Does that mean the corporations pay for their employee's kid's school? Pay for employee's use of the highway to and from work. wait... Maybe corporations not paying taxes is just a stupid idea. I have a better idea. Since corporations are people why don't we tax them at 35% like most of the rest of us.

Don't forget the taxpayer provided military that ensures american corporations can operate in areas of the world that would be otherwise unsafe for them such as the middle east. Pure corporate socialism. Start billing corporations per hour for military services.

Yet, here you are, living in one of the safest places on the planet. I thinplk we need to bill you triple..stupidity has its price.

You're not addressing anything I've said. Probably you lack the ability to, but you feel the need to respond so you start with the name calling routine. How juvenile.