Sleeping in your office?

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm very liberal and I see the massive problems with this.

Firstly its against zoning laws.

That should be the end of it.

I always see Conservatives falling on the sword of the law with the bs argument..."well is it legal?"

Well in this case...it isn't.

End of story.

Fuck zoning laws. Zoning laws are simply another way for the government to take people's property away from them without due process, and should be ruled unconstitutional.

Sure...everyone wants the Bumpuses moving next to them with thirty dogs and a dozen wrecked cars

You do realize you just made my point for me, don't you? Do you also know that zoning laws originally developed to keep blacks out of certain neighborhoods using the exact same argument you just used?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm very liberal and I see the massive problems with this.

Firstly its against zoning laws.

That should be the end of it.

I always see Conservatives falling on the sword of the law with the bs argument..."well is it legal?"

Well in this case...it isn't.

End of story.

Fuck zoning laws. Zoning laws are simply another way for the government to take people's property away from them without due process, and should be ruled unconstitutional.

Yep your neighbor should be able to raise pigs in his back yard or open a junk yard or a bar or porn shop?

If he owns the property, yes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

But of course! Zoning laws are just another way for the government to exact their government control over our lies.

Its UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

...I said.

Yep, that is what you said. What I said is that they amount to taking away your property without due process, and that it should be ruled unconstitutional. In other words, I expressed a position, and backed it up with logic.

In response you prove you have no position, no grasp on logic, or any debating skills at all.

 

[rightwinger]

Fuck zoning laws. Zoning laws are simply another way for the government to take people's property away from them without due process, and should be ruled unconstitutional.

Yep your neighbor should be able to raise pigs in his back yard or open a junk yard or a bar or porn shop?

If he owns the property, yes.

Gotta love Libertarians

Wouldn't want to live next to one

 

[gekaap]

thats fucking stupid
the homeless are not elected

And that really hits the meat and potatoes of my arguments. I see no reason to extend special consideration to Congressmen and Senators just because they are elected officials.

 

[gekaap]

Wow, they had time shares, and that proves that anyone can afford two houses.

I, on the other hand, know people who have sold their time shares because the maintenance dues got too high. You really need to get your head out of your ass and stop trying to control how other people spend their money. What gives you the right to dictate how anyone else lives?

I'm not dictating how anyone lives. You keep repeating that line, but it's not getting any less false. They can live however they want....in their own housing. As a taxpayer I have every place to discuss the way government buildings are being utilized.

 

[gekaap]

Fuck zoning laws. Zoning laws are simply another way for the government to take people's property away from them without due process, and should be ruled unconstitutional.

What a contradiction. If it is within the dictates of the law, then they are receiving due process.

 

[gekaap]

I trust a Congress Person or Senator who sleeps in his or her office more than I do ones who accept free accommodations from lobbyists or jet across the country on government plains while charging hundreds of thousands of dollars of food and alcohol to taxpayers.

Just sayin'.

So now you're trying to diverge the topic into the unrelated waters of accepting inappropriate favors from lobbyists. Okay, well if we're going to play that game, this is as good a time as any to point out how happy I am that conservatives now affirm that it wasn't anyone's business after all if Clinton got a blow job from an extra-marital lover in the Oval Office.

 

[gekaap]

And I personally find it fiscally irresponsible that taxpayer money has been spent to build and maintain a Congressional gym. Or that anyone would have to pay a staff driver, instead of driving themselves.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wow, they had time shares, and that proves that anyone can afford two houses.

I, on the other hand, know people who have sold their time shares because the maintenance dues got too high. You really need to get your head out of your ass and stop trying to control how other people spend their money. What gives you the right to dictate how anyone else lives?

I'm not dictating how anyone lives. You keep repeating that line, but it's not getting any less false. They can live however they want....in their own housing. As a taxpayer I have every place to discuss the way government buildings are being utilized.

That is not what you are doing though. You are accusing them of being fiscally irresponsible. If you just had a beef about them misusing government property you would not be using the terms you are.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Fuck zoning laws. Zoning laws are simply another way for the government to take people's property away from them without due process, and should be ruled unconstitutional.

What a contradiction. If it is within the dictates of the law, then they are receiving due process.

Really?

So, if you are stopped by the police and they decide to confiscate all your money because they say you are a drug dealer you are getting due process because it is legal.

Glad to know you are completely ignorant about due process and what it means.

 

[uscitizen]

Yep your neighbor should be able to raise pigs in his back yard or open a junk yard or a bar or porn shop?

If he owns the property, yes.

Gotta love Libertarians

Wouldn't want to live next to one

I do not think that QW qould like it much either and would complain if his neighbors did someting like I described.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If he owns the property, yes.

Gotta love Libertarians

Wouldn't want to live next to one

I do not think that QW qould like it much either and would complain if his neighbors did someting like I described.

That must be why I spoke up when my neighbors passed around a petition to close down an adult book store that had been there longer than they were, and why I pointed out that most of the claims they were making to support the petition were mostly wrong.

 

[shintao]

why on earth would this be a problem?

"whether the politicians are getting an unfair tax break and violating their own rules by making personal use of public resources."

 

[Skull Pilot]

It's their choice to sleep in their offices and it has absolutely no bearing on your life so why the fuck do you care?

Because the OP asked for opinion....

And because I do not trust a Congressperson or Senator to do their job well if they insist on living in their offices while in D.C.

What does where they sleep have to do with job performance? They probably are getting more sleep because they're not spending time commuting.

 

[gekaap]

That is not what you are doing though. You are accusing them of being fiscally irresponsible. If you just had a beef about them misusing government property you would not be using the terms you are.

Okay, that is just a bunch of milarkey. Discussing the matter rightly will include any criticism and explanations of the stance which a person takes. Otherwise, it's not discussing at all, it's just pointing out an occurrence and ending there.

Your comment becomes all the more ludicrous considering the fact that I did not bring up the subject of fiscal responsibility, or the lack thereof. That was someone else who opened that door. Your comments essentially boil down to saying that any criticism is an attempt to control other people's lives, and that discussion can only be neutral at worst, if not outright praiseful.

 

[gekaap]

Really?

So, if you are stopped by the police and they decide to confiscate all your money because they say you are a drug dealer you are getting due process because it is legal.

Glad to know you are completely ignorant about due process and what it means.

Actually, YOU are ignorant about it.

Let me explain to you how this more or less would go. If a cop stops me as I'm driving down the street, has a legitimate reason for the stop, and then finds legitimate reason for an arrest relating to drug possession with intent to distribute, finds several hundred dollars worth of money on me, and I'm subsequently found guilty in a trial that confirms to all legal requirements, then yes the government can seize that money. If all of those things are done within legal guidelines that protect my rights, then I have received due process of the law.

On the other hand, if a cop pulls me over just for shits and giggles, searches me illegally, finds something which makes him suspect I'm a drug dealer, and then confiscates my money on the spot under that allegation, then no, that would not be due process of the law BECAUSE IT WAS NOT LEGAL. If it's legal, then you've received due process.

You should probably do a little reading on the subject.

A commitment to legality is at the heart of all advanced legal systems, and the Due Process Clause often thought to embody that commitment.

 

[gekaap]

What does where they sleep have to do with job performance? They probably are getting more sleep because they're not spending time commuting.

Why does someone choose to sleep in their office when they have such ample means unless they are either A) poor at money management and despite having such ample means cannot find a way to actually afford to take care of themselves, or B) an unethical free loader who just wants to get what he can out of his government office, or C) has a general lack of self respect and drive to get himself out of bed early enough to get to work on time.

In either case, I find these qualities to be quite opposite to what it takes to be a good Congressperson or Senator.

 

[boedicca]

What does where they sleep have to do with job performance? They probably are getting more sleep because they're not spending time commuting.

Why does someone choose to sleep in their office when they have such ample means unless they are either A) poor at money management and despite having such ample means cannot find a way to actually afford to take care of themselves, or B) an unethical free loader who just wants to get what he can out of his government office, or C) has a general lack of self respect and drive to get himself out of bed early enough to get to work on time.

In either case, I find these qualities to be quite opposite to what it takes to be a good Congressperson or Senator.

What a sanctimonious prick thou art.

The actual situation is one that wouldn't even register in your silly worldview:

D) The Congress Person or Senator has family responsibilities and chooses to spend his income taking care of those responsibilities instead of making himself comfortable in an apartment. Sleeping in an office is not a comfortable lifestyle. Choosing to do so demonstrates self-discipline and frugality to serve more important goals than one's own immediate comfort.

 

[rightwinger]

What does where they sleep have to do with job performance? They probably are getting more sleep because they're not spending time commuting.

Why does someone choose to sleep in their office when they have such ample means unless they are either A) poor at money management and despite having such ample means cannot find a way to actually afford to take care of themselves, or B) an unethical free loader who just wants to get what he can out of his government office, or C) has a general lack of self respect and drive to get himself out of bed early enough to get to work on time.

In either case, I find these qualities to be quite opposite to what it takes to be a good Congressperson or Senator.

What a sanctimonious prick thou art.

The actual situation is one that wouldn't even register in your silly worldview:

D) The Congress Person or Senator has family responsibilities and chooses to spend his income taking care of those responsibilities instead of making himself comfortable in an apartment. Sleeping in an office is not a comfortable lifestyle. Choosing to do so demonstrates self-discipline and frugality to serve more important goals than one's own immediate comfort.

yea ....my brother-in law sleeping on my couch and mooching his meals is showing fiscal responsibility also