So what IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?

[Sallow]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

We don't have a big problem with guns in this country….most of the 8,124 gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals in tiny, multi block areas inside major cities…..stay out of those places and our gun murder rate is about the same as Europe…..mass shootings…..compared to other causes of death are minor…I have listed the total deaths due to mass shootings and most years they barely top 30, some years only 9 people….compared to cars, poison, fire, falling….not even close to being on the same level of danger…..

So no, in reality we do not have a problem with guns….since over 320 million guns are in private hands and only 8,124 were used to commit murder and we only had 505 accidental gun deaths in 2013…….

Looked at with our 320 million people….8,124 gun murders are tiny…….and only an issue if you hate guns.

The numbers you posted are dubious.

There is no accurate tracking of Homicides by firearm in this country. That's thanks to the NRA.

Additionally over 90% of the people in this country want more in terms of gun control. Those 320 million guns, by the way, are owned by a small fraction of the population.

There is overwhelming support for changing the current system.

 

[Programmer]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

overwhelming what? congress?


We don't have a big problem with guns in this country….most of the 8,124 gun murders are criminals shooting other criminals in tiny, multi block areas inside major cities…..stay out of those places and our gun murder rate is about the same as Europe…..mass shootings…..compared to other causes of death are minor…I have listed the total deaths due to mass shootings and most years they barely top 30, some years only 9 people….compared to cars, poison, fire, falling….not even close to being on the same level of danger…..

So no, in reality we do not have a problem with guns….since over 320 million guns are in private hands and only 8,124 were used to commit murder and we only had 505 accidental gun deaths in 2013…….

Looked at with our 320 million people….8,124 gun murders are tiny…….and only an issue if you hate guns.

The numbers you posted are dubious.

There is no accurate tracking of Homicides by firearm in this country. That's thanks to the NRA.

Additionally over 90% of the people in this country want more in terms of gun control. Those 320 million guns, by the way, are owned by a small fraction of the population.

There is overwhelming support for changing the current system.

 

[Sallow]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

You forgot that guns are used for self defense. You're not living in reality.

Guns were created to save the life of the user…...

Guns were created to kill living beings from a distance.

The majority of beings killed by guns had nothing to do with self defense.

 

[FA_Q2]

Compared to the shootings in the U S that's like comparing a fart to a whirlwind. The cold, hard numbers about deaths and injuries due to guns seem to be significant. Guns were used in 11,422 homicides and 19,392 suicides in 2010, according to the CDC, and were used either intentionally or accidentally to wound 59,208 people in 2011.

Overall...a small price to pay so that Joe(guy with the little dick) can make himself feel omnipotent......oops!! impotent! oops!! important!! Yep.....that's it!

In 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders by criminals breaking the law….according to the 2013 CDC final statistics table 10 there were only 505 accidental gun deaths….and since Japan, China and South Korea, all countries with absolute gun control have 2 times the suicde rates that we do suicides do not count.

According to bill clinton and the gun self defense study conducted by his Department of Justice….Americans use guns to stop violent crimes and save lives 1.5 million times a year……

So…out of 320 million guns in private hands…we have criminals using guns to commit 8,124 gun murders…..

out of 320 million guns in private hands we have in total….505 accidental gun deaths in 2013…..

We have 12.8 million people carrying guns for self defense….and again, only 505 accidental gun deaths.

1.5 self defense uses of guns vs. 8,124 criminals using guns to commit murder.

so…in total, guns are a positive force for normal people to keep themselves and their families safe from criminals created by single, teenage mothers in fatherless homes…..

The progressives have no way to apply these numbers with common sense... They have none.

Guns are not the problem, the problem is the breakdown of the traditional American family.

We've kicked your right wing asses in the last two presidential elections and I suggest you pucker up 'cause Hillary is about to do it again!! Do yourself a favor.......learn to say Madame President.

And we now control 32 state governments and won 2 landslides in off year elections…...

That's not what I said.....we've won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. Purse your lips and stand before a mirror and practice saying "Madame President."

You guys are good at gerrymandering but as long as the states cast all their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote your asses have had it. Get Used To It!!!!

Sure all gerrymandering. That is shy republicans have the senate, more state legislators and governorship.

All you have is talking points.

 

[Sally Vater]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

You forgot that guns are used for self defense. You're not living in reality.

Guns were created to save the life of the user…...

Guns were created to kill living beings from a distance.

The majority of beings killed by guns had nothing to do with self defense.

So there is no gun problem, there's a crime problem.

 

[Sally Vater]

Compared to the shootings in the U S that's like comparing a fart to a whirlwind. The cold, hard numbers about deaths and injuries due to guns seem to be significant. Guns were used in 11,422 homicides and 19,392 suicides in 2010, according to the CDC, and were used either intentionally or accidentally to wound 59,208 people in 2011.

Overall...a small price to pay so that Joe(guy with the little dick) can make himself feel omnipotent......oops!! impotent! oops!! important!! Yep.....that's it!

In 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders by criminals breaking the law….according to the 2013 CDC final statistics table 10 there were only 505 accidental gun deaths….and since Japan, China and South Korea, all countries with absolute gun control have 2 times the suicde rates that we do suicides do not count.

According to bill clinton and the gun self defense study conducted by his Department of Justice….Americans use guns to stop violent crimes and save lives 1.5 million times a year……

So…out of 320 million guns in private hands…we have criminals using guns to commit 8,124 gun murders…..

out of 320 million guns in private hands we have in total….505 accidental gun deaths in 2013…..

We have 12.8 million people carrying guns for self defense….and again, only 505 accidental gun deaths.

1.5 self defense uses of guns vs. 8,124 criminals using guns to commit murder.

so…in total, guns are a positive force for normal people to keep themselves and their families safe from criminals created by single, teenage mothers in fatherless homes…..

The progressives have no way to apply these numbers with common sense... They have none.

Guns are not the problem, the problem is the breakdown of the traditional American family.

We've kicked your right wing asses in the last two presidential elections and I suggest you pucker up 'cause Hillary is about to do it again!! Do yourself a favor.......learn to say Madame President.

And we now control 32 state governments and won 2 landslides in off year elections…...

That's not what I said.....we've won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. Purse your lips and stand before a mirror and practice saying "Madame President."

You guys are good at gerrymandering but as long as the states cast all their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote your asses have had it. Get Used To It!!!!

Why would you support a woman for President who deliberately lied for her sexual predator husband while deliberately destroying the lives of the women victims of her husband's behavior?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

Sure they should, if their product stands up on it's own and shoots somebody.

You anti-constitutionalists are looking for backdoor ways to eliminate guns; in this particular case, sue gun manufacturers out of business.

So next time you see one of your comrades tell us that the left is not for disarming America, remind them of what you think and how you feel so they can at least admit defeat.

 

[Campbell]

Democrats have had enough time to hijack this thread and talk about anything other than the actual topic.

I sympathize with their fear and frustration, but they've had their chances, and have failed to produce.

Back to the subject:
What IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?


No method is 100% perfect, of course, and never will be as long as we are a society of imperfect people.

But most of the methods being tried today, pretty much have no effect. Indeed, insane mass murderers seem to be drawn to the "Gun Free Zones" set up by naïve liberals. Where else can they be guaranteed a large collection of unarmed, vulnerable targets, with many uninterrupted minutes to blow away as many people as they like before the cops get there?

Is there a viable way to cut down the numbers of such shootings, and/or the body counts?

Many of the whackos (people who actually start shooting into crowds, at malls, post offices, schools etc.) know it is a suicide mission. The idea that they may be killed, obviously doesn't deter them... in that way, anyway.

But what most of them want, is to go out with a huge splash. They want huge headlines after the fact, crying and wailing about the ten or twenty or thirty innocent people who died, how horrible it all is, wailing and gnashing about what we could have done to prevent it, three-page exposes about the shooter's disturbed childhood and how unfair society was to him, etc. etc. To their twisted minds, that's worth getting dead over.

But if they show up at their planned execution site, start pulling the trigger, wound the first person, miss with the next shot, and then get get shot through the middle of the bod by someone in the crowd they never suspected might have his own gun, next day's headlines will be much less lurid. Some nut pulled a gun and fired two shots, wounding one. The wounded person is now recovering in the hospital, and the nut is dead, end of story. He's a footnote on page 28, if that.

And THAT's what the whackos don't want to happen. They want huge headlines and weeks of media coverage, even after they are dead, that's mostly why they're doing it.

If everyone is allowed to carry, most people still won't bother. I probably wouldn't most of the time. But some people will. And a nutcase like this guy will never know which people in the crowd, are the ones with their own gun. Could be the granny in the wheelchair over there, whose kids were killed in a home invasion robbery five years ago, who swore she'd never go unarmed again, and never misses her weekend hour or two at the practice range.

The deranged whacko is certainly insane. But he's obviously still coherent enough to have a goal in mind, and to do what he needs to carry it out. And he's probably coherent enough to realize that a few unknown people in the crowd who have guns and are practiced in their use, can and will deny him the splashy headlines he wants. And there's nothing he can do about it.

It's enough to often make even a deranged whacko reconsider his plans. Why start shooting at a public event, if you're simply going to become dead three seconds later with little or no lurid body count to show for it?

Letting law-abiding citizens carry freely is, and has always been, the best deterrent to crime. Criminals know there will be somebody nearby who will discourage them quickly. Only in so-called "gun free zones" are the criminals guaranteed the freedom to carry out their crimes.

Or does somebody think that some nutcase who is ready and willing to murder dozens of people, will turn around and obey a new "No guns permitted here" law?

Again, over the long term and greater effect, we have to add some kind of moral education to public curriculum. We have laws and morals as a society and our education system has not accounted for the need to teach them as a subject.

When I was a teen ager we carried pistols to school. I believe everything in this country is better than it's ever been. Well.....other than the Republican party changing from a party of the people to a bunch of bought and paid for tools for corporations and the wealthy. I was an avid Republican for the first 30 years I voted. I voted for Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon three times.....even Rooster Foot Reagan one time. Then...when I figured out what he was doing I didn't even show up at the polls for twenty years. I've voted Democrat three times in my life but one thing can be taken to the bank.....I'll never vote for another greedy, warmongering, asshole Republican if I live to 100.

 

[Sally Vater]

Democrats have had enough time to hijack this thread and talk about anything other than the actual topic.

I sympathize with their fear and frustration, but they've had their chances, and have failed to produce.

Back to the subject:
What IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?


No method is 100% perfect, of course, and never will be as long as we are a society of imperfect people.

But most of the methods being tried today, pretty much have no effect. Indeed, insane mass murderers seem to be drawn to the "Gun Free Zones" set up by naïve liberals. Where else can they be guaranteed a large collection of unarmed, vulnerable targets, with many uninterrupted minutes to blow away as many people as they like before the cops get there?

Is there a viable way to cut down the numbers of such shootings, and/or the body counts?

Many of the whackos (people who actually start shooting into crowds, at malls, post offices, schools etc.) know it is a suicide mission. The idea that they may be killed, obviously doesn't deter them... in that way, anyway.

But what most of them want, is to go out with a huge splash. They want huge headlines after the fact, crying and wailing about the ten or twenty or thirty innocent people who died, how horrible it all is, wailing and gnashing about what we could have done to prevent it, three-page exposes about the shooter's disturbed childhood and how unfair society was to him, etc. etc. To their twisted minds, that's worth getting dead over.

But if they show up at their planned execution site, start pulling the trigger, wound the first person, miss with the next shot, and then get get shot through the middle of the bod by someone in the crowd they never suspected might have his own gun, next day's headlines will be much less lurid. Some nut pulled a gun and fired two shots, wounding one. The wounded person is now recovering in the hospital, and the nut is dead, end of story. He's a footnote on page 28, if that.

And THAT's what the whackos don't want to happen. They want huge headlines and weeks of media coverage, even after they are dead, that's mostly why they're doing it.

If everyone is allowed to carry, most people still won't bother. I probably wouldn't most of the time. But some people will. And a nutcase like this guy will never know which people in the crowd, are the ones with their own gun. Could be the granny in the wheelchair over there, whose kids were killed in a home invasion robbery five years ago, who swore she'd never go unarmed again, and never misses her weekend hour or two at the practice range.

The deranged whacko is certainly insane. But he's obviously still coherent enough to have a goal in mind, and to do what he needs to carry it out. And he's probably coherent enough to realize that a few unknown people in the crowd who have guns and are practiced in their use, can and will deny him the splashy headlines he wants. And there's nothing he can do about it.

It's enough to often make even a deranged whacko reconsider his plans. Why start shooting at a public event, if you're simply going to become dead three seconds later with little or no lurid body count to show for it?

Letting law-abiding citizens carry freely is, and has always been, the best deterrent to crime. Criminals know there will be somebody nearby who will discourage them quickly. Only in so-called "gun free zones" are the criminals guaranteed the freedom to carry out their crimes.

Or does somebody think that some nutcase who is ready and willing to murder dozens of people, will turn around and obey a new "No guns permitted here" law?

Again, over the long term and greater effect, we have to add some kind of moral education to public curriculum. We have laws and morals as a society and our education system has not accounted for the need to teach them as a subject.

When I was a teen ager we carried pistols to school. I believe everything in this country is better than it's ever been. Well.....other than the Republican party changing from a party of the people to a bunch of bought and paid for tools for corporations and the wealthy. I was an avid Republican for the first 30 years I voted. I voted for Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon three times.....even Rooster Foot Reagan one time. Then...when I figured out what he was doing I didn't even show up at the polls for twenty years. I've voted Democrat three times in my life but one thing can be taken to the bank.....I'll never vote for another greedy, warmongering, asshole Republican if I live to 100.

Reagan wasn't a warmonger. A democrat dropped the atomic bombs on innocent civilians and a democrat got us in deep in Viet Nam.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The more you put in jail the less of them there are. But no, laws won't deter somebody from breaking them. Our prisons are like get-away weekends for lowlifes. Three squares plus snacks, a football field, a workout room, a library, cable television and even a little room for you to have sex with your wife in.

Wow, you're kidding, right? Or maybe you are just so racist you think what we have in our awful prison system is a good thing.

Whatever.

The thing is, those Europeans Socialist States only lock up 60,000 to 78,000 of their citizens.

We lock up 2 million. We have another 7 million on probation.

Part of it is becuase we have too many guns out there.

Part of it is because of our insane war on drugs that treats addiction as a criminal problem (if you are poor) instead of a medical one.

But the major reason is we've made prisons a profitable business for some companies.

Yeah right.

Our prisons are lowlife playgrounds. When prisons were prisons, people made sure they didn't go there. See the movie Cool Hand Luke.

But our liberal judges made sure that everything was comfy for our murderers. Using the Cruel and Unusual punishment clause, we have more repeat offenders than any other country in the world.

But don't ever get caught murdering somebody, you might get executed in 15 or 20 years if you don't have a liberal Governor to grant you clemency for your animalistic behavior.

 

[Campbell]

The more you put in jail the less of them there are. But no, laws won't deter somebody from breaking them. Our prisons are like get-away weekends for lowlifes. Three squares plus snacks, a football field, a workout room, a library, cable television and even a little room for you to have sex with your wife in.

Wow, you're kidding, right? Or maybe you are just so racist you think what we have in our awful prison system is a good thing.

Whatever.

The thing is, those Europeans Socialist States only lock up 60,000 to 78,000 of their citizens.

We lock up 2 million. We have another 7 million on probation.

Part of it is becuase we have too many guns out there.

Part of it is because of our insane war on drugs that treats addiction as a criminal problem (if you are poor) instead of a medical one.

But the major reason is we've made prisons a profitable business for some companies.

Yeah right.

Our prisons are lowlife playgrounds. When prisons were prisons, people made sure they didn't go there. See the movie Cool Hand Luke.

But our liberal judges made sure that everything was comfy for our murderers. Using the Cruel and Unusual punishment clause, we have more repeat offenders than any other country in the world.

But don't ever get caught murdering somebody, you might get executed in 15 or 20 years if you don't have a liberal Governor to grant you clemency for your animalistic behavior.

You're EXACTLY right. Notice one thing. These days prisons are privatized....they're just another moneymaking scheme for the rich in the country to get richer:

Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute.

 

[bedowin62]

just what is wrong with the rich getting richer poor mindless moron?'
dont you want to get richer?

 

[Sallow]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

Sure they should, if their product stands up on it's own and shoots somebody.

You anti-constitutionalists are looking for backdoor ways to eliminate guns; in this particular case, sue gun manufacturers out of business.

So next time you see one of your comrades tell us that the left is not for disarming America, remind them of what you think and how you feel so they can at least admit defeat.

What's "Anti-Constitutionalist" is the notion that a "Well Regulate Militia Necessary for the Defense of the State" means that any fucking idiot can own a gun.

 

[bedowin62]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

Sure they should, if their product stands up on it's own and shoots somebody.

You anti-constitutionalists are looking for backdoor ways to eliminate guns; in this particular case, sue gun manufacturers out of business.

So next time you see one of your comrades tell us that the left is not for disarming America, remind them of what you think and how you feel so they can at least admit defeat.

What's "Anti-Constitutionalist" is the notion that a "Well Regulate Militia Necessary for the Defense of the State" means that any fucking idiot can own a gun.

good one idiot!! i'm sure there are already people who wouldnt mind if you required membership in a militia to own a firearm?

isnt that what you're saying????

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The more you put in jail the less of them there are. But no, laws won't deter somebody from breaking them. Our prisons are like get-away weekends for lowlifes. Three squares plus snacks, a football field, a workout room, a library, cable television and even a little room for you to have sex with your wife in.

Wow, you're kidding, right? Or maybe you are just so racist you think what we have in our awful prison system is a good thing.

Whatever.

The thing is, those Europeans Socialist States only lock up 60,000 to 78,000 of their citizens.

We lock up 2 million. We have another 7 million on probation.

Part of it is becuase we have too many guns out there.

Part of it is because of our insane war on drugs that treats addiction as a criminal problem (if you are poor) instead of a medical one.

But the major reason is we've made prisons a profitable business for some companies.

Yeah right.

Our prisons are lowlife playgrounds. When prisons were prisons, people made sure they didn't go there. See the movie Cool Hand Luke.

But our liberal judges made sure that everything was comfy for our murderers. Using the Cruel and Unusual punishment clause, we have more repeat offenders than any other country in the world.

But don't ever get caught murdering somebody, you might get executed in 15 or 20 years if you don't have a liberal Governor to grant you clemency for your animalistic behavior.

You're EXACTLY right. Notice one thing. These days prisons are privatized....they're just another moneymaking scheme for the rich in the country to get richer:

Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. They now rake in a combined $3.3 billion in annual revenue and the private federal prison population more than doubled between 2000 and 2010, according to a report by the Justice Policy Institute.

So what do private prisons have to do with the notion that our prisons and penalties are not a deterrent to crime?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

Sure they should, if their product stands up on it's own and shoots somebody.

You anti-constitutionalists are looking for backdoor ways to eliminate guns; in this particular case, sue gun manufacturers out of business.

So next time you see one of your comrades tell us that the left is not for disarming America, remind them of what you think and how you feel so they can at least admit defeat.

What's "Anti-Constitutionalist" is the notion that a "Well Regulate Militia Necessary for the Defense of the State" means that any fucking idiot can own a gun.

A militia is a group of citizens who if called to duty, bring their own weapons for battle.

 

[Sally Vater]

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

Sure they should, if their product stands up on it's own and shoots somebody.

You anti-constitutionalists are looking for backdoor ways to eliminate guns; in this particular case, sue gun manufacturers out of business.

So next time you see one of your comrades tell us that the left is not for disarming America, remind them of what you think and how you feel so they can at least admit defeat.

What's "Anti-Constitutionalist" is the notion that a "Well Regulate Militia Necessary for the Defense of the State" means that any fucking idiot can own a gun.

1. Ban all automatic and semi-automatic long rifles and pistols.
2. Limit the number of rounds to six.
3. Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
4. Tag and track all guns and bullets sold.
5. Perform extensive background checks on buyers. No felons, people with histories of abusing drugs and alcohol, people with mental problems can own guns.
6. Mandatory licensing after passing a test demonstrating that the potential buyer knows best practices.
7. Gun sales restricted to licensed dealers.
8. Restrict Concealed Carry permits to folks that can prove a need (Carrying lots of valuable items).
9. Complete ban on guns where large groups of people congregate.

i would like to pick apart every one of your idiotic proposals, but for now i will concentrate on just the most stupid one,
#3 Make gun manufacturers liable for misuse of their products.
then we need to make automobile makers liable, knife makers, ball bats, pens and pencils, scissors, medicines, poisons etc. in fact any thing that can be used as a potential weapon.

... and with a garden fork

Well no.

Unlike that list of products you provided, none are used for the specific purpose of killing human beings. Guns, however, are used to kill human beings.

Additionally, the manufacturers of the products you mention are liable in many cases if their product harms or kills a human being.

That unique property of a firearm adds a great deal of danger to the public. The "General Welfare" clause of the Constitution, includes keeping American citizens relatively safe, both from foreign and domestic threats.

We have a pretty big problem in this country with firearms. That would place the solution in either the public and/or private realms. Right now? Neither is doing much of anything and the current situation is entirely unacceptable.

So unless gun manufacturers enact some sort of protocol that minimizes the risk to human beings, they should be held responsible if their product does harm.

Simple enough.

Sure they should, if their product stands up on it's own and shoots somebody.

You anti-constitutionalists are looking for backdoor ways to eliminate guns; in this particular case, sue gun manufacturers out of business.

So next time you see one of your comrades tell us that the left is not for disarming America, remind them of what you think and how you feel so they can at least admit defeat.

What's "Anti-Constitutionalist" is the notion that a "Well Regulate Militia Necessary for the Defense of the State" means that any fucking idiot can own a gun.

You just proved you're anti constitution by only quoting half of the amendment. You're a liar.

 

[M14 Shooter]

That's not what I said.....we've won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections.

More meaningless commentary.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There is no accurate tracking of Homicides by firearm in this country.

How is the FBI number inaccurate?

 

[2aguy]

The only problem is that Israel actually has quite strong gun restrictions and very low gun ownership rates, some of the lowest in the developed world. This confusion has gotten so bad that even Israeli government officials are now chiming in to knock back the claims, though the NRA is seen as a close ally of the U.S. Republican party, which positions itself as strongly backing Israel.

LaPierre appeared to take his Israel-model advocacy a step too far when he declared on Meet the Press this weekend, "Israel had a whole lot of school shootings, until they did one thing. They said we’re going to stop it and they put armed security in every school and they have not had a problem since then."

A spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign Ministry told the New York Daily Newsthat this was simply wrong. "We didn’t have a series of school shootings, and they had nothing to do with the issue at hand in the United States. We had to deal with terrorism," he said. "What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years.” The spokesperson added, “It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion."

Israeli guns laws, it turns out, are much stricter than America's gun laws. This may help explain why Israeli gun ownership is just one thirteenth of what it is in the U.S. To bring that number into focus, it would likely be even lower if not for mandatory military service, which means Israelis are more likely to be familiar with guns. Israel's unique security challenges and its periodic bouts with terrorism would also seem to bolster an NRA-style case for allowing more privately owned guns so that more citizens can defend themselves. And yet, there are far fewer guns in private citizens' hands, and far less gun crime.

Israeli gun laws are much stricter than some U.S. gun advocates suggest

Israel dismisses NRA’s claims about guns laws
School shootings were never common here, and Israel should not be invoked as ostensible proof of need for more weapons, experts say

Israel dismisses NRA’s claims about guns laws

One of things that strike most visitors to Israel is the number of guns they see people carrying everywhere. But most people don’t realize that Israel’s gun laws are both stricter and very different from those in the U.S.

Personal weapons are more difficult to come by in Israel. A lot of vetting is done by the government, the police, a doctor, and the gun range that must train and test the potential gun owner before they, too, sign their approval. And the Israeli government prefers to limit gun licenses to those with army experience, if possible.

Even then, one normally is permitted to only own one gun, and a limited amount of ammunition (although one can buy as many bullets as one wishes at the gun range). Some admittedly feel that the single gun limit, is too restrictive.

Appearances aside, in Israel there are fewer personal weapons per capita, and fewer homicides involving guns, than in the U.K., which has very strong and restrictive gun laws.

The US Should Learn from Israel How to Permit, Not Outlaw Guns

Israel’s gun-control laws are among the toughest in the world.

In Israel, carrying a gun is not a right granted by the constitution, but rather a privilege given to those few who pass background checks and who can demonstrate a real need for possessing firearms.


The list of requirements is long. Israelis seeking to own a gun need to be a citizen or permanent resident over the age of 27 (or 21 for those who have completed military service). They must have a basic knowledge of Hebrew. Applicants for a gun permit also need to show a clean criminal record and to have the Ministry of Health certify that they are physically and mentally capable of using a gun.

After passing this initial screening, Israelis wishing to own a gun need to demonstrate a genuine need for it. This need can be based on several criteria: living or working in specially designated areas (mainly Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank and areas close to the boarders); working as a civilian security guard, or being an active or reserve officer in the Israel Defense Forces and holding the rank of captain or higher. Registered hunters and sportsmen belonging to certified gun clubs can also qualify.

For most, licenses are given for handguns only, and need to be renewed every three years. Gun owners also have to undergo practice in a shooting range before receiving or renewing a license. Yakov Amit, head of the firearms licensing department at the Ministry of Public Security, said 80% of the license requests are turned down each year.

As a result of these restrictive policies, gun possession in Israel is low compared with that of the United States. Only 7.3 out of every 100 Israelis possessed a gun in 2009, compared with 88.8 of every 100 Americans.

Israel Has Fewer Guns, Fewer Deaths Than U.S. - Israel

In Israel, carrying a gun is not a right granted by the constitution, but rather a privilege given to those few who pass background checks and who can demonstrate a real need for possessing firearms.

See…if the above quote is true that is indeed a lesson of not learning the lessons of history…….gun ownership in 1930s Germany was not a right granted by their government either…..and how did that turn out for the Jews exactly?

How on earth did you manage to draw that conclusion from my post?!

I quoted from your link....it is right there in my post.......