SNL writer says she'll give a blowjob to anyone who punches the Covington smiling kid.

[Pogo]

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

Yeah that doesn't work at all. You actually thing Nosebook and Tweeter sit there and peruse everything anybody wants to post and puts their stamp of approval on it? That's utterly insane. No, they're not "publishers" any more than this site is, as Slade pointed out.

If you want to go after the actual posters of said libel, that's perfectly fine, by all means, but it has no application here.

As for what "libel" is I've got I forgot how many challenges lying on the field for any evidence of this "libel" committed by "the media" that's going to land them in "court" for "seven figures". I have yet to get a single response to them. Which basically means those fantasizing of "libel" have no clue how to "read".

So what you are saying is that Surveillance Media is Too Big To Succeed, so we should just accept their damaging impact upon people while they monetize our behavior without our consent or knowledge.

No thank you. I'll pass.

I'll pass too, I already did when I refused to have anything to do with that narcissistic shit.

But no, what I'm saying is don't sit there and pretend the Nosebooks are the "publisher". Publishers vet their content before they put their name on a book. Post 267 for an example is not "published" by USMB. It's posted by a specific person. If you want to go after that post you go after Picaro -- not the site.

Ain't rocket surgery.

Scuze moi, but the Surveillance Media have data scientists, algorithms and AI for analyzing all of this content. The only issue is them actually spending money to control content and then forgoing the profits that the monetization of the deleted toxic behavior would have generated.

USMB has mods that delete comments from users who cross the line. We do not see the Doxxing and calls to punch teenager in the face or to get them expelled from school here. The Mega Platforms enable and allow this hideous, illegal behavior...and actually PROFIT from it.

The Surveillance Media are not Too Big To Be Accountable.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you didn't address the point at all.

That being, *HOW* is a medium responsible for what someone writes on it? If Picaro spray-paints "Injuns go home" on a wall ---- shall we blame the wall? For "not being accountable"?

 

[iceberg]

What are the Covington Catholic Students? I have been out of loops with serious TOTAL BASTARD flu and so have not been on, so what is the controversy or whatever?

It’s just another nothing story that the media is blowing way out of proportion. A kid in a MAGA hat was staring down a old Native American playing a drum during a bunch of protests during the women’s march. Initial reaction was blaming the kids as instigators but then more footage came out and showed they weren’t doing what many originally claimed they were doing. Don’t know why this is national news

cause the media wants it to be. they WANTED *MAGA* to be shown to be all the things they say they are. when it wasn't true, it not only makes them a liar, but it pulls their entire premise into question. this is "National" news cause the "National Media" has been guilty of this for almost a decade at this point and it's getting worse.

you're about to see a lot of news media in court soon and as soon as one "journalist" loses, the dominos will fall and lawsuits will fly like bullets in a warzone.

it's national news cause our national news sucks.

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

 

[iceberg]

cause the media wants it to be. they WANTED *MAGA* to be shown to be all the things they say they are. when it wasn't true, it not only makes them a liar, but it pulls their entire premise into question. this is "National" news cause the "National Media" has been guilty of this for almost a decade at this point and it's getting worse.

you're about to see a lot of news media in court soon and as soon as one "journalist" loses, the dominos will fall and lawsuits will fly like bullets in a warzone.

it's national news cause our national news sucks.

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

USMB is not part of the Surveillance Media Oligopoly which monetizes our behavior and personal data. GOOG, FB and TWTR are. They have used the lack of regulations regarding tracking people to make vast amounts of wealth under the cover that as platforms, they are not responsible for the content. The censoring and banishment of conservatives proves them wrong, as does the manipulation of search result presentation, news feed prioritization and "suggestions". They are content providers with editorial responsibility. If they are too big to manage their content, then let them be broken up or collapse under their own weight.

Call me old school but I don’t think the companies or platforms are the problem. The problem is us, the people, the drama hungry puppets that allow ourselves to get consumed by all that garbage. It’s our choice to join and use those sites. Nobody is twisting our arm.

i do think by trying to regulate one side over the other, even if just perception - they may not be twisting an arm but they are sure adding fuel to the fire.

there's a reason why the russian trolling worked so well. until "we the people" grow out of being so sensitive and insecure in our beliefs, we're a target even if we're shooting ourselves.

 

[iceberg]

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

USMB is not part of the Surveillance Media Oligopoly which monetizes our behavior and personal data. GOOG, FB and TWTR are. They have used the lack of regulations regarding tracking people to make vast amounts of wealth under the cover that as platforms, they are not responsible for the content. The censoring and banishment of conservatives proves them wrong, as does the manipulation of search result presentation, news feed prioritization and "suggestions". They are content providers with editorial responsibility. If they are too big to manage their content, then let them be broken up or collapse under their own weight.

Call me old school but I don’t think the companies or platforms are the problem. The problem is us, the people, the drama hungry puppets that allow ourselves to get consumed by all that garbage. It’s our choice to join and use those sites. Nobody is twisting our arm.

The Surveillance Media are a huge part of the problem. Why do you think they gather up all of that data? To manipulate behavior. They encourage and support online outrage mobs. It is one of the biggest threats to our society these days, imho.

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

USMB is not part of the Surveillance Media Oligopoly which monetizes our behavior and personal data. GOOG, FB and TWTR are. They have used the lack of regulations regarding tracking people to make vast amounts of wealth under the cover that as platforms, they are not responsible for the content. The censoring and banishment of conservatives proves them wrong, as does the manipulation of search result presentation, news feed prioritization and "suggestions". They are content providers with editorial responsibility. If they are too big to manage their content, then let them be broken up or collapse under their own weight.

Call me old school but I don’t think the companies or platforms are the problem. The problem is us, the people, the drama hungry puppets that allow ourselves to get consumed by all that garbage. It’s our choice to join and use those sites. Nobody is twisting our arm.

The Surveillance Media are a huge part of the problem. Why do you think they gather up all of that data? To manipulate behavior. They encourage and support online outrage mobs. It is one of the biggest threats to our society these days, imho.

i think it's more trying to understand behavior so they can show us ads we're likely to react to.

more reactions, better click %. better click % more money.

hence knowing our habits and catering to them is pure dollars in action.

 

[Godboy]

Suddenly racism isnt bad when its an indian or black guy saying racist shit.

What I just asked you was why you keep trying to shift the focus off Smirk-Boi. And your response was to continue to shift the focus off Smirk-Boi. Thanks for proving my point.

You wanna talk "tomahawk chops" instead? That hasn't been explored much. Prolly because it undermines your little poor-me story of "confused kids who didn't know what was happening" and underscores the observation of "mob mentality" which means they weren't "confused" at all but had a focus, the smirk being one manifestation of that same purpose.

But just for laughs, what exactly does the Indian (proper names get capitals in English) say that's "racist"?

Youre still ignoring the actual racism that took place. Why?

Actually I just invited you to QUOTE that "racism". Apparently you can't do it.

I also asked why you're flailing around desperately to change the subject to something else so that Smirk-Boi goes unanswered. You didn't address that either; in fact once again you went right back to that same Deflection well.

Obviously you havent watched the videos. Why are you commenting on stories you arent even familiar with?

Obviously I have. That's how I can pin you down with questions you can't answer.

Or perhaps YOU haven't watched the videos.

"You white people go back to europe, where you came from"

"This is not your land"

"Get the fuck out of here"

"Youre being a white man about it" (whatever that means)

6:54

 

[Slade3200]

It’s just another nothing story that the media is blowing way out of proportion. A kid in a MAGA hat was staring down a old Native American playing a drum during a bunch of protests during the women’s march. Initial reaction was blaming the kids as instigators but then more footage came out and showed they weren’t doing what many originally claimed they were doing. Don’t know why this is national news

cause the media wants it to be. they WANTED *MAGA* to be shown to be all the things they say they are. when it wasn't true, it not only makes them a liar, but it pulls their entire premise into question. this is "National" news cause the "National Media" has been guilty of this for almost a decade at this point and it's getting worse.

you're about to see a lot of news media in court soon and as soon as one "journalist" loses, the dominos will fall and lawsuits will fly like bullets in a warzone.

it's national news cause our national news sucks.

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

I think it reasonable for each platform to have standards for their allowable content to make sure it isn’t too vulgar, threatening, or dangerous. I don’t think they need to be responsible for fact checking things one person says about another

 

[Pogo]

What I just asked you was why you keep trying to shift the focus off Smirk-Boi. And your response was to continue to shift the focus off Smirk-Boi. Thanks for proving my point.

You wanna talk "tomahawk chops" instead? That hasn't been explored much. Prolly because it undermines your little poor-me story of "confused kids who didn't know what was happening" and underscores the observation of "mob mentality" which means they weren't "confused" at all but had a focus, the smirk being one manifestation of that same purpose.

But just for laughs, what exactly does the Indian (proper names get capitals in English) say that's "racist"?

Youre still ignoring the actual racism that took place. Why?

Actually I just invited you to QUOTE that "racism". Apparently you can't do it.

I also asked why you're flailing around desperately to change the subject to something else so that Smirk-Boi goes unanswered. You didn't address that either; in fact once again you went right back to that same Deflection well.

Obviously you havent watched the videos. Why are you commenting on stories you arent even familiar with?

Obviously I have. That's how I can pin you down with questions you can't answer.

Or perhaps YOU haven't watched the videos.

"You white people go back to europe, where you came from"

"This is not your land"

"Get the fuck out of here"

"Youre being a white man about it" (whatever that means)

6:54

Thank you. I heard all of this two days ago. And how exactly is that "racist"?

What do you think "racist" actually means?

And ---- I'll keep asking this until I get an answer ---- why do you keep deflecting the topic from Smirk-Boi?

 

[boedicca]

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

Yeah that doesn't work at all. You actually thing Nosebook and Tweeter sit there and peruse everything anybody wants to post and puts their stamp of approval on it? That's utterly insane. No, they're not "publishers" any more than this site is, as Slade pointed out.

If you want to go after the actual posters of said libel, that's perfectly fine, by all means, but it has no application here.

As for what "libel" is I've got I forgot how many challenges lying on the field for any evidence of this "libel" committed by "the media" that's going to land them in "court" for "seven figures". I have yet to get a single response to them. Which basically means those fantasizing of "libel" have no clue how to "read".

So what you are saying is that Surveillance Media is Too Big To Succeed, so we should just accept their damaging impact upon people while they monetize our behavior without our consent or knowledge.

No thank you. I'll pass.

I'll pass too, I already did when I refused to have anything to do with that narcissistic shit.

But no, what I'm saying is don't sit there and pretend the Nosebooks are the "publisher". Publishers vet their content before they put their name on a book. Post 267 for an example is not "published" by USMB. It's posted by a specific person. If you want to go after that post you go after Picaro -- not the site.

Ain't rocket surgery.

Scuze moi, but the Surveillance Media have data scientists, algorithms and AI for analyzing all of this content. The only issue is them actually spending money to control content and then forgoing the profits that the monetization of the deleted toxic behavior would have generated.

USMB has mods that delete comments from users who cross the line. We do not see the Doxxing and calls to punch teenager in the face or to get them expelled from school here. The Mega Platforms enable and allow this hideous, illegal behavior...and actually PROFIT from it.

The Surveillance Media are not Too Big To Be Accountable.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you didn't address the point at all.

That being, *HOW* is a medium responsible for what someone writes on it? If Picaro spray-paints "Injuns go home" on a wall ---- shall we blame the wall? For "not being accountable"?

Is a newspaper responsible for the "letters to the editor" and classified ads it publishes? Yes and Yes.

If Picaro sprays on a wall, he has vandalized the wall - not the same as if the building owner provided the spray paint and stood back and watched.

You lose.

 

[boedicca]

It’s just another nothing story that the media is blowing way out of proportion. A kid in a MAGA hat was staring down a old Native American playing a drum during a bunch of protests during the women’s march. Initial reaction was blaming the kids as instigators but then more footage came out and showed they weren’t doing what many originally claimed they were doing. Don’t know why this is national news

cause the media wants it to be. they WANTED *MAGA* to be shown to be all the things they say they are. when it wasn't true, it not only makes them a liar, but it pulls their entire premise into question. this is "National" news cause the "National Media" has been guilty of this for almost a decade at this point and it's getting worse.

you're about to see a lot of news media in court soon and as soon as one "journalist" loses, the dominos will fall and lawsuits will fly like bullets in a warzone.

it's national news cause our national news sucks.

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

If they're not responsible for it, they should be prohibited from mining data from the use of their platforms.

 

[boedicca]

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

USMB is not part of the Surveillance Media Oligopoly which monetizes our behavior and personal data. GOOG, FB and TWTR are. They have used the lack of regulations regarding tracking people to make vast amounts of wealth under the cover that as platforms, they are not responsible for the content. The censoring and banishment of conservatives proves them wrong, as does the manipulation of search result presentation, news feed prioritization and "suggestions". They are content providers with editorial responsibility. If they are too big to manage their content, then let them be broken up or collapse under their own weight.

Call me old school but I don’t think the companies or platforms are the problem. The problem is us, the people, the drama hungry puppets that allow ourselves to get consumed by all that garbage. It’s our choice to join and use those sites. Nobody is twisting our arm.

The Surveillance Media are a huge part of the problem. Why do you think they gather up all of that data? To manipulate behavior. They encourage and support online outrage mobs. It is one of the biggest threats to our society these days, imho.

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

USMB is not part of the Surveillance Media Oligopoly which monetizes our behavior and personal data. GOOG, FB and TWTR are. They have used the lack of regulations regarding tracking people to make vast amounts of wealth under the cover that as platforms, they are not responsible for the content. The censoring and banishment of conservatives proves them wrong, as does the manipulation of search result presentation, news feed prioritization and "suggestions". They are content providers with editorial responsibility. If they are too big to manage their content, then let them be broken up or collapse under their own weight.

Call me old school but I don’t think the companies or platforms are the problem. The problem is us, the people, the drama hungry puppets that allow ourselves to get consumed by all that garbage. It’s our choice to join and use those sites. Nobody is twisting our arm.

The Surveillance Media are a huge part of the problem. Why do you think they gather up all of that data? To manipulate behavior. They encourage and support online outrage mobs. It is one of the biggest threats to our society these days, imho.

i think it's more trying to understand behavior so they can show us ads we're likely to react to.

more reactions, better click %. better click % more money.

hence knowing our habits and catering to them is pure dollars in action.

Well, yes - they are driven to maximize add dollars. And in so doing, they hoover up other data without our consent (location, etc.) They have crossed the line from observing behavior to being puppet masters. I don't think that is at all beneficial to us as individuals or to our society at large.

 

[boedicca]

cause the media wants it to be. they WANTED *MAGA* to be shown to be all the things they say they are. when it wasn't true, it not only makes them a liar, but it pulls their entire premise into question. this is "National" news cause the "National Media" has been guilty of this for almost a decade at this point and it's getting worse.

you're about to see a lot of news media in court soon and as soon as one "journalist" loses, the dominos will fall and lawsuits will fly like bullets in a warzone.

it's national news cause our national news sucks.

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

I think it reasonable for each platform to have standards for their allowable content to make sure it isn’t too vulgar, threatening, or dangerous. I don’t think they need to be responsible for fact checking things one person says about another

Underlying your reasoning is the presumption that the volume is too much for them to responsibly manage as content publishers.

That's a Fake Excuse.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah that doesn't work at all. You actually thing Nosebook and Tweeter sit there and peruse everything anybody wants to post and puts their stamp of approval on it? That's utterly insane. No, they're not "publishers" any more than this site is, as Slade pointed out.

If you want to go after the actual posters of said libel, that's perfectly fine, by all means, but it has no application here.

As for what "libel" is I've got I forgot how many challenges lying on the field for any evidence of this "libel" committed by "the media" that's going to land them in "court" for "seven figures". I have yet to get a single response to them. Which basically means those fantasizing of "libel" have no clue how to "read".

So what you are saying is that Surveillance Media is Too Big To Succeed, so we should just accept their damaging impact upon people while they monetize our behavior without our consent or knowledge.

No thank you. I'll pass.

I'll pass too, I already did when I refused to have anything to do with that narcissistic shit.

But no, what I'm saying is don't sit there and pretend the Nosebooks are the "publisher". Publishers vet their content before they put their name on a book. Post 267 for an example is not "published" by USMB. It's posted by a specific person. If you want to go after that post you go after Picaro -- not the site.

Ain't rocket surgery.

Scuze moi, but the Surveillance Media have data scientists, algorithms and AI for analyzing all of this content. The only issue is them actually spending money to control content and then forgoing the profits that the monetization of the deleted toxic behavior would have generated.

USMB has mods that delete comments from users who cross the line. We do not see the Doxxing and calls to punch teenager in the face or to get them expelled from school here. The Mega Platforms enable and allow this hideous, illegal behavior...and actually PROFIT from it.

The Surveillance Media are not Too Big To Be Accountable.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you didn't address the point at all.

That being, *HOW* is a medium responsible for what someone writes on it? If Picaro spray-paints "Injuns go home" on a wall ---- shall we blame the wall? For "not being accountable"?

Is a newspaper responsible for the "letters to the editor" and classified ads it publishes? Yes and Yes.

Actually no. That's why it points out "opinions are those of the writer and not necessarily those of the Daily Rag". Broadcast stations will do the same thing. Or if they're owning the material they'll say "this is a production of XYZ which is solely responsible for its content".

If Picaro sprays on a wall, he has vandalized the wall - not the same as if the building owner provided the spray paint and stood back and watched.

You lose.

Hardly. I devastated you with an apt analogy and now you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's still the WALL displaying the message. Without the wall nothing can be read. Yet you want to blame the wall and ignore the sprayer --- the actual action that put the message on it. Ergo YOU lose.

 

[Pogo]

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

I think it reasonable for each platform to have standards for their allowable content to make sure it isn’t too vulgar, threatening, or dangerous. I don’t think they need to be responsible for fact checking things one person says about another

Underlying your reasoning is the presumption that the volume is too much for them to responsibly manage as content publishers.

That's a Fake Excuse.

They ARE NOT "content publishers". That's your false premise. They are a MEDIUM.

Hate to bring you up to speed by stating the obvious but when Jim Fucking Hoft thinks he has a story because somebody tweeted something, and that's his 'source' --- HE'S FULL OF SHIT. By that standard post 267 here is a "story" too.

 

[boedicca]

So what you are saying is that Surveillance Media is Too Big To Succeed, so we should just accept their damaging impact upon people while they monetize our behavior without our consent or knowledge.

No thank you. I'll pass.

I'll pass too, I already did when I refused to have anything to do with that narcissistic shit.

But no, what I'm saying is don't sit there and pretend the Nosebooks are the "publisher". Publishers vet their content before they put their name on a book. Post 267 for an example is not "published" by USMB. It's posted by a specific person. If you want to go after that post you go after Picaro -- not the site.

Ain't rocket surgery.

Scuze moi, but the Surveillance Media have data scientists, algorithms and AI for analyzing all of this content. The only issue is them actually spending money to control content and then forgoing the profits that the monetization of the deleted toxic behavior would have generated.

USMB has mods that delete comments from users who cross the line. We do not see the Doxxing and calls to punch teenager in the face or to get them expelled from school here. The Mega Platforms enable and allow this hideous, illegal behavior...and actually PROFIT from it.

The Surveillance Media are not Too Big To Be Accountable.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you didn't address the point at all.

That being, *HOW* is a medium responsible for what someone writes on it? If Picaro spray-paints "Injuns go home" on a wall ---- shall we blame the wall? For "not being accountable"?

Is a newspaper responsible for the "letters to the editor" and classified ads it publishes? Yes and Yes.

Actually no. That's why it points out "opinions are those of the writer and not necessarily those of the Daily Rag". Broadcast stations will do the same thing. Or if they're owning the material they'll say "this is a production of XYZ which is solely responsible for its content".

If Picaro sprays on a wall, he has vandalized the wall - not the same as if the building owner provided the spray paint and stood back and watched.

You lose.

Hardly. I devastated you with an apt analogy and now you're scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's still the WALL displaying the message. Without the wall nothing can be read. Yet you want to blame the wall and ignore the sprayer --- the actual action that put the message on it. Ergo YOU lose.

In my years of reading actual newspapers, I never saw a published letter to the editor which doxxed a high school student and called for him to be punched in the face. Editors actually curated those letters and ensured that toxic letters were not published. So, your comparison fails, again.

You did not make an apt analogy regarding the wall. Physical destruction of property is not the same as spewing hateful content that is supported by the normal function of a platform.

 

[boedicca]

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

I think it reasonable for each platform to have standards for their allowable content to make sure it isn’t too vulgar, threatening, or dangerous. I don’t think they need to be responsible for fact checking things one person says about another

Underlying your reasoning is the presumption that the volume is too much for them to responsibly manage as content publishers.

That's a Fake Excuse.

They ARE NOT "content publishers". That's your false premise. They are a MEDIUM.

Hate to bring you up to speed by stating the obvious but when Jim Fucking Hoft thinks he has a story because somebody tweeted something, and that's his 'source' --- HE'S FULL OF SHIT. By that standard post 267 here is a "story" too.

Well, as a MEDIUM they are part of the MEDIA which are responsible for content.

You lose again.

 

[Slade3200]

Youre still ignoring the actual racism that took place. Why?

Actually I just invited you to QUOTE that "racism". Apparently you can't do it.

I also asked why you're flailing around desperately to change the subject to something else so that Smirk-Boi goes unanswered. You didn't address that either; in fact once again you went right back to that same Deflection well.

Obviously you havent watched the videos. Why are you commenting on stories you arent even familiar with?

Obviously I have. That's how I can pin you down with questions you can't answer.

Or perhaps YOU haven't watched the videos.

"You white people go back to europe, where you came from"

"This is not your land"

"Get the fuck out of here"

"Youre being a white man about it" (whatever that means)

6:54

Thank you. I heard all of this two days ago. And how exactly is that "racist"?

What do you think "racist" actually means?

And ---- I'll keep asking this until I get an answer ---- why do you keep deflecting the topic from Smirk-Boi?

Seriously guys, this situation isn’t that hard to fairly lay out... a bunch of kids hopped up on Mountain Dew were mouthing off at the center of lively political protests. The Black Hebrew Israelites we’re guilty of yelling ugly stuff, the kids were yelling ugly stuff. The Native Americans walked into the crowd of kids, maybe to calm them down or maybe to push back against the MAGA. Smirk boy played tough guy and decided to get in a stare down with drum beater. Some of the Indians crossed the line by getting in an inappropriate yelling match with the kids. The media released a very bias and narrow story focusing on the MAGA and not showing all aspects of what happened and now it’s blowing back in their face. So every group holds some responsibility. Can we all agree and end this BS now?!

 

[Godboy]

Youre still ignoring the actual racism that took place. Why?

Actually I just invited you to QUOTE that "racism". Apparently you can't do it.

I also asked why you're flailing around desperately to change the subject to something else so that Smirk-Boi goes unanswered. You didn't address that either; in fact once again you went right back to that same Deflection well.

Obviously you havent watched the videos. Why are you commenting on stories you arent even familiar with?

Obviously I have. That's how I can pin you down with questions you can't answer.

Or perhaps YOU haven't watched the videos.

"You white people go back to europe, where you came from"

"This is not your land"

"Get the fuck out of here"

"Youre being a white man about it" (whatever that means)

6:54

Thank you. I heard all of this two days ago. And how exactly is that "racist"?

What do you think "racist" actually means?

And ---- I'll keep asking this until I get an answer ---- why do you keep deflecting the topic from Smirk-Boi?

Are you fucking retarded or just a racist towards white peopl? There is no way a normal person would think that isnt obvious racism. Hes literally calling out their skin color angrilly.

 

[Godboy]

Actually I just invited you to QUOTE that "racism". Apparently you can't do it.

I also asked why you're flailing around desperately to change the subject to something else so that Smirk-Boi goes unanswered. You didn't address that either; in fact once again you went right back to that same Deflection well.

Obviously you havent watched the videos. Why are you commenting on stories you arent even familiar with?

Obviously I have. That's how I can pin you down with questions you can't answer.

Or perhaps YOU haven't watched the videos.

"You white people go back to europe, where you came from"

"This is not your land"

"Get the fuck out of here"

"Youre being a white man about it" (whatever that means)

6:54

Thank you. I heard all of this two days ago. And how exactly is that "racist"?

What do you think "racist" actually means?

And ---- I'll keep asking this until I get an answer ---- why do you keep deflecting the topic from Smirk-Boi?

Seriously guys, this situation isn’t that hard to fairly lay out... a bunch of kids hopped up on Mountain Dew were mouthing off at the center of lively political protests. The Black Hebrew Israelites we’re guilty of yelling ugly stuff, the kids were yelling ugly stuff. The Native Americans walked into the crowd of kids, maybe to calm them down or maybe to push back against the MAGA. Smirk boy played tough guy and decided to get in a stare down with drum beater. Some of the Indians crossed the line by getting in an inappropriate yelling match with the kids. The media released a very bias and narrow story focusing on the MAGA and not showing all aspects of what happened and now it’s blowing back in their face. So every group holds some responsibility. Can we all agree and end this BS now?!

What ugly stuff did the kids yell? For the record, youll need video evidence to back up your claim.

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah that doesn't work at all. You actually thing Nosebook and Tweeter sit there and peruse everything anybody wants to post and puts their stamp of approval on it? That's utterly insane. No, they're not "publishers" any more than this site is, as Slade pointed out.

If you want to go after the actual posters of said libel, that's perfectly fine, by all means, but it has no application here.

As for what "libel" is I've got I forgot how many challenges lying on the field for any evidence of this "libel" committed by "the media" that's going to land them in "court" for "seven figures". I have yet to get a single response to them. Which basically means those fantasizing of "libel" have no clue how to "read".

So what you are saying is that Surveillance Media is Too Big To Succeed, so we should just accept their damaging impact upon people while they monetize our behavior without our consent or knowledge.

No thank you. I'll pass.

I'll pass too, I already did when I refused to have anything to do with that narcissistic shit.

But no, what I'm saying is don't sit there and pretend the Nosebooks are the "publisher". Publishers vet their content before they put their name on a book. Post 267 for an example is not "published" by USMB. It's posted by a specific person. If you want to go after that post you go after Picaro -- not the site.

Ain't rocket surgery.

Scuze moi, but the Surveillance Media have data scientists, algorithms and AI for analyzing all of this content. The only issue is them actually spending money to control content and then forgoing the profits that the monetization of the deleted toxic behavior would have generated.

USMB has mods that delete comments from users who cross the line. We do not see the Doxxing and calls to punch teenager in the face or to get them expelled from school here. The Mega Platforms enable and allow this hideous, illegal behavior...and actually PROFIT from it.

The Surveillance Media are not Too Big To Be Accountable.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you didn't address the point at all.

That being, *HOW* is a medium responsible for what someone writes on it? If Picaro spray-paints "Injuns go home" on a wall ---- shall we blame the wall? For "not being accountable"?

Is a newspaper responsible for the "letters to the editor" and classified ads it publishes? Yes and Yes.

If Picaro sprays on a wall, he has vandalized the wall - not the same as if the building owner provided the spray paint and stood back and watched.

You lose.

Newspapers edit and decide what is published so yes they are responsible. Social media does not edit and review everything that is published. They have algorithms that flag, copywrited, vulgar, or dangerous material so there are some filters in place but it is a very different medium than a newspaper or magazine

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah, it’s an issue. I’m all for the first amendment but something is broken here and there needs to be accountability

What needs to be done is for Google, Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the Surveillance Media to be declared content publishers and subject to libel laws.

I’m not a fan of social media but I don’t see how they can possibly be responsible for everything their millions of users write on their sites. Do you think USMB should be responsible for everything every dumbass posts here in the forum?

if they're not responsible for it then they need to stop policing it to determine what is right and wrong.

I think it reasonable for each platform to have standards for their allowable content to make sure it isn’t too vulgar, threatening, or dangerous. I don’t think they need to be responsible for fact checking things one person says about another

Underlying your reasoning is the presumption that the volume is too much for them to responsibly manage as content publishers.

That's a Fake Excuse.

Again I’ll ask, how is it different from USMB? They screen posts but should they be responsible for libel and the content we post?