Simplifying the Tax System Is Easy in the Real World

[RDD_1210]

You can eliminate the complexity and deductions without going to a flat tax. A simple progressive tax would do the same thing.

Leftists hate equality. Why?

The progressive tax is equality. Everyone pays the same rate for whatever income they have in each of the brackets.

Why is making $1 a year more which requires you to pay $1,000 in additional taxes equality?

Wait, is this how you think a progressive tax system works?

I know it's how a progressive tax works. At some point you transition into a higher bracket. And that's based upon a fixed dollar amount.

So you think that if the cutoff between brackets is say $100,000 that a person making $100,001 is going to pay thousands more than a person making $100,000?

 

[pinqy]

According to the Census Population Clock, in July the total population in the U.S. was 325,365,189
According the Bureau of Labor Statistics Table A1, the total number of people age 16+ (excluding military and prison labor) who were working was 153,513,000
So that's over 50% of the population not working. That doesn't mean no income, but it does raise the question of where you think all those not currently paying Federal taxes would get the money from?

Democrats in Calif have made significant increases in energy, gas, and sales taxes, increased fees for mass transportation.

All which hits the poor the hardest.

The narrative that Democrats want to help the poor and are concerned about increasing their taxes is a fallacy.

And what does that have to do with anything I wrote? I'm neither a Democrat, nor in California, and I would agree that the energy and sales taxes, and increased transportation fees are regressive.

Then stop whining that the bottom earners will have to pay more. They get jabbed with higher taxes by libs all the time.

Who's whining? I'm pointing out facts. A flat income tax disproportionately affects those with lower income in that it affects their ability to purchase necessities, while it would not for higher incomes. If you're ok with that, fine, but don't pretend a flat tax is "fair" or equal.

Other taxes are irrelevant to a discussion of income taxes, unless you want to talk about total taxes paid. The number one regressive tax is, of course, the lottery.

And a gas tax going up 50% affects low income workers more than Barbara Streisand. Your point is moot.

How do you figure? I agree that a gas tax going up 50% affects low income workers more than the super-rich. That doesn't make my point that a flat tax affects the poor more than the middle and upper class any less true.

 

[Weatherman2020]

How does one measure "income ".

Take Donald Trump . Think of how complicated it is to measure his income .

But let's take a simpler example . Some guy who has his own plumbing business . Works for himself , no employees . You've eliminated all deductions right? No depreciation or anything .

My home value is going up $30K a month.

But it's funny money, not income.

You have no clue what net and gross are. Please go to a thread about statues and stop bothering the adults.

You are fucking moron that can't answer even most basic question in straight forward manner, jerking people around with your bullshit, while saying something about them not knowing.


Is your proposed flat tax 20%? It is a SIMPLE, YES OR NO QUESTION. What the fuck is your malfunction that you can't answer that?

Read the OP. I don't know what percent is required so Obama pays the same taxes.
Dufus.

20% RETARD, THAT IS THE FLAT RATE REQUIRED FOR OBAMA TO PAY SAME FEDERAL TAX.

20%, would also mean a huge tax hike on low and low middle class income.


Do you fucking get it now?

Go learn what net and gross are. Get back to us with a report in an hour.

Fuck you retard. Get back to us when you can carry a straight forward, intellectually honest, non-retard discussion.

Not my fault you can't grasp what gross income is.

 

[AntonToo]

How does one measure "income ".

Take Donald Trump . Think of how complicated it is to measure his income .

But let's take a simpler example . Some guy who has his own plumbing business . Works for himself , no employees . You've eliminated all deductions right? No depreciation or anything .

My home value is going up $30K a month.

But it's funny money, not income.

You are fucking moron that can't answer even most basic question in straight forward manner, jerking people around with your bullshit, while saying something about them not knowing.


Is your proposed flat tax 20%? It is a SIMPLE, YES OR NO QUESTION. What the fuck is your malfunction that you can't answer that?

Read the OP. I don't know what percent is required so Obama pays the same taxes.
Dufus.

20% RETARD, THAT IS THE FLAT RATE REQUIRED FOR OBAMA TO PAY SAME FEDERAL TAX.

20%, would also mean a huge tax hike on low and low middle class income.


Do you fucking get it now?

Go learn what net and gross are. Get back to us with a report in an hour.

Fuck you retard. Get back to us when you can carry a straight forward, intellectually honest, non-retard discussion.

Not my fault you can't grasp what gross income is.

But I do know what it is, just as I know that 20% flat federal tax would be a huge hike for low and middle income earners. Something you CAN'T directly comment on because of some sort of intellectual retardation.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Democrats in Calif have made significant increases in energy, gas, and sales taxes, increased fees for mass transportation.

All which hits the poor the hardest.

The narrative that Democrats want to help the poor and are concerned about increasing their taxes is a fallacy.

And what does that have to do with anything I wrote? I'm neither a Democrat, nor in California, and I would agree that the energy and sales taxes, and increased transportation fees are regressive.

Then stop whining that the bottom earners will have to pay more. They get jabbed with higher taxes by libs all the time.

Who's whining? I'm pointing out facts. A flat income tax disproportionately affects those with lower income in that it affects their ability to purchase necessities, while it would not for higher incomes. If you're ok with that, fine, but don't pretend a flat tax is "fair" or equal.

Other taxes are irrelevant to a discussion of income taxes, unless you want to talk about total taxes paid. The number one regressive tax is, of course, the lottery.

And a gas tax going up 50% affects low income workers more than Barbara Streisand. Your point is moot.

How do you figure? I agree that a gas tax going up 50% affects low income workers more than the super-rich. That doesn't make my point that a flat tax affects the poor more than the middle and upper class any less true.

I stand with my belief all Americans have a vested interest in America.

Watch low income folks scream for reduced spending if they have to pay.

 

[Weatherman2020]

My home value is going up $30K a month.

But it's funny money, not income.

Read the OP. I don't know what percent is required so Obama pays the same taxes.
Dufus.

20% RETARD, THAT IS THE FLAT RATE REQUIRED FOR OBAMA TO PAY SAME FEDERAL TAX.

20%, would also mean a huge tax hike on low and low middle class income.


Do you fucking get it now?

Go learn what net and gross are. Get back to us with a report in an hour.

Fuck you retard. Get back to us when you can carry a straight forward, intellectually honest, non-retard discussion.

Not my fault you can't grasp what gross income is.

But I do know what it is, just as I know that 20% flat federal tax would be a huge hike for low and middle income earners. Something you CAN'T directly comment on because of some sort of intellectual retardation.

Stupid strawman. At no point did I say the percentage should be 20

 

[AntonToo]

I stand with my belief all Americans have a vested interest in America.

Watch low income folks scream for reduced spending if they have to pay.

And then he tries to deny that what he proposes is tax increase on the low income and tax cut to the rich.

Can't make this nonsense up.

 

[AntonToo]

20% RETARD, THAT IS THE FLAT RATE REQUIRED FOR OBAMA TO PAY SAME FEDERAL TAX.

20%, would also mean a huge tax hike on low and low middle class income.


Do you fucking get it now?

Go learn what net and gross are. Get back to us with a report in an hour.

Fuck you retard. Get back to us when you can carry a straight forward, intellectually honest, non-retard discussion.

Not my fault you can't grasp what gross income is.

But I do know what it is, just as I know that 20% flat federal tax would be a huge hike for low and middle income earners. Something you CAN'T directly comment on because of some sort of intellectual retardation.

Stupid strawman. At no point did I say the percentage should be 20

Yes you did say that implictly you fucktard, because you DID SAY that Obama must pay 20% tax rate, because he will pay the same 20% he does now.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Leftists hate equality. Why?

The progressive tax is equality. Everyone pays the same rate for whatever income they have in each of the brackets.

Why is making $1 a year more which requires you to pay $1,000 in additional taxes equality?

Wait, is this how you think a progressive tax system works?

I know it's how a progressive tax works. At some point you transition into a higher bracket. And that's based upon a fixed dollar amount.

So you think that if the cutoff between brackets is say $100,000 that a person making $100,001 is going to pay thousands more than a person making $100,000?

Going into a higher bracket makes you pay more, Dufus.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Go learn what net and gross are. Get back to us with a report in an hour.

Fuck you retard. Get back to us when you can carry a straight forward, intellectually honest, non-retard discussion.

Not my fault you can't grasp what gross income is.

But I do know what it is, just as I know that 20% flat federal tax would be a huge hike for low and middle income earners. Something you CAN'T directly comment on because of some sort of intellectual retardation.

Stupid strawman. At no point did I say the percentage should be 20

Yes you did say that implictly you fucktard, because you DID SAY that Obama must pay 20% tax rate, because he will pay the same 20% he does now.

Liar.

 

[RDD_1210]

The progressive tax is equality. Everyone pays the same rate for whatever income they have in each of the brackets.

Why is making $1 a year more which requires you to pay $1,000 in additional taxes equality?

Wait, is this how you think a progressive tax system works?

I know it's how a progressive tax works. At some point you transition into a higher bracket. And that's based upon a fixed dollar amount.

So you think that if the cutoff between brackets is say $100,000 that a person making $100,001 is going to pay thousands more than a person making $100,000?

Going into a higher bracket makes you pay more, Dufus.

Yes I get that, but I don't know if you understand how a progressive system actually works.

So using my example above. Lets say the rate for $100,000 and under is 10% and $100,001 and above is 20%.

How much more would someone who makes $100,001 pay than someone who makes $100,000? Just one dollar more in salary, means they pay how much more in taxes? What do you think?

 

[AntonToo]

Fuck you retard. Get back to us when you can carry a straight forward, intellectually honest, non-retard discussion.

Not my fault you can't grasp what gross income is.

But I do know what it is, just as I know that 20% flat federal tax would be a huge hike for low and middle income earners. Something you CAN'T directly comment on because of some sort of intellectual retardation.

Stupid strawman. At no point did I say the percentage should be 20

Yes you did say that implictly you fucktard, because you DID SAY that Obama must pay 20% tax rate, because he will pay the same 20% he does now.

Liar.

Liar about WHAT?

What is it that you disagree with?

Open up that mouth and clear up your retard incoherency.

Obama has to pay 20% flat rate to match his 20% current effective tax rate. What don't you agree with?

 

[Tom Horn]

Washington state used to charge small business on gross revenue...very unfair if you lost money that year then have to pay another amount on top of it. I don't care for the flat tax....$100 off $1,000 hurts the poor man considerably more than $10K hurts the $100K man. I'd keep things like they are other than the corporate rate being lowered to attract investments and create jobs.

 

[RDD_1210]

I think I scared him away. It's funny to watch someone argue tax policy that clearly doesn't understand the basic concept of how our tax system actually works.

A flat tax is a simple idea for simple people like the OP.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Why is making $1 a year more which requires you to pay $1,000 in additional taxes equality?

Wait, is this how you think a progressive tax system works?

I know it's how a progressive tax works. At some point you transition into a higher bracket. And that's based upon a fixed dollar amount.

So you think that if the cutoff between brackets is say $100,000 that a person making $100,001 is going to pay thousands more than a person making $100,000?

Going into a higher bracket makes you pay more, Dufus.

Yes I get that, but I don't know if you understand how a progressive system actually works.

So using my example above. Lets say the rate for $100,000 and under is 10% and $100,001 and above is 20%.

How much more would someone who makes $100,001 pay than someone who makes $100,000? Just one dollar more in salary, means they pay how much more in taxes? What do you think?

You obviously have no clue as to how tax brackets work.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I think I scared him away. It's funny to watch someone argue tax policy that clearly doesn't understand the basic concept of how our tax system actually works.

A flat tax is a simple idea for simple people like the OP.

Your stupidity bores me.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Washington state used to charge small business on gross revenue...very unfair if you lost money that year then have to pay another amount on top of it. I don't care for the flat tax....$100 off $1,000 hurts the poor man considerably more than $10K hurts the $100K man. I'd keep things like they are other than the corporate rate being lowered to attract investments and create jobs.

Yeah, and now you've got the other half of America screaming for less govt spending.

 

[Syriusly]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

I have a simple tax- a flat tax on wealth.

No deductions.

Everyone has a vested interest in America- the same vested interest on how America does.

I would be all for a flat tax on wealth.

So you want the government assessing your 1981 Yugo car being worth $70,000? That's what will occur.

Odd isn't it that you are all in favor of a flat tax on income- but not on wealth.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately the DC elitists require everything be so complex and you need to hire lawyers for everything so they can maintain control over you.

A flat tax on gross income, no deductions. Period.

You earn X dollars, you pay a percentage. Same percentage for all. I have no idea what that percentage should be, but for the sake of discussion say it is 10%. You earn $100,000, you pay $10,000. You earn $1,000 you pay $100.

But weatherman, the lowest earners are paying the same percentage as millionaires!

Yep. Everyone has a vested interest in America. The same vested interest on how America does.

I have a simple tax- a flat tax on wealth.

No deductions.

Everyone has a vested interest in America- the same vested interest on how America does.

I would be all for a flat tax on wealth.

So you want the government assessing your 1981 Yugo car being worth $70,000? That's what will occur.

Odd isn't it that you are all in favor of a flat tax on income- but not on wealth.

It's the people who determine wealth I attack.

Only stupid sheep trust the government.

 

[RDD_1210]

Wait, is this how you think a progressive tax system works?

I know it's how a progressive tax works. At some point you transition into a higher bracket. And that's based upon a fixed dollar amount.

So you think that if the cutoff between brackets is say $100,000 that a person making $100,001 is going to pay thousands more than a person making $100,000?

Going into a higher bracket makes you pay more, Dufus.

Yes I get that, but I don't know if you understand how a progressive system actually works.

So using my example above. Lets say the rate for $100,000 and under is 10% and $100,001 and above is 20%.

How much more would someone who makes $100,001 pay than someone who makes $100,000? Just one dollar more in salary, means they pay how much more in taxes? What do you think?

You obviously have no clue as to how tax brackets work.

That doesn't even make sense. I didn't give any answer. I asked for your opinion.