So....how many posters do we have who have heard of this INCEL Movement?

[danielpalos]

Solving for simple poverty is the goal. That must engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy. That is all.

Solving for simple poverty is best left to programs designed for such things, like welfare, food stamps, gov't subsidized housing ect.

lol. that is complicated poverty not simple poverty.

Those programs provide what the poor actually need. Giving them a check for $470 does not provide for all their needs. It might provide for all your wants, and that is why you think it is best.

an income is helpful under capitalism.

Sure it is. I'm also sure it is helpful if you want to take women out to dinner. But $470 a week does not pay rent, utilities, transportation costs, buy food and pay for healthcare.

it does cover some costs. a roommate may be necessary.

 

[danielpalos]

you don't know what you are talking about. besides, a third party could do it as well.

And up to a third of the resources available would be used to pay the third party. Now for someone like you who only wants money for fun, that might not be an issue.

some places can do it for free.

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

Mailboxes Ect?? LMAO!! Are you daft? YOu want a monumental program, such as replacing welfare with unemployment compensation, to happen at Mailboxes Ect?? No, it could not be setup there.

they could receive their checks in the mail, there.

 

[danielpalos]

you don't know what you are talking about. besides, a third party could do it as well.

And up to a third of the resources available would be used to pay the third party. Now for someone like you who only wants money for fun, that might not be an issue.

some places can do it for free.

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

And why would anyone spend such a substantial part of their income to pay for the admin costs of a gov't program?

to be market friendly. that is the goal under Capitalism.

 

[WinterBorn]

Easily? All we have to do is completely rework the requirements and conditions for unemployment compensation, allow for massive fraud, revamp the entire state ID system, and to make the social agencies (and the unemployment offices) responsible for holding checks worth tens of thousands of dollars.

Or, we could leave the systems we have in place and let them do what they are designed to do, and come up with more viable answer to the homeless problem.

simplification is less expensive.

Well, your reply is certainly simple. But inaccurate. Nothing you have said or shown gives any indication that unemployment compensation is less expensive, nor that all the reworking of systems simplifies anything.

lol. you simply understand nothing. unemployment compensation must be less expensive than Any form of means testing.

Why must it be? Because you want it to be?

The means testing is only verified in 10% of the cases or less. That means 90% or more are simply requiring the applicant to fill out forms. That costs little to nothing.

I understand that you are happy to lie and slant things towards what you want.

lol. simply Because, means testing has nothing to do with economics.

Never said it did. It has to do with preventing fraud. The program is meant to help people who need help.

 

[WinterBorn]

Once again, the capital circulates very well. Or can you finally answer my question of why you think it doesn't circulate if left in the hands of those who earned it?

why do we have any social services at all, if capital circulates so well under capitalism?

Social services are not to circulate capital. They are meant to provide a safety net for those who need it.

why do we have any homeless?

There are numerous reasons, as we have been through before. But a large majority of homeless have addiction and/or mental health issues. Which you refuse to acknowledge.

anyone with an income can be treated in a market friendly manner.

So you think $470 a week will pay rent, utilities, groceries, AND pay for healthcare with a serious pre-existing condition? You're dreaming.

 

[WinterBorn]

And up to a third of the resources available would be used to pay the third party. Now for someone like you who only wants money for fun, that might not be an issue.

some places can do it for free.

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

Mailboxes Ect?? LMAO!! Are you daft? YOu want a monumental program, such as replacing welfare with unemployment compensation, to happen at Mailboxes Ect?? No, it could not be setup there.

they could receive their checks in the mail, there.

They could?

Here is what the website for Mailboxes Ect says about how to get a mailbox:
"Renting your virtual mailbox can get done in 4 easy steps:

• first, you need to choose a plan and mailbox address, you can get yours today for as little as $9.95 per month.
• Then you’ll need to fill out a USPS Form 1583 which is a postal consent form authorizing a third party to receive and handle your mail.
• When done, have the form notarized and send it to PostScan Mail with two forms of ID. Once your account is set up, you can start receiving mail regularly.
• You’ll need to apply for a change of address to have your mailing address updated with your new mailbox which can be done online for $1 at USPS.com."

Plus, they cost between $20 and $25 each. So either the person would get $445 a week or you expect the gov't to pay $11 million to rent the mailboxes. That $11 million could do a lot more to help the 553,000 homeless people in the US.

Besides, you have to have two forms of ID.

 

[WinterBorn]

And up to a third of the resources available would be used to pay the third party. Now for someone like you who only wants money for fun, that might not be an issue.

some places can do it for free.

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

And why would anyone spend such a substantial part of their income to pay for the admin costs of a gov't program?

to be market friendly. that is the goal under Capitalism.

The goal under Capitalism is to make profits. Those profits are already market friendly.

Someone spending thousands of dollars of their own money to satisfy a new system that will allow people who choose not to work is not market friendly.

Market friendly involves two things. First, circulation of capital. You have that part. But it also involves each person producing something, in the form of either goods or services. You willfully ignore that part.

 

[danielpalos]

simplification is less expensive.

Well, your reply is certainly simple. But inaccurate. Nothing you have said or shown gives any indication that unemployment compensation is less expensive, nor that all the reworking of systems simplifies anything.

lol. you simply understand nothing. unemployment compensation must be less expensive than Any form of means testing.

Why must it be? Because you want it to be?

The means testing is only verified in 10% of the cases or less. That means 90% or more are simply requiring the applicant to fill out forms. That costs little to nothing.

I understand that you are happy to lie and slant things towards what you want.

lol. simply Because, means testing has nothing to do with economics.

Never said it did. It has to do with preventing fraud. The program is meant to help people who need help.

some people are merely unemployed. equal protection of the law is what they need.

 

[danielpalos]

why do we have any social services at all, if capital circulates so well under capitalism?

Social services are not to circulate capital. They are meant to provide a safety net for those who need it.

why do we have any homeless?

There are numerous reasons, as we have been through before. But a large majority of homeless have addiction and/or mental health issues. Which you refuse to acknowledge.

anyone with an income can be treated in a market friendly manner.

So you think $470 a week will pay rent, utilities, groceries, AND pay for healthcare with a serious pre-existing condition? You're dreaming.

means testing would be available for someone for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough.

 

[danielpalos]

some places can do it for free.

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

Mailboxes Ect?? LMAO!! Are you daft? YOu want a monumental program, such as replacing welfare with unemployment compensation, to happen at Mailboxes Ect?? No, it could not be setup there.

they could receive their checks in the mail, there.

They could?

Here is what the website for Mailboxes Ect says about how to get a mailbox:
"Renting your virtual mailbox can get done in 4 easy steps:

• first, you need to choose a plan and mailbox address, you can get yours today for as little as $9.95 per month.
• Then you’ll need to fill out a USPS Form 1583 which is a postal consent form authorizing a third party to receive and handle your mail.
• When done, have the form notarized and send it to PostScan Mail with two forms of ID. Once your account is set up, you can start receiving mail regularly.
• You’ll need to apply for a change of address to have your mailing address updated with your new mailbox which can be done online for $1 at USPS.com."

Plus, they cost between $20 and $25 each. So either the person would get $445 a week or you expect the gov't to pay $11 million to rent the mailboxes. That $11 million could do a lot more to help the 553,000 homeless people in the US.

Besides, you have to have two forms of ID.

your point? you allege people are willing to commit fraud but not get an id.

 

[danielpalos]

some places can do it for free.

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

And why would anyone spend such a substantial part of their income to pay for the admin costs of a gov't program?

to be market friendly. that is the goal under Capitalism.

The goal under Capitalism is to make profits. Those profits are already market friendly.

Someone spending thousands of dollars of their own money to satisfy a new system that will allow people who choose not to work is not market friendly.

Market friendly involves two things. First, circulation of capital. You have that part. But it also involves each person producing something, in the form of either goods or services. You willfully ignore that part.

employment is at the will of either party. we are talking about compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Don't tell me, you are merely a hypocrite concerning illegals.

 

[beautress]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

It seems that this new modern society breeds more and more incompetent people. They can't get laid, nor can they figure out how to make themselves appealing so they lash out like the spoiled brats they are. A true shame but that is one of the results that an undeserved sense of entitlement breeds.

"They can't get laid...."
​

Maybe they can't bring themselves to ask a girl to marry them for which they would receive a lifetime of bliss rather than a one-night stand which leaves them with nothing permanent to look forward to.

 

[WinterBorn]

Well, your reply is certainly simple. But inaccurate. Nothing you have said or shown gives any indication that unemployment compensation is less expensive, nor that all the reworking of systems simplifies anything.

lol. you simply understand nothing. unemployment compensation must be less expensive than Any form of means testing.

Why must it be? Because you want it to be?

The means testing is only verified in 10% of the cases or less. That means 90% or more are simply requiring the applicant to fill out forms. That costs little to nothing.

I understand that you are happy to lie and slant things towards what you want.

lol. simply Because, means testing has nothing to do with economics.

Never said it did. It has to do with preventing fraud. The program is meant to help people who need help.

some people are merely unemployed. equal protection of the law is what they need.

I thought you said they "opted out" of working?

Merely unemployed? Through no fault of their own? Great! They can collect unemployment compensation for around 6 months. More if unemployment is high.

 

[WinterBorn]

Social services are not to circulate capital. They are meant to provide a safety net for those who need it.

why do we have any homeless?

There are numerous reasons, as we have been through before. But a large majority of homeless have addiction and/or mental health issues. Which you refuse to acknowledge.

anyone with an income can be treated in a market friendly manner.

So you think $470 a week will pay rent, utilities, groceries, AND pay for healthcare with a serious pre-existing condition? You're dreaming.

means testing would be available for someone for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough.

Means testing is mandatory for anyone who doesn't qualify for unemployment compensation and needs money. It is part of the fraud prevention for gov't programs to help people.

 

[WinterBorn]

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

Mailboxes Ect?? LMAO!! Are you daft? YOu want a monumental program, such as replacing welfare with unemployment compensation, to happen at Mailboxes Ect?? No, it could not be setup there.

they could receive their checks in the mail, there.

They could?

Here is what the website for Mailboxes Ect says about how to get a mailbox:
"Renting your virtual mailbox can get done in 4 easy steps:

• first, you need to choose a plan and mailbox address, you can get yours today for as little as $9.95 per month.
• Then you’ll need to fill out a USPS Form 1583 which is a postal consent form authorizing a third party to receive and handle your mail.
• When done, have the form notarized and send it to PostScan Mail with two forms of ID. Once your account is set up, you can start receiving mail regularly.
• You’ll need to apply for a change of address to have your mailing address updated with your new mailbox which can be done online for $1 at USPS.com."

Plus, they cost between $20 and $25 each. So either the person would get $445 a week or you expect the gov't to pay $11 million to rent the mailboxes. That $11 million could do a lot more to help the 553,000 homeless people in the US.

Besides, you have to have two forms of ID.

your point? you allege people are willing to commit fraud but not get an id.

No, my point is that people are willing to commit fraud to get money.
And that homeless people cannot get an ID because they do not have an actual address.

 

[WinterBorn]

It would require a place to setup, which means having power, water, sewer, garbage pickup, phone lines, furniture and security. Then it would require having at least a dozen people to handle all the administrative tasks. And administrative costs would include numerous things such as bulk paper, copiers, notepads, pens, and the like. You would also need quite a few secure computers to take care of the various tasks. And lastly, a method of printing the checks.

You know someone who would do that for free?

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

And why would anyone spend such a substantial part of their income to pay for the admin costs of a gov't program?

to be market friendly. that is the goal under Capitalism.

The goal under Capitalism is to make profits. Those profits are already market friendly.

Someone spending thousands of dollars of their own money to satisfy a new system that will allow people who choose not to work is not market friendly.

Market friendly involves two things. First, circulation of capital. You have that part. But it also involves each person producing something, in the form of either goods or services. You willfully ignore that part.

employment is at the will of either party. we are talking about compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Don't tell me, you are merely a hypocrite concerning illegals.

And if they are simply unemployed through not fault of their own, they can get unemployment compensation. If they quit or are fired for willfully doing something they new was against the law or the company rules, they cannot draw unemployment compensation. They are responsible for their choices.

 

[beautress]

I stumbled across a thread on this board a few months ago wherein several posters were bitch whining about their inability to get laid. They blamed “feminist bitches” for this problem.

I suggested they join social groups of people with common interests, get to know some of the women, build friendship which would lead to relationships. It quickly became apparent why these asshats weren’t getting laid.

They had no interest in socializing with women, or getting to know them, or building relationships. They didn’t even like women. They just wanted them to lay down and spread their legs.

At the same time, they referred to women who are having sex with other men as “sluts” and “whores”. I don’t know of any women willing to have sex with misogynistic assholes like these guys either, except for hookers. But you know they don’t want to or can’t afford to pay for it.

A classic case of entitled assholes who refuse to see that the source of their problem is looking right at them every morning in their bathroom mirrors.

Hmmmm, got a link that that supposed "discussion". I review thousands of threads on this Board and have never come across anything even remotely like what you describe.

Did you see this one? SlutWalks Sweep The Nation

 

[danielpalos]

lol. you simply understand nothing. unemployment compensation must be less expensive than Any form of means testing.

Why must it be? Because you want it to be?

The means testing is only verified in 10% of the cases or less. That means 90% or more are simply requiring the applicant to fill out forms. That costs little to nothing.

I understand that you are happy to lie and slant things towards what you want.

lol. simply Because, means testing has nothing to do with economics.

Never said it did. It has to do with preventing fraud. The program is meant to help people who need help.

some people are merely unemployed. equal protection of the law is what they need.

I thought you said they "opted out" of working?

Merely unemployed? Through no fault of their own? Great! They can collect unemployment compensation for around 6 months. More if unemployment is high.

The law is employment at the will of either party, not limited by the State.

 

[danielpalos]

why do we have any homeless?

There are numerous reasons, as we have been through before. But a large majority of homeless have addiction and/or mental health issues. Which you refuse to acknowledge.

anyone with an income can be treated in a market friendly manner.

So you think $470 a week will pay rent, utilities, groceries, AND pay for healthcare with a serious pre-existing condition? You're dreaming.

means testing would be available for someone for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough.

Means testing is mandatory for anyone who doesn't qualify for unemployment compensation and needs money. It is part of the fraud prevention for gov't programs to help people.

In an at-will employment State, a person merely need be unemployed on an at-will basis. EDD must prove for-cause employment to deny or disparage unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in at at-will employment State.

 

[danielpalos]

anybody with an income can setup at mail boxes etcetera.

Mailboxes Ect?? LMAO!! Are you daft? YOu want a monumental program, such as replacing welfare with unemployment compensation, to happen at Mailboxes Ect?? No, it could not be setup there.

they could receive their checks in the mail, there.

They could?

Here is what the website for Mailboxes Ect says about how to get a mailbox:
"Renting your virtual mailbox can get done in 4 easy steps:

• first, you need to choose a plan and mailbox address, you can get yours today for as little as $9.95 per month.
• Then you’ll need to fill out a USPS Form 1583 which is a postal consent form authorizing a third party to receive and handle your mail.
• When done, have the form notarized and send it to PostScan Mail with two forms of ID. Once your account is set up, you can start receiving mail regularly.
• You’ll need to apply for a change of address to have your mailing address updated with your new mailbox which can be done online for $1 at USPS.com."

Plus, they cost between $20 and $25 each. So either the person would get $445 a week or you expect the gov't to pay $11 million to rent the mailboxes. That $11 million could do a lot more to help the 553,000 homeless people in the US.

Besides, you have to have two forms of ID.

your point? you allege people are willing to commit fraud but not get an id.

No, my point is that people are willing to commit fraud to get money.
And that homeless people cannot get an ID because they do not have an actual address.

Government must have solutions not excuses.