So nominee Gorsuch proclaims Roe v. Wade as precedent

[JakeStarkey]

So your solution is murder. Charming.

This is about support for the fetus through early youth, which the far and alt right will not commit to doing right by the child. Charming.

the two people who create the child are responsible for it, not society as a whole. That's what you libs refuse to understand------------personal responsibility for your acts.

What you subhumans refused to recognize that, yes, the society as a whole is responsible for the members of society.

No, I am not responsible for you and you are not responsible for me. I don't want to take care of you and I don't want you taking care of me.

Its insane to think that society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of every person.

But you make that stupid claim and then come out in favor of abortion, hypocrisy is YOU.

You don't want to take care of anyone and don't want them taking care of you, but you're certainly willing to butt into their reproductive choices.

Redfish claims to be conservative but in fact is alt right, which means he gets to have conservative values apply to him but also gets to tell society how to live.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But it was declared a tax

Just because it was "declared" a tax doesn't make it one.

Yes it does. We have laws in this country, maybe you've heard.

But judges don't make the law. Perhaps you've heard.

 

[Chuz Life]

which ones?

Only 29 states have a fetal homicide law.

Is Killing Pregnant Woman a Double Murder?

29 is more than half. (Even if we use Obummer's count). Plus we have the Federal law and I'm fairly certain that the count is above 30 now, anyway.

Did I say fewer than half had the law? It doesn't matter, the law was pushed through by anti-choice zealots so they could go around making bullshit claims like "An embryo is a person, why else would killing pregnant woman be double-murder?!"

It's a self-fulfilling claim, spouted by rightwingers who've consistently failed at logic.

If all your mischaracterizing of the fetal homicide laws were fact... why do you suppose the SCOTUS has upheld those laws for well over a decade now?

Why isn't Planned Parenthood and the ACLU doing anything to overturn those laws?

Because contrary to your Masturbatory fantasies, PP and the ACLU aren't active advocates of murder, or murderers.

What dafuq?

Did you even bother read the question?

 

[Borillar]

Because pro-life zealots pushed that law through in many red states.

It's not a law in many others.

which ones?

Only 29 states have a fetal homicide law.

Is Killing Pregnant Woman a Double Murder?

29 is more than half. (Even if we use Obummer's count). Plus we have the Federal law and I'm fairly certain that the count is above 30 now, anyway.

Did I say fewer than half had the law? It doesn't matter, the law was pushed through by anti-choice zealots so they could go around making bullshit claims like "An embryo is a person, why else would killing pregnant woman be double-murder?!"

It's a self-fulfilling claim, spouted by rightwingers who've consistently failed at logic.

If all your mischaracterizing of the fetal homicide laws were fact... why do you suppose the SCOTUS has upheld those laws for well over a decade now?

Why isn't Planned Parenthood and the ACLU doing anything to overturn those laws?

Because there are more conservatives on the SC bench than liberals. 5 of the justices are Catholic and may hold those beliefs. I am actually surprised that the SC hasn't overturned Roe v Wade given these demographics.

 

[Chuz Life]

which ones?

Only 29 states have a fetal homicide law.

Is Killing Pregnant Woman a Double Murder?

29 is more than half. (Even if we use Obummer's count). Plus we have the Federal law and I'm fairly certain that the count is above 30 now, anyway.

Did I say fewer than half had the law? It doesn't matter, the law was pushed through by anti-choice zealots so they could go around making bullshit claims like "An embryo is a person, why else would killing pregnant woman be double-murder?!"

It's a self-fulfilling claim, spouted by rightwingers who've consistently failed at logic.

If all your mischaracterizing of the fetal homicide laws were fact... why do you suppose the SCOTUS has upheld those laws for well over a decade now?

Why isn't Planned Parenthood and the ACLU doing anything to overturn those laws?

Because there are more conservatives on the SC bench than liberals. 5 of the justices are Catholic and may hold those beliefs. I am actually surprised that the SC hasn't overturned Roe v Wade given these demographics.

It makes me sick to think about a Supreme Court Justice's views and opinions might be shaped by their religious beliefs. I would hope they are more objective than that.

No-one should need religion to know / understand how legalized abortion violates the Constitutional rights of the children killed by them.

 

[NoNukes]

Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.

So, slavery was not a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights when it was upheld by the courts as legal?

Using your logic, slavery was no harm no foul for as long as it was "legal."

Fallacy of false equivalents, chuz. Abortion is a medical term not a criminal term in law.

abortion ends a human life, so does murder. Its exactly the same thing except for the location of the victim.

How about answering this that not one of you libs has ever answered: Why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder if the fetus is not a human being?

A travesty of justice.

murdering millions of unborn black children is a travesty of humanity. Don't you fools know that Margaret Sanger started PP to stop the black birth rate? PP is one of the most racist organizations in the country, and you libs worship them, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

According to the Supreme Court, aborting a fetus is not killing a human being. Live with it.

 

[NoNukes]

Why do you loons cheer legislation that allows murdering the most innocent of all? Freaking ghouls

Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.

So, slavery was not a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights when it was upheld by the courts as legal?

Using your logic, slavery was no harm no foul for as long as it was "legal."

we are not talking about slavery.

Thats Right.

We are talking about the past application of your same failed fucking logic. Aren't we.

Not at all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why do you loons cheer legislation that allows murdering the most innocent of all? Freaking ghouls

Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.

So, slavery was not a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights when it was upheld by the courts as legal?

Using your logic, slavery was no harm no foul for as long as it was "legal."

we are not talking about slavery.

Thats Right.

We are talking about the past application of your same failed fucking logic. Aren't we.

Not at all.

Chuz's failure is based on a fallacy of false equivalency. The fact is tht SCOTUS disagrees with his reasoning. End of story.

 

[Redfish]

The Margaret Sanger false meme was defeated long, long ago, so, no, Redfish, you don't get "just once more" on that nonsense.

To let a racist shit like you to define who is racist or not is like letting a SS do that.

wrong.

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Diane Dew dot com?

LOL, sounds authoritative!

'

those are Sanger quotes. Deal with the fact that her goal for PP was to reduce the black birth rate.

 

[Redfish]

So your solution is murder. Charming.

This is about support for the fetus through early youth, which the far and alt right will not commit to doing right by the child. Charming.

the two people who create the child are responsible for it, not society as a whole. That's what you libs refuse to understand------------personal responsibility for your acts.

What you subhumans refused to recognize that, yes, the society as a whole is responsible for the members of society.

No, I am not responsible for you and you are not responsible for me. I don't want to take care of you and I don't want you taking care of me.

Its insane to think that society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of every person.

But you make that stupid claim and then come out in favor of abortion, hypocrisy is YOU.

You don't want to take care of anyone and don't want them taking care of you, but you're certainly willing to butt into their reproductive choices.

reproductive choice is not the murder of an unborn human being.

reproductive choice: 1. don't screw 2. wear a condom, 3. use a diaphragm, 4, take BC pills.

 

[Redfish]

My family came here 397 years ago - we MADE America! I'm sure you are just some Johnny-come-lately by comparison.

Your rabid right wing views are NOT representative of the core values of America. Don't you dare question my patriotism or right to be here. Go fuck yourself, really!

"397 years ago" eh? Are you Elizabeth Warren by any chance, nut job?

No fucknut, I'm a direct descendant of William Bradford, a Mayflower Pilgrim who became the first governor of the Plymouth Colony, serving 30 years, and who authored History of Plymouth Plantation, 1620-1647.

2020 will be FOUR HUNDRED years since my great-x7 grandfather set foot on what would 156 years later become the United States of America.

You have just proven yourself to be an ignorant nitwit who doesn't even know his own country's history, something which is essential to good citizenship. Why don't you go to Russia with your buddy Trump? Fucknut.

Still waiting for the answer.

Is the phrase "all persons" an inclusive statement? Or do you see it as EXclusive?

Not at all until you define persons. "Persons" in terms of fetal homicide has a very narrow limited meaning and cannot be expanded to any other "rights."

at what magical point in the 9 month gestation period does an unborn human being become a person? answer that and the debate is over.

 

[Redfish]

Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.

So, slavery was not a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights when it was upheld by the courts as legal?

Using your logic, slavery was no harm no foul for as long as it was "legal."

we are not talking about slavery.

Thats Right.

We are talking about the past application of your same failed fucking logic. Aren't we.

Not at all.

Chuz's failure is based on a fallacy of false equivalency. The fact is tht SCOTUS disagrees with his reasoning. End of story.

SCOTUS ruled that abortion was legal, not that it was moral, ethical, or right.

 

[Redfish]

abortion ends a human life, so does murder. Its exactly the same thing except for the location of the victim.

How about answering this that not one of you libs has ever answered: Why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder if the fetus is not a human being?

Because pro-life zealots pushed that law through in many red states.

It's not a law in many others.

which ones?

Only 29 states have a fetal homicide law.

Is Killing Pregnant Woman a Double Murder?

ok, 29 out of 50. last time I checked that was a majority.

I never said dickshit about a majority or minority. Bottom line, the law's existence is not proof of anything.

Matter of fact, I could argue the law's existence is more evidence of the pro-choice lobby's position, i.e. that bodily integrity and the fate of the fetus is left ONLY to the mother, and not to anyone else outside of her own body.

Look dude, we simply disagree on whether an unborn human being has constitutional rights. Nothing you say will change my mind and nothing I say will change yours. I suggest that you look at one of the many videos available that show actual abortions, then reconsider whether cutting a baby into pieces is murder or not.

But if your position is valid, why not extend it to 2 years after birth? If the kid becomes too much of a burden why cant the mother simply kill it and move on with her life?

Why is it a person the instant it leaves the womb and not the instant before?

 

[Redfish]

This is about support for the fetus through early youth, which the far and alt right will not commit to doing right by the child. Charming.

the two people who create the child are responsible for it, not society as a whole. That's what you libs refuse to understand------------personal responsibility for your acts.

What you subhumans refused to recognize that, yes, the society as a whole is responsible for the members of society.

No, I am not responsible for you and you are not responsible for me. I don't want to take care of you and I don't want you taking care of me.

Its insane to think that society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of every person.

But you make that stupid claim and then come out in favor of abortion, hypocrisy is YOU.

You don't want to take care of anyone and don't want them taking care of you, but you're certainly willing to butt into their reproductive choices.

Redfish claims to be conservative but in fact is alt right, which means he gets to have conservative values apply to him but also gets to tell society how to live.

totally wrong on all counts. I don't give a flying duck fuck how you choose to live and I don't want you telling me how I must live, what kind of light bulbs I must buy, what kind of showerhead, or that I must install transgender bathrooms in my businesses.

I do not understand why abortion on demand is such a major issue with you left wing zealots. Why is the murder of the unborn your central issue? Why do you condone the FACT that PP has murdered millions of black babies? Why are you such a fricken racist?

 

[JakeStarkey]

One, the alt right attempts to smear Sanger have been demolished elsewhere.

Two, SCOTUS does not agree with Redfish . . . shocking, I know.

 

[Chuz Life]

So, slavery was not a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights when it was upheld by the courts as legal?

Using your logic, slavery was no harm no foul for as long as it was "legal."

Fallacy of false equivalents, chuz. Abortion is a medical term not a criminal term in law.

abortion ends a human life, so does murder. Its exactly the same thing except for the location of the victim.

How about answering this that not one of you libs has ever answered: Why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder if the fetus is not a human being?

A travesty of justice.

murdering millions of unborn black children is a travesty of humanity. Don't you fools know that Margaret Sanger started PP to stop the black birth rate? PP is one of the most racist organizations in the country, and you libs worship them, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

According to the Supreme Court, aborting a fetus is not killing a human being. Live with it.

According to history, the Supreme Court is not infallible and the people have the First amendment right to endlessly appeal for a redress of the issue.

Shove that up your ass.

 

[JakeStarkey]

the two people who create the child are responsible for it, not society as a whole. That's what you libs refuse to understand------------personal responsibility for your acts.

What you subhumans refused to recognize that, yes, the society as a whole is responsible for the members of society.

No, I am not responsible for you and you are not responsible for me. I don't want to take care of you and I don't want you taking care of me.

Its insane to think that society as a whole has a responsibility to take care of every person.

But you make that stupid claim and then come out in favor of abortion, hypocrisy is YOU.

You don't want to take care of anyone and don't want them taking care of you, but you're certainly willing to butt into their reproductive choices.

Redfish claims to be conservative but in fact is alt right, which means he gets to have conservative values apply to him but also gets to tell society how to live.

totally wrong on all counts. I don't give a flying duck fuck how you choose to live and I don't want you telling me how I must live, what kind of light bulbs I must buy, what kind of showerhead, or that I must install transgender bathrooms in my businesses.

I do not understand why abortion on demand is such a major issue with you left wing zealots. Why is the murder of the unborn your central issue? Why do you condone the FACT that PP has murdered millions of black babies? Why are you such a fricken racist?

Redfish contradicts himself. He does not want to tell others how to live, but he does want to tell others how to live. He has trouble that he must respect the larger society's laws that he does not like. Tough.

 

[Chuz Life]

Why do you loons cheer legislation that allows murdering the most innocent of all? Freaking ghouls

Abortion is legal, therefore not murder.

So, slavery was not a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights when it was upheld by the courts as legal?

Using your logic, slavery was no harm no foul for as long as it was "legal."

we are not talking about slavery.

Thats Right.

We are talking about the past application of your same failed fucking logic. Aren't we.

Not at all.

Your denials will not change the fact that your same logic was used to defend slavery.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fallacy of false equivalents, chuz. Abortion is a medical term not a criminal term in law.

abortion ends a human life, so does murder. Its exactly the same thing except for the location of the victim.

How about answering this that not one of you libs has ever answered: Why is a person who kills a pregnant woman charged with two counts of murder if the fetus is not a human being?

A travesty of justice.

murdering millions of unborn black children is a travesty of humanity. Don't you fools know that Margaret Sanger started PP to stop the black birth rate? PP is one of the most racist organizations in the country, and you libs worship them, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

According to the Supreme Court, aborting a fetus is not killing a human being. Live with it.

According to history, the Supreme Court is not infallible and the people have the First amendment right to endlessly appeal for a redress of the issue. Shove that up your ass.

You are so interested in anal cavities that you must be gay, you know. Yes, you have the right to appeal, and the Court and society has the right to mock you and your appeals.

No matter how much you insist differently, slavery and abortion as you use them are false equivalents, and SCOTUS and society will mock your nonsense.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The Margaret Sanger false meme was defeated long, long ago, so, no, Redfish, you don't get "just once more" on that nonsense.

To let a racist shit like you to define who is racist or not is like letting a SS do that.

So says Jake the racist.