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I am defending choice.
I don't smoke, do drugs, overeat, or drink too much.
That is my choice.
If some people smoke, do drugs, drink too much, eat too much etc those are their choices and are none of your business.
You have absolutely no right to tell other people what to do or how to live.
You are defending addictions and un healthy habits. But who cares. Right.
I am defending people's rights to make their own choices. I'm sure I could examine your life and find some unhealthy choices you make. Is that my business?
Define public space. I don't consider privately owned businesses to be public space.
Skull, is it true that you have no problem with drunk drivers either. I mean who are you to tell anyone that they shouldn't drive drunk? It's all about their "choice". Right?
Where did I say that? I will say I think DUI convictions should be based not on blood alcohol level but rather on actual levels of impairment. I've seen people who were under the legal limit not be able to drive well as well as people who were over the legal limit drive perfectly safely.
You are being purposefully obtuse about this topic. You and I both know that there are some activities that shouldn't be tolerated. Drunk driving. Public smoking. Extremely loud music in the middle of the night. etc etc.
You are being purposely thickheaded. Or maybe you can't help it.
You are defending addictions and un healthy habits. But who cares. Right.
I am defending people's rights to make their own choices. I'm sure I could examine your life and find some unhealthy choices you make. Is that my business?
Define public space. I don't consider privately owned businesses to be public space.
Where did I say that? I will say I think DUI convictions should be based not on blood alcohol level but rather on actual levels of impairment. I've seen people who were under the legal limit not be able to drive well as well as people who were over the legal limit drive perfectly safely.
You are being purposefully obtuse about this topic. You and I both know that there are some activities that shouldn't be tolerated. Drunk driving. Public smoking. Extremely loud music in the middle of the night. etc etc.
You are being purposely thickheaded. Or maybe you can't help it.
What about drunk driving? Are you saying that the choice and freedom too endanger others lives by driving drunk should be tolerated. YOU know, its just a matter of choice.
Just like the loud music all night next door to you wouldn't be tolerated. Why is that? It's all about the choice isn't it?
Nah dude, you just want to pick and choose. You don't smoke so it's ok. You don't drive drunk but it's ok. Just don't keep you up all night playing that loud music. That's not ok.
Pick and choose.
Wha...?
What the hell does "don't have a right to what they allow" even mean?
It was a lot shorter originally, but then I just started adding stuff on. In hindsight, I probably should have revised it.
It means, why should a liberal lecture a conservative about defending rights while insisting businesses can't have the ability to choose what they allow in their establishment?
Where did anyone say that?
And before we go on with this allow me to state the obvious, in case others here don't know: you're FIFTEEN YEARS OLD. You don't have the first foggiest clue about the world of work. You're not even old enough to smoke.
Go on....
It was a lot shorter originally, but then I just started adding stuff on. In hindsight, I probably should have revised it.
It means, why should a liberal lecture a conservative about defending rights while insisting businesses can't have the ability to choose what they allow in their establishment?
Where did anyone say that?
And before we go on with this allow me to state the obvious, in case others here don't know: you're FIFTEEN YEARS OLD. You don't have the first foggiest clue about the world of work. You're not even old enough to smoke.
Go on....
...And you play the age card. No surprise.
I believe you should take a long look at the poll. This 15 year-old obviously is of a like mind of more Americans- Americans who are old enough to be in the "world of work" and smoke- than you.
I may not be old enough to smoke or to do much else other than mow lawns and umpire baseball games, but I am old enough to understand what freedom is.
Where did anyone say that?
And before we go on with this allow me to state the obvious, in case others here don't know: you're FIFTEEN YEARS OLD. You don't have the first foggiest clue about the world of work. You're not even old enough to smoke.
Go on....
...And you play the age card. No surprise.
I believe you should take a long look at the poll. This 15 year-old obviously is of a like mind of more Americans- Americans who are old enough to be in the "world of work" and smoke- than you.
I may not be old enough to smoke or to do much else other than mow lawns and umpire baseball games, but I am old enough to understand what freedom is.
Apparently you're not even old enough to understand what an "age card" is -- YOU are the one who misrepresented yourself and later admitted to being 15. Given that latter info, unless you're lying again, by definition you don't know the world of work. You may or may not know what smoking feels like but you just don't have the years of experience to judge either one in the real world --- which is where both matter. You're qualified to ask the question; how you yourself might answer that question has no meaning whatsoever except in the abstract.
Sorry but your opinion is worthless. As mine or anyone else's would have been at 15 on issues that only an adult could have the perspective to analyze. Pose the question, watch and learn. You're way too young to be entrenched in opinions that can't be challenged. That comes later.
You'll notice I didn't vote in your poll. That's because its scope is too limited to give me a choice. And that lack of scope is because you're too young to know the nuances and range of possibilities. Which is of course what the thread is for.
Where did anyone say that?
And before we go on with this allow me to state the obvious, in case others here don't know: you're FIFTEEN YEARS OLD. You don't have the first foggiest clue about the world of work. You're not even old enough to smoke.
Go on....
...And you play the age card. No surprise.
I believe you should take a long look at the poll. This 15 year-old obviously is of a like mind of more Americans- Americans who are old enough to be in the "world of work" and smoke- than you.
I may not be old enough to smoke or to do much else other than mow lawns and umpire baseball games, but I am old enough to understand what freedom is.
Apparently you're not even old enough to understand what an "age card" is -- YOU are the one who misrepresented yourself and later admitted to being 15. Given that latter info, unless you're lying again, by definition you don't know the world of work. You may or may not know what smoking feels like but you just don't have the years of experience to judge either one in the real world --- which is where both matter. You're qualified to ask the question; how you yourself might answer that question has no meaning whatsoever except in the abstract.
Sorry but your opinion is worthless. As mine or anyone else's would have been at 15 on issues that only an adult could have the perspective to analyze. Pose the question, watch and learn. You're way too young to be entrenched in opinions that can't be challenged. That comes later.
You'll notice I didn't vote in your poll. That's because its scope is too limited to give me a choice. And that lack of scope is because you're too young to know the nuances and range of possibilities. Which is of course what the thread is for.
I'm a smoker myself and I support banning smoking near all business or government establishments. If there is even one person there who doesn't smoke, you are harming them by smoking around them. I don't support a ban on smoking in general, because it can be done without hurting anybody, and no victimless act should be illegal. The only businesses that should be exempt from the ban on smoking in businesses are those whose purpose is smoking, such as a cigar lounge, or a smoker bar/casino, where no nonsmoker would have a need or want to go.
...And you play the age card. No surprise.
I believe you should take a long look at the poll. This 15 year-old obviously is of a like mind of more Americans- Americans who are old enough to be in the "world of work" and smoke- than you.
I may not be old enough to smoke or to do much else other than mow lawns and umpire baseball games, but I am old enough to understand what freedom is.
Apparently you're not even old enough to understand what an "age card" is -- YOU are the one who misrepresented yourself and later admitted to being 15. Given that latter info, unless you're lying again, by definition you don't know the world of work. You may or may not know what smoking feels like but you just don't have the years of experience to judge either one in the real world --- which is where both matter. You're qualified to ask the question; how you yourself might answer that question has no meaning whatsoever except in the abstract.
Sorry but your opinion is worthless. As mine or anyone else's would have been at 15 on issues that only an adult could have the perspective to analyze. Pose the question, watch and learn. You're way too young to be entrenched in opinions that can't be challenged. That comes later.
You'll notice I didn't vote in your poll. That's because its scope is too limited to give me a choice. And that lack of scope is because you're too young to know the nuances and range of possibilities. Which is of course what the thread is for.
Only adults have opinions that matter? That is completely ignorant.
Why should the youth who will have to run the country someday not be allowed to share their input?
And I am willing to bet if I was on your side instead, you would never have mentioned my age and would have have accepted my opinions. Am I wrong?
Apparently you're not even old enough to understand what an "age card" is -- YOU are the one who misrepresented yourself and later admitted to being 15. Given that latter info, unless you're lying again, by definition you don't know the world of work. You may or may not know what smoking feels like but you just don't have the years of experience to judge either one in the real world --- which is where both matter. You're qualified to ask the question; how you yourself might answer that question has no meaning whatsoever except in the abstract.
Sorry but your opinion is worthless. As mine or anyone else's would have been at 15 on issues that only an adult could have the perspective to analyze. Pose the question, watch and learn. You're way too young to be entrenched in opinions that can't be challenged. That comes later.
You'll notice I didn't vote in your poll. That's because its scope is too limited to give me a choice. And that lack of scope is because you're too young to know the nuances and range of possibilities. Which is of course what the thread is for.
Only adults have opinions that matter? That is completely ignorant.
Why should the youth who will have to run the country someday not be allowed to share their input?
And I am willing to bet if I was on your side instead, you would never have mentioned my age and would have have accepted my opinions. Am I wrong?
Opinions? Everyone has one
Opinions based on life experience? Afraid not
Of course you can still have an opinion. But those opinions must be qualified by the limited life experience of a 15 year old
Only adults have opinions that matter? That is completely ignorant.
Why should the youth who will have to run the country someday not be allowed to share their input?
And I am willing to bet if I was on your side instead, you would never have mentioned my age and would have have accepted my opinions. Am I wrong?
Opinions? Everyone has one
Opinions based on life experience? Afraid not
Of course you can still have an opinion. But those opinions must be qualified by the limited life experience of a 15 year old
Just out of curiosity, Rightwinger and Pogo, did you guys do things like this as a teenager? Try to stay up to date and involved in the world of politics? Or did you chase girls and play football and be a general teenage nuisance?
My bet is the latter. And as such, you believe someone of that age level is incapable of forming an educated and developed opinion or debating it with adults.
Sean: You're just a kid, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talkin' about.
Will: Why thank you.
Sean: It's all right. You've never been out of Boston.
Will: Nope.
Sean: So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the pope, sexual orientations, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling; seen that. If I ask you about women, you'd probably give me a syllabus about your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can't tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. You're a tough kid. And I'd ask you about war, you'd probably throw Shakespeare at me, right, "once more unto the breach dear friends." But you've never been near one. You've never held your best friend's head in your lap, watch him gasp his last breath looking to you for help. I'd ask you about love, you'd probably quote me a sonnet. But you've never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable. Known someone that could level you with her eyes, feeling like God put an angel on earth just for you. Who could rescue you from the depths of hell. And you wouldn't know what it's like to be her angel, to have that love for her, be there forever, through anything, through cancer. And you wouldn't know about sleeping sitting up in the hospital room for two months, holding her hand, because the doctors could see in your eyes, that the terms "visiting hours" don't apply to you. You don't know about real loss, 'cause it only occurs when you've loved something more than you love yourself. And I doubt you've ever dared to love anybody that much. And look at you... I don't see an intelligent, confident man... I see a cocky, scared shitless kid. But you're a genius Will. No one denies that. No one could possibly understand the depths of you. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine, and you ripped my fucking life apart. You're an orphan right?
[Will nods]
Sean: You think I know the first thing about how hard your life has been, how you feel, who you are, because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally... I don't give a shit about all that, because you know what, I can't learn anything from you, I can't read in some fuckin' book. Unless you want to talk about you, who you are. Then I'm fascinated. I'm in. But you don't want to do that do you sport? You're terrified of what you might say. Your move, chief.
The damage is done then. Smoke 'em up.I smoked for 40+ yrs. Loved it.
We seriously need a cigarette-smoking emoticon here.
Just sayin'.
I smoked for 37 years. The fact that smoking was banned virtually everywhere by 1993 was instrumental in my decision to quit. It saved my life. There are thousands like me, whose lives are being saved for the same reason. Lung cancer is decreasing dramatically. We have been slaves to the tobacco industry for too long. I would love to see laws prohibiting the growing and packaging of tobacco in this country. Now, we are poisoning the rest of the world...at a profit.
...And you play the age card. No surprise.
I believe you should take a long look at the poll. This 15 year-old obviously is of a like mind of more Americans- Americans who are old enough to be in the "world of work" and smoke- than you.
I may not be old enough to smoke or to do much else other than mow lawns and umpire baseball games, but I am old enough to understand what freedom is.
Apparently you're not even old enough to understand what an "age card" is -- YOU are the one who misrepresented yourself and later admitted to being 15. Given that latter info, unless you're lying again, by definition you don't know the world of work. You may or may not know what smoking feels like but you just don't have the years of experience to judge either one in the real world --- which is where both matter. You're qualified to ask the question; how you yourself might answer that question has no meaning whatsoever except in the abstract.
Sorry but your opinion is worthless. As mine or anyone else's would have been at 15 on issues that only an adult could have the perspective to analyze. Pose the question, watch and learn. You're way too young to be entrenched in opinions that can't be challenged. That comes later.
You'll notice I didn't vote in your poll. That's because its scope is too limited to give me a choice. And that lack of scope is because you're too young to know the nuances and range of possibilities. Which is of course what the thread is for.
Only adults have opinions that matter? That is completely ignorant.
Why should the youth who will have to run the country someday not be allowed to share their input?
And I am willing to bet if I was on your side instead, you would never have mentioned my age and would have have accepted my opinions. Am I wrong?
Only adults have opinions that matter? That is completely ignorant.
Why should the youth who will have to run the country someday not be allowed to share their input?
And I am willing to bet if I was on your side instead, you would never have mentioned my age and would have have accepted my opinions. Am I wrong?
Opinions? Everyone has one
Opinions based on life experience? Afraid not
Of course you can still have an opinion. But those opinions must be qualified by the limited life experience of a 15 year old
Just out of curiosity, Rightwinger and Pogo, did you guys do things like this as a teenager? Try to stay up to date and involved in the world of politics?
I smoked for 37 years. The fact that smoking was banned virtually everywhere by 1993 was instrumental in my decision to quit. It saved my life. There are thousands like me, whose lives are being saved for the same reason. Lung cancer is decreasing dramatically. We have been slaves to the tobacco industry for too long. I would love to see laws prohibiting the growing and packaging of tobacco in this country. Now, we are poisoning the rest of the world...at a profit.
I worked for a company in Turkey that had a smoker's lounge. They had named the lounge after one of their beloved co-workers who had spent a lot of time there: he had died of lung cancer.
They did not see the irony.
That was 11 years ago. At that time it seemed like everyone in Turkey smoked. Cigarettes were a little over one dollar for 20. The US companies who produce cigarettes intensely market the products overseas. Many of those countries don't tax cigarettes or put warning labels on them. The attitude toward smoking in many countries is similar to what it was in the US in the 50s.
