So we a Theocracy now?...

[The T]

If the greatest way to help the greatest number of people was through a government, you're telling us Jesus would NOT want that to happen?

Charity is an individual decision. Government does it at the point of a gun. They do not speak for me and whom I might give my money to.

And that's the gist of it. it isn't thier money in the first place. You Statists have yet to understand that basic premise.

You idiots are always generous with other people's money while being stingy with your own.

Obama is an IDIOT for using religion to justify forcing people to do something they may not wish to do.

Obama and the statists have robbed another piece of individual liberty.

Kind of the point of social programs is that churches and individuals do not do a good job of feeding the hungry or healing the sick, in fact they suck at it. Maybe it would work if the human race was not inherently territorial and prejudicial. Until we develop into people who will not tolerate hunger and strife in our town or city, there will social programs.

No...they don't suck at it. The government has used the tax structure to threaten them asswipe.

The Government was never meant to become a charity outlet. Go read the founding documents.

It's real conivenient for you Statists to use the bible in such things as most other times you look to destroy it.

Back off.

 

[The T]

Jesus/God is/was a lot of things to lot of people to some he is vengeful god poised to smite and for some he was a simple man with some profound things to say. My own liberalism grew out of my interpretation of who Jesus was, an example, his example demands of me to care for my fellow humans.

I am what I think is a liberal because of the teachings of christ. And for no other basic reason.

I just do not know what the conservative christians are gonna do if christ comes back in their lifetimes and rules this earthly domain for a thousand years. Afterall, most christians are aware that when His followers were inspired by the Holy Spirit, they all immediately sold their possessions, their homes, and brought the proceeds to one of the original followers to be distributed to each according to his need. Sounds like fucking socialism to me. God's chosen manner for a group of people to care for one another. No sir, the conservative christians will shit on themselves, and think back of their vehement opposition to some of the liberal democrats who never went that far!!!!

It really is the great cosmic irony. And funny as Hell.

I am frankly quite happy to see Obama doing God's Will. FDR, Truman, Ike, all of these great men did God's Will quite often. Then it fell out of fashion starting in 1980. And oddly enough the ones that drove it from fashion were conservative christians. We are chock full of irony these days, with much more to come. Stay tuned!

They were moved spiritually by God. Not government.

Precisely. Individual choice, individual accounting for what God has given them...NOT government.

 

[Old_Liberal]

Jesus/God is/was a lot of things to lot of people to some he is vengeful god poised to smite and for some he was a simple man with some profound things to say. My own liberalism grew out of my interpretation of who Jesus was, an example, his example demands of me to care for my fellow humans.

I am what I think is a liberal because of the teachings of christ. And for no other basic reason.

I just do not know what the conservative christians are gonna do if christ comes back in their lifetimes and rules this earthly domain for a thousand years. Afterall, most christians are aware that when His followers were inspired by the Holy Spirit, they all immediately sold their possessions, their homes, and brought the proceeds to one of the original followers to be distributed to each according to his need. Sounds like fucking socialism to me. God's chosen manner for a group of people to care for one another. No sir, the conservative christians will shit on themselves, and think back of their vehement opposition to some of the liberal democrats who never went that far!!!!

It really is the great cosmic irony. And funny as Hell.

I am frankly quite happy to see Obama doing God's Will. FDR, Truman, Ike, all of these great men did God's Will quite often. Then it fell out of fashion starting in 1980. And oddly enough the ones that drove it from fashion were conservative christians. We are chock full of irony these days, with much more to come. Stay tuned!

They were moved spiritually by God. Not government.

Yet if God moves those who are in gov't, those who make the rules? Which by the way would logically be the case when christ returns to rule mankind for a thousand years.

But his people will not be driven by greed, as we are. So, they will naturally select a system that would care for the entire group, no longer being driven by greed, the impusle to hoard wealth. This won't be something conservastive christians will be comfortable with. Assuming they make the cut of course....

 

[freedombecki]

Maybe after three years, Obama is realizing the job requires help from above. Soon he will learn Republicans are not his enemies unless he swears they are to the entire universe as he has been doing for the last 3 years. Do you think by the 4th year, which he is presently occupying, he will realize you can actually work things out with Republicans without constantly knifing them in the back with a communist agenda?

I was kind of hoping he'd have a feel for America by now.

Nope. I have to see some give and take first. I haven't seen a smidgen of that yet.

All I have seen him do is bypass Congress. That is going to cost him his seat in the Oval Office.

 

[occupied]

Charity is an individual decision. Government does it at the point of a gun. They do not speak for me and whom I might give my money to.

And that's the gist of it. it isn't thier money in the first place. You Statists have yet to understand that basic premise.

You idiots are always generous with other people's money while being stingy with your own.

Obama is an IDIOT for using religion to justify forcing people to do something they may not wish to do.

Obama and the statists have robbed another piece of individual liberty.

Kind of the point of social programs is that churches and individuals do not do a good job of feeding the hungry or healing the sick, in fact they suck at it. Maybe it would work if the human race was not inherently territorial and prejudicial. Until we develop into people who will not tolerate hunger and strife in our town or city, there will social programs.

No...they don't suck at it. The government has used the tax structure to threaten them asswipe.

The Government was never meant to become a charity outlet. Go read the founding documents.

It's real conivenient for you Statists to use the bible in such things as most other times you look to destroy it.

Back off.

Back off? You are telling me to back off? Fine, didn't want to talk to you anyway.

 

[The T]

Maybe after three years, Obama is realizing the job requires help from above. Soon he will learn Republicans are not his enemies unless he swears they are to the entire universe as he has been doing for the last 3 years. Do you think by the 4th year, which he is presently occupying, he will realize you can actually work things out with Republicans without constantly knifing them in the back with a communist agenda?

I was kind of hoping he'd have a feel for America by now.

Nope. I have to see some give and take first. I haven't seen a smidgen of that yet.

All I have seen him do is bypass Congress. That is going to cost him his seat in the Oval Office.

That's the problem. He has NEVER had a feel for America. He as a young person sought out Marxists/Communists.

His agenda is clear. WE must be like everyone else. Remember what he said of American exceptionalism?

He doesn't belive in it. Never has, never will.

 

[Old_Liberal]

Charity is an individual decision. Government does it at the point of a gun. They do not speak for me and whom I might give my money to.

And that's the gist of it. it isn't thier money in the first place. You Statists have yet to understand that basic premise.

You idiots are always generous with other people's money while being stingy with your own.

Obama is an IDIOT for using religion to justify forcing people to do something they may not wish to do.

Obama and the statists have robbed another piece of individual liberty.

Kind of the point of social programs is that churches and individuals do not do a good job of feeding the hungry or healing the sick, in fact they suck at it. Maybe it would work if the human race was not inherently territorial and prejudicial. Until we develop into people who will not tolerate hunger and strife in our town or city, there will social programs.

No...they don't suck at it. The government has used the tax structure to threaten them asswipe.

The Government was never meant to become a charity outlet. Go read the founding documents.

It's real conivenient for you Statists to use the bible in such things as most other times you look to destroy it.

Back off.

During the great depression charities and churches were overwhelmed and could not do the job. From this fact arose the first social safety nets. One of a few times that our leaders did God's Will.

What is good, what cares for human life is always of God. Likewise human greed is of satan.

 

[Stephanie]

Maybe after three years, Obama is realizing the job requires help from above. Soon he will learn Republicans are not his enemies unless he swears they are to the entire universe as he has been doing for the last 3 years. Do you think by the 4th year, which he is presently occupying, he will realize you can actually work things out with Republicans without constantly knifing them in the back with a communist agenda?

I was kind of hoping he'd have a feel for America by now.

Nope. I have to see some give and take first. I haven't seen a smidgen of that yet.

All I have seen him do is bypass Congress. That is going to cost him his seat in the Oval Office.

I hope it does.

 

[The T]

Kind of the point of social programs is that churches and individuals do not do a good job of feeding the hungry or healing the sick, in fact they suck at it. Maybe it would work if the human race was not inherently territorial and prejudicial. Until we develop into people who will not tolerate hunger and strife in our town or city, there will social programs.

No...they don't suck at it. The government has used the tax structure to threaten them asswipe.

The Government was never meant to become a charity outlet. Go read the founding documents.

It's real conivenient for you Statists to use the bible in such things as most other times you look to destroy it.

Back off.

Back off? You are telling me to back off? Fine, didn't want to talk to you anyway.

No, idiot. I'm trying to tell you that it isn't government's function.

You may put on ignore or whatever. I frankly don't care. But you had better wake up. What you think you support may not necessarily in the end be what you think you want...as even YOUR liberties are taken away, and government making your decisions for you, even if they don't meet your individual situation.

Wake up.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus/God is/was a lot of things to lot of people to some he is vengeful god poised to smite and for some he was a simple man with some profound things to say. My own liberalism grew out of my interpretation of who Jesus was, an example, his example demands of me to care for my fellow humans.

And how do you do that?

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"
(Matthew 25.35-40 ESV)

Exactly why I am a conservative. Because I do believe it's my responsibility to care for my fellow man, and not the governments.

 

[The T]

And how do you do that?

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"
(Matthew 25.35-40 ESV)

Exactly why I am a conservative. Because I do believe it's my responsibility to care for my fellow man, and not the governments.

Yep. And Obama is being disingenuous using religion as an excuse to force people to do what government wants...

 

[Caroljo]

No. Socialist/Progressive Democrats despise Religion for the most part. They especially have a weird dark obsession with hating Christians. They give all the other Religions a bit of a pass though. So i'm sure he just misspoke. I'm also sure he caught a lot of Hell from his handlers for that. When it comes down to it, Socialists/Progressives would love to exterminate religious persons, but especially Christians. The Left are an incredibly hateful bunch. Don't underestimate their vicious hate.

The dark obsession "could" be because they unknowingly follow satan.
And maybe the reason they leave other religions alone is because those other religions aren't the "true" religion as Christianity is.
Why would satan bother religions that teach lies about God/Jesus? He wouldn't. He wants people to believe those lies. So he turns everyone he can against Christians.
Just sayin'.....

 

[The T]

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"
(Matthew 25.35-40 ESV)

But jesus didn't tell his apostles to robe other people at the point of a gun and use thier money.

He was talking about individuals doing it on thier own, NOT government.

Try again dipstick.

Everyone has their religious beliefs tied up in their political beliefs, even atheists. We both seem to think we have the correct interpretation of the scripture, Mine tells me that doing something to help the poor and sick is preferable to doing nothing.

Christ left it to the individual person to decide.

There is nothing else left to discuss on this.

 

[Avatar4321]

Everyone has their religious beliefs tied up in their political beliefs, even atheists. We both seem to think we have the correct interpretation of the scripture, Mine tells me that doing something to help the poor and sick is preferable to doing nothing.

No one is stopping you from doing something to help the poor. The problem is you want to use other peoples money to keep the poor dependent on government and in essense keep them poor.

 

[The T]

Everyone has their religious beliefs tied up in their political beliefs, even atheists. We both seem to think we have the correct interpretation of the scripture, Mine tells me that doing something to help the poor and sick is preferable to doing nothing.

No one is stopping you from doing something to help the poor. The problem is you want to use other peoples money to keep the poor dependent on government and in essense keep them poor.

And keeping those in power that make such laws in power.

 

[Stephanie]

this article is barf worthy...
where is all the lefties now calling for that "secular" government...separation of church and state...


Obama links economic policies with faith
By JULIE PACE, Associated Press

Associated Press February 2, 2012 07:33 AM Copyright Associated Press.
Thursday, February 2, 2012
.Read more: Obama links economic policies with faith

 

[The T]

this article is barf worthy...
where is all the lefties now calling for that "secular" government...separation of church and state...


Obama links economic policies with faith
By JULIE PACE, Associated Press

Associated Press February 2, 2012 07:33 AM Copyright Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Thursday, February 2, 2012
.Read more: Obama links economic policies with faith

It swerves into the OP's premise, doesn't it? Obama could give a rat's ass about any of it quite frankly. This is all about HIM, and nothing elese. Always has been, always will be.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

And how do you do that?

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"
(Matthew 25.35-40 ESV)

I didn't ask you. And I've read the Bible.

BTW: taking MY money to do all those things doesn't make YOU a humanitarian.

Color changed for emphasis.

This is the fundamental point many liberals refuse to get. If I take your money to feed my ego that is theft. It does not matter how the money is spent. Giving the money you stole to charity is just as criminal as if you has spent it all on whores.

 

[The T]

"For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'

And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'"
(Matthew 25.35-40 ESV)

I didn't ask you. And I've read the Bible.

BTW: taking MY money to do all those things doesn't make YOU a humanitarian.

Color changed for emphasis.

This is the fundamental point many liberals refuse to get. If I take your money to feed my ego that is theft. It does not matter how the money is spent. Giving the money you stole to charity is just as criminal as if you has spent it all on whores.

Great point.

 

[DontBeStupid]

But jesus didn't tell his apostles to robe other people at the point of a gun and use thier money.

He was talking about individuals doing it on thier own, NOT government.

Try again dipstick.

Everyone has their religious beliefs tied up in their political beliefs, even atheists. We both seem to think we have the correct interpretation of the scripture, Mine tells me that doing something to help the poor and sick is preferable to doing nothing.

Christ left it to the individual person to decide.

There is nothing else left to discuss on this.

So, if an individual person chooses to help another person, that's good according to your view of Christ.

But if a group of people choose to help another group of people, that's wrong, bad, evil socialism and you think Christ would have none of it.

Your view of Christ is rather ... uhm ... interesting.