Silly Trump and his wire tap paranoia

What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.

I agree.

As I've said before:

You can't cure stupid.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
But the NYT is fake news. Get a legitimate source.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.

I agree.

As I've said before:

You can't cure stupid.
Yes, but do not fear, it is not fatal.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
If this is true, why does Trump not just point to the NYT as proof?
 
Trump gets on twitter and spews some bullshit, Russian-Wingers buy it 100%

then totally ignore the facts countless times when Trumps BULLSHIT is proven to be BULLSHIT.


the resolve of Russan-Winger-Trumpbots to prove they are the dumbest sonsabitches on the planet is worthy of anyones respect.

Says a person who obviously has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. You accuse people of falling for a story when you just did the exact same thing.
Disbelieving something blindly is no different than believing something blindly.

:lol:

No, believing something is not the same as disbelieving something.

Believing that the world is controlled by space aliens is not the same as not believing it.

At least for me, something has to be conclusively proved for me to "believe" it.

Strawman much?
You know what I mean...if you read something in the newspaper and you instantly don't believe it without even looking into it is the same things as someone reading the same report and instantly believing it.
It all has to do with with whatever your personal political bias is.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.

I agree.

As I've said before:

You can't cure stupid.

That is correct you can't cure stupidity. Your Dude don't know a diddly shit what he is talking about............... The whole world is asking for a proof from Trump so far none none .................. Why not just point the finger at NYT? This bogus claim came from Breitbart....... supported by Infowars and Faux News........ Get real.

This has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservative....... This is about a pathological lying president.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.

I agree.

As I've said before:

You can't cure stupid.

That is correct you can't cure stupidity. Your Dude don't know a diddly shit what he is talking about............... The whole world is asking for a proof from Trump so far none none .................. Why not just point the finger at NYT? This bogus claim came from Breitbart....... supported by Infowars and Faux News........ Get real.

This has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservative....... This is about a pathological lying president.

Oh and you're so sure its a lie??

I wouldn't bet the farm on that dumbass.

You're the one who needs to get real.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?

Yes. Flynn's leaked conversation, as well as all the New York Times articles that stated Trump's staff was being wiretapped.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.

I agree.

As I've said before:

You can't cure stupid.

That is correct you can't cure stupidity. Your Dude don't know a diddly shit what he is talking about............... The whole world is asking for a proof from Trump so far none none .................. Why not just point the finger at NYT? This bogus claim came from Breitbart....... supported by Infowars and Faux News........ Get real.

This has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservative....... This is about a pathological lying president.

Oh and you're so sure its a lie??

I wouldn't bet the farm on that dumbass.

You're the one who needs to get real.

Yes Trump is lying as always.
Do you have a single proof of evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped? Even VP Pence cannot support this conspiracy bull shit from Trump.
Why is it that every time Trump come up with this kind of ridiculous stupid claim? People like you jump up and down...... it must be true. Get real.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.

Nonsense ............ Do you know more than Republican Senator Nunes?
If your fantasy are correct ........ The Republicans will be glad to present all the evidence. Don't you think?
Maybe you haven't noticed. It's Republicans investigating Republican.
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.

Not true, as long as the US citizen is not the target of the wire tap then a individual warrant is not even required. It's a pretty safe bet that the Russian ambassador IS the target of a FISA warrant, so if Flynn contacted him the NSA would not even need an additional warrant to intercept the call or retain the data.

Source: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process | Glenn Greenwald
 
What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.


While I agree with much of what you said in your insightful post, I think you are missing a very crucial point.

The point is that libs don't give a shit if their political opponents are spied on if their agenda is helped.

They only care about spying when it doesn't help their ideological cause.

Their thought processes rival the simplicity of this guy...

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What a jerk right? At some point we can only hope that with repeated history liberals finally figure out that Trump is way ahead of them. That and the Democrat party is nothing but dishonest.

The NY Times reported months ago that in October, 2016, the Obama/Lynch Justice Department obtained a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to bug Trump Tower, after the FISA court rejected an attempt in February, 2016 to obtain a warrant to bug Trump himself. Trump didn't allege that Obama "ordered" these taps, but merely says that Obama "tapped" his phones.

Only the butt-hurt literal left seeking redemption could interpret this to mean that Trump accused Obama of personally flying up to New York to bug him.
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.

Not true, as long as the US citizen is not the target of the wire tap then a individual warrant is not even required. It's a pretty safe bet that the Russian ambassador IS the target of a FISA warrant, so if Flynn contacted him the NSA would not even need an additional warrant to intercept the call or retain the data.

Source: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process | Glenn Greenwald

Yes it does require a warrant. Once a US citizen is identified the recording must undergo "minimization procedures".

We also don't even know of the Russian ambassador is the target of a FISA authorized wiretap, that information hasn't been given, it's just speculation at this point.
 
do we have a single bit of proof that Trump was right?


General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.

Not true, as long as the US citizen is not the target of the wire tap then a individual warrant is not even required. It's a pretty safe bet that the Russian ambassador IS the target of a FISA warrant, so if Flynn contacted him the NSA would not even need an additional warrant to intercept the call or retain the data.

Source: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process | Glenn Greenwald

Yes it does require a warrant. Once a US citizen is identified the recording must undergo "minimization procedures".

We also don't even know of the Russian ambassador is the target of a FISA authorized wiretap, that information hasn't been given, it's just speculation at this point.

Please read my link above. Even if a US citizen is identified a warrant is only required if he is the target if the investigation in circumstances such as this. If he contacts a foreign person already of interest to the intelligence services and under surveillance then no warrant is needed.

FISA powers are scarily broad I'm afraid.

Do you really think the Russian ambassador, who is responsible for the intelligence section of the Russian embassy, is not the subject of a FISA warrant? If he's not an awful lot of nerds at the NSA should be fired.
 
General Flynn?

Did you miss that story from a couple weeks ago?

General Flynn talked to a Russian Ambassador. The line was tapped. The intel was leak to the press. Flynn resigned.

If you don't believe TRUMP....do you believe the NEW YORK TIMES?

I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.

Not true, as long as the US citizen is not the target of the wire tap then a individual warrant is not even required. It's a pretty safe bet that the Russian ambassador IS the target of a FISA warrant, so if Flynn contacted him the NSA would not even need an additional warrant to intercept the call or retain the data.

Source: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process | Glenn Greenwald

Yes it does require a warrant. Once a US citizen is identified the recording must undergo "minimization procedures".

We also don't even know of the Russian ambassador is the target of a FISA authorized wiretap, that information hasn't been given, it's just speculation at this point.

Please read my link above. Even if a US citizen is identified a warrant is only required if he is the target if the investigation in circumstances such as this. If he contacts a foreign person already of interest to the intelligence services and under surveillance then no warrant is needed.

FISA powers are scarily broad I'm afraid.

Do you really think the Russian ambassador, who is responsible for the intelligence section of the Russian embassy, is not the subject of a FISA warrant? If he's not an awful lot of nerds at the NSA should be fired.

Your article doesn't refute what I am saying, in fact it says:

"That," the official continued, "is why the statute requires that there be minimization procedures to ensure that when communications of, or concerning, US persons are acquired in the course of lawful collection under Section 702, that information is minimized and is retained and disseminated only when appropriate. These procedures are approved on an annual basis by the Fisa court.

It just says that the NSA is basically breaking the laws and rules of FISA, and that there is no oversight. Which is exactly what I said happened.
 
I don't trust lying Trump.
There was no evidence that Flynn phone was wiretapped but Russian ambassador was wiretapped. That was presented to Trump........... then fired Flynn.

If Flynn phone was wiretapped......... Trump could have came out blasting long before Sunday. Don't you think? Instead he woke up last Sunday ( UFO just landed in Maralago).......... I just found out that Trump Tower was wiretapped.

It doesn't matter if it was the Russian being tapped. Once a US citizen is identified, that recording must be quarantined and deleted within 72 hours unless there is a specific court order. That is what the FISA rules are. NO ONE should had heard/read the information in such a FISA wiretap, not even the President. Instead an edited version was passed around and eventually leaked.

You libs can't keep hiding behind the excuse Russia was being wiretapped. The information from those taps that include US citizens is classified. The subverts that leak that information are committing a felony. So far the only crime that has happened is a criminal misuse of a FISA wiretap. So if wiretaps are being used ILLEGALLY, even if they are FISA wiretaps on Russians, then the evidence does support what the President is claiming, that the government is listening in on Trump staff and using it for political purposes.

Unless the Dems can come up with a court order to keep the Flynn recording(s) from FISA wiretaps, or an authorized FISA request to listen directly to Trump staff(Clapper has stated no such request was ever made), or an FBI warrant that was granted prior to the recording(s), then Trump is right.

Not true, as long as the US citizen is not the target of the wire tap then a individual warrant is not even required. It's a pretty safe bet that the Russian ambassador IS the target of a FISA warrant, so if Flynn contacted him the NSA would not even need an additional warrant to intercept the call or retain the data.

Source: Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process | Glenn Greenwald

Yes it does require a warrant. Once a US citizen is identified the recording must undergo "minimization procedures".

We also don't even know of the Russian ambassador is the target of a FISA authorized wiretap, that information hasn't been given, it's just speculation at this point.

Please read my link above. Even if a US citizen is identified a warrant is only required if he is the target if the investigation in circumstances such as this. If he contacts a foreign person already of interest to the intelligence services and under surveillance then no warrant is needed.

FISA powers are scarily broad I'm afraid.

Do you really think the Russian ambassador, who is responsible for the intelligence section of the Russian embassy, is not the subject of a FISA warrant? If he's not an awful lot of nerds at the NSA should be fired.

Your article doesn't refute what I am saying, in fact it says:

"That," the official continued, "is why the statute requires that there be minimization procedures to ensure that when communications of, or concerning, US persons are acquired in the course of lawful collection under Section 702, that information is minimized and is retained and disseminated only when appropriate. These procedures are approved on an annual basis by the Fisa court.

It just says that the NSA is basically breaking the laws and rules of FISA, and that there is no oversight. Which is exactly what I said happened.

Well let's actually look at the minimisation procedure provided by the NSA and included in the article:

"Those guidelines specifically address what the NSA does with what it calls "domestic communications", defined as "communications in which the sender and all intended recipients are reasonably believed to be located in the United States at the time of acquisition". The NSA expressly claims the right to store and even disseminate such domestic communication if: (1) "it is reasonably believed to contain significant foreign intelligence information"; (2) "the communication does not contain foreign intelligence information but is reasonably believed to contain evidence of a crime that has been, is being, or is about to be committed";

As Flynn is talking to the Russian ambassador (foreign intelligence actor) - in contravention of the Logan Act- any NSA analyst could reasonably argue that there is no requirement for minimization under points 1 and 2 of the above protocol.
 

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