So Where Does the 1st Amendment End?

[gipper]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater endangers people.

What about saying something people don’t like? Can the government punish you for speech made in your home and gets put on the Internet that is not violent, but racist?

One school district thinks it can.
Remember- the schools are closed until at best next September.

Wish I had a nickel for every stupid thing a teen said in the past year.

Carrollton High seniors expelled after racist video goes viral

Two Carrollton High School seniors were expelled Friday and won’t be allowed to graduate after a racist video they posted online went viral.

www.ajc.com

Do you think all conservatives believe in the first amendment? Clearly some want any criticism of the orange fat boy silenced. Do you understand how that correlates to the first amendment?

That’s the craziest strawman ever. Care to share an example?

I get crazy cons calling me a traitor on this site, damn near every day.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater endangers people.

What about saying something people don’t like? Can the government punish you for speech made in your home and gets put on the Internet that is not violent, but racist?

One school district thinks it can.
Remember- the schools are closed until at best next September.

Wish I had a nickel for every stupid thing a teen said in the past year.

Carrollton High seniors expelled after racist video goes viral

Two Carrollton High School seniors were expelled Friday and won’t be allowed to graduate after a racist video they posted online went viral.

www.ajc.com

Do you think all conservatives believe in the first amendment? Clearly some want any criticism of the orange fat boy silenced. Do you understand how that correlates to the first amendment?

That’s the craziest strawman ever. Care to share an example?

I get crazy cons calling me a traitor on this site, damn near every day.

So you can’t find any government actions taken against people for their speech. Didn’t think so.

 

[Ame®icano]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater endangers people.

What about saying something people don’t like? Can the government punish you for speech made in your home and gets put on the Internet that is not violent, but racist?

One school district thinks it can.
Remember- the schools are closed until at best next September.

Wish I had a nickel for every stupid thing a teen said in the past year.

Carrollton High seniors expelled after racist video goes viral

Two Carrollton High School seniors were expelled Friday and won’t be allowed to graduate after a racist video they posted online went viral.

www.ajc.com

What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

Why are they denied a graduation?
Answer: for words spoken.
Not the sharpest pencil in the cup, are you?

Guess I'll just post it again -- What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

You need a hint on this?

The language thereof:
"Congress shall make no Law...."

I've just word-searched the entire Constitution. "High Schools shall make no Law" was not found.

Here, horse. This is called "water".

Because a PUBLIC school is a government institution, brainlet. Do you need this in crayon?

The school has a responsibility to maintain a safe environment where all pupils can study free from violence and hatred. Having racists in the community is a direct assault on that. The school did the only thing it could do.

A school is a community and racism has no place in any civilised society.

The video was made in a private home, moron. The school has ZERO authority to do anything about it. Just watch the inevitable lawsuit. Dumb shits like you just made these kids millionaires.

https://www.carrolltoncityschools.net/uploaded/2019-2020_YEAR/EMPLOYEE_RESOURCES/Employment_Handbook_7.29.19_(1).pdf

The school has clear policies on harassment. They cant look the other way and allow this sort of behaviour. It would be a huge knock to their reputation. If these racist shits were teachers they would have been sacked.

Their policies have no jurisdiction over a private residence. First Amendment applies and they're going to get their asses handed to them in court. Just watch.

Well they really do. The school has zero tolerance for racism which is opposed to their ethos. If these kids want to start up a junior klan then I guess they have every right, but they need to make other arrangements for their education.

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Monitoring social media, arresting people who mispronounce the gender, or sending police to the door for posting a picture with the butter knife on the Facebook, might be "normal" for you British faggots, but it's not normal for us, because we do have constitutional rights in this country. Fuck off.

Kicking out racist trash is pretty standard in the civilised world. Suck it up ya thick fucker.

Racist trash, or stupid kid, it doesn't matter, we all have right to free speech.

Yep, they do. They also have a right to the consequences thereof so what's your point.

Consequences for what, free speech at home?

They did not break any law, nor they did anything on the school grounds that school have "right" to punish them for.

It wasnt at home. It was broadcast to the world.

Just because you British cucks can't talk freely online (or in private), it doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't.

What U.S. law they broke when they broadcasted "to the world"?

As far as I know they havent broken any laws. But then they havent been charged with anything let alone convicted. They can spout their racist poison 24/7 to their hearts content. Where is the freedom of speech issue ?

Of course, since UK doesn't have free speech right, how could you possibly understand what it is?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because kids were being kids and did nothing illegal, just plain stupid.

Unlike in UK, we in US are free to be assholes as much we want. You see, that doesn't mean we are all assholes, or Brits are not, and it does not prevent you British faggots to be assholes, because most of you are, it just say that we don't punish people for being assholes. We're not tyrants, and we're not socialists neither, and unlike UK (which is tyrants and on the way to be socialist), we don't police people thoughts, and that is one of the things that makes us free. That is one of the reasons we broke from you, and you still don't get it.

You can’t really change someone’s beliefs, they have to do that on their own. You can lead a racist to facts, but you can’t force them to believe them. At the same note, you can lead socialist to facts, but you can't force them to believe them. That said, you can still use your freedom of speech to publicly oppose the stupidity of racism, and socialism too. Free speech is the solution to all the problems caused by having free speech. Not suppression.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

 

[Ame®icano]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

 

[Weatherman2020]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Orwell was a prophet. The days of thought police are here.

 

[Papageorgio]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater endangers people.

What about saying something people don’t like? Can the government punish you for speech made in your home and gets put on the Internet that is not violent, but racist?

One school district thinks it can.
Remember- the schools are closed until at best next September.

Wish I had a nickel for every stupid thing a teen said in the past year.

Carrollton High seniors expelled after racist video goes viral

Two Carrollton High School seniors were expelled Friday and won’t be allowed to graduate after a racist video they posted online went viral.

www.ajc.com

What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

Why are they denied a graduation?
Answer: for words spoken.
Not the sharpest pencil in the cup, are you?

Guess I'll just post it again -- What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

You need a hint on this?

The language thereof:
"Congress shall make no Law...."

I've just word-searched the entire Constitution. "High Schools shall make no Law" was not found.

Here, horse. This is called "water".

Because a PUBLIC school is a government institution, brainlet. Do you need this in crayon?

The school has a responsibility to maintain a safe environment where all pupils can study free from violence and hatred. Having racists in the community is a direct assault on that. The school did the only thing it could do.

A school is a community and racism has no place in any civilised society.

They were not at a school, they were home. No one's safety was put into jeopardy, no violence was done.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

 

[Ame®icano]

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

"it can lead to activity that is illegal"

So what? You wanna punish people before they actually commit the crime?

You see, in America we all have the right to be stupid. You seem to exercise that right vigorously. Should we charge you with a crime?

 

[satrebil]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater endangers people.

What about saying something people don’t like? Can the government punish you for speech made in your home and gets put on the Internet that is not violent, but racist?

One school district thinks it can.
Remember- the schools are closed until at best next September.

Wish I had a nickel for every stupid thing a teen said in the past year.

Carrollton High seniors expelled after racist video goes viral

Two Carrollton High School seniors were expelled Friday and won’t be allowed to graduate after a racist video they posted online went viral.

www.ajc.com

What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

Why are they denied a graduation?
Answer: for words spoken.
Not the sharpest pencil in the cup, are you?

Guess I'll just post it again -- What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

You need a hint on this?

The language thereof:
"Congress shall make no Law...."

I've just word-searched the entire Constitution. "High Schools shall make no Law" was not found.

Here, horse. This is called "water".

Because a PUBLIC school is a government institution, brainlet. Do you need this in crayon?

The school has a responsibility to maintain a safe environment where all pupils can study free from violence and hatred. Having racists in the community is a direct assault on that. The school did the only thing it could do.

A school is a community and racism has no place in any civilised society.

The video was made in a private home, moron. The school has ZERO authority to do anything about it. Just watch the inevitable lawsuit. Dumb shits like you just made these kids millionaires.

https://www.carrolltoncityschools.net/uploaded/2019-2020_YEAR/EMPLOYEE_RESOURCES/Employment_Handbook_7.29.19_(1).pdf

The school has clear policies on harassment. They cant look the other way and allow this sort of behaviour. It would be a huge knock to their reputation. If these racist shits were teachers they would have been sacked.

Their policies have no jurisdiction over a private residence. First Amendment applies and they're going to get their asses handed to them in court. Just watch.

Well they really do. The school has zero tolerance for racism which is opposed to their ethos. If these kids want to start up a junior klan then I guess they have every right, but they need to make other arrangements for their education.

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Monitoring social media, arresting people who mispronounce the gender, or sending police to the door for posting a picture with the butter knife on the Facebook, might be "normal" for you British faggots, but it's not normal for us, because we do have constitutional rights in this country. Fuck off.

Now his posts kinda make sense. I didn't know he was a Brit. He has no idea what freedom of speech is which is why he is unable to grasp that the school is in the wrong.

 

[satrebil]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

 

[Pogo]

Yelling fire in a crowded theater endangers people.

What about saying something people don’t like? Can the government punish you for speech made in your home and gets put on the Internet that is not violent, but racist?

One school district thinks it can.
Remember- the schools are closed until at best next September.

Wish I had a nickel for every stupid thing a teen said in the past year.

Carrollton High seniors expelled after racist video goes viral

Two Carrollton High School seniors were expelled Friday and won’t be allowed to graduate after a racist video they posted online went viral.

www.ajc.com

What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

Why are they denied a graduation?
Answer: for words spoken.
Not the sharpest pencil in the cup, are you?

Guess I'll just post it again -- What does a school denying graduations have to do with the First Amendment?

You need a hint on this?

The language thereof:
"Congress shall make no Law...."

I've just word-searched the entire Constitution. "High Schools shall make no Law" was not found.

Here, horse. This is called "water".

Because a PUBLIC school is a government institution, brainlet. Do you need this in crayon?

The school has a responsibility to maintain a safe environment where all pupils can study free from violence and hatred. Having racists in the community is a direct assault on that. The school did the only thing it could do.

A school is a community and racism has no place in any civilised society.

The video was made in a private home, moron. The school has ZERO authority to do anything about it. Just watch the inevitable lawsuit. Dumb shits like you just made these kids millionaires.

https://www.carrolltoncityschools.net/uploaded/2019-2020_YEAR/EMPLOYEE_RESOURCES/Employment_Handbook_7.29.19_(1).pdf

The school has clear policies on harassment. They cant look the other way and allow this sort of behaviour. It would be a huge knock to their reputation. If these racist shits were teachers they would have been sacked.

Their policies have no jurisdiction over a private residence. First Amendment applies and they're going to get their asses handed to them in court. Just watch.

Well they really do. The school has zero tolerance for racism which is opposed to their ethos. If these kids want to start up a junior klan then I guess they have every right, but they need to make other arrangements for their education.

View attachment 325903

Monitoring social media, arresting people who mispronounce the gender, or sending police to the door for posting a picture with the butter knife on the Facebook, might be "normal" for you British faggots, but it's not normal for us, because we do have constitutional rights in this country. Fuck off.

Now his posts kinda make sense. I didn't know he was a Brit. He has no idea what freedom of speech is which is why he is unable to grasp that the school is in the wrong.

Actually the thread was supposedly about the First Amendment, not a school.

 

[Pogo]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Find that obscure section of the Constitution where "High Schools shall make no Law" yet?

 

[satrebil]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Find that obscure section of the Constitution where "High Schools shall make no Law" yet?

Government is forbidden from taking punitive action against citizens for engaging in freedom of speech. Public school is a government institution. This has been explained to you ad nauseum. If you're too stupid to understand it that's on you. Your infantile attempts to distort the law are as pathetic as they are wrong, but par for the course of your typical moronic ramblings.

 

[Pogo]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Find that obscure section of the Constitution where "High Schools shall make no Law" yet?

Government is forbidden from taking punitive action against citizens for engaging in freedom of speech. Public school is a government institution. This has been explained to you ad nauseum. If you're too stupid to understand it that's on you. Your infantile attempts to distort the law are as pathetic as they are wrong, but par for the course of your typical moronic ramblings.

Once AGAIN --- a high school is not "government". "Government" didn't set up behaviour standards for the high school ---- the school itself did that.

 

[Ame®icano]

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Those who not support the free speech, doesn't really understand the concept of free speech. JOSweetHeart would like to go further and criminalize actions before they even happen, essentially, she wants to criminalize thoughts. How can someone even think to make thoughts illegal? Doing something like that would imperil people's most held beliefs, because all personal convictions would become basis for legal prosecution. Worse, all it would take for those in power is to slightly change definition of thought-crime and everyone can become a criminal by default. When power changes hands, so would definition.

The truth is, you can't criminalize thoughts, or speech as product of such, nor anyone sane would ever want to.

 

[Weatherman2020]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Find that obscure section of the Constitution where "High Schools shall make no Law" yet?

Government is forbidden from taking punitive action against citizens for engaging in freedom of speech. Public school is a government institution. This has been explained to you ad nauseum. If you're too stupid to understand it that's on you. Your infantile attempts to distort the law are as pathetic as they are wrong, but par for the course of your typical moronic ramblings.

Once AGAIN --- a high school is not "government". "Government" didn't set up behaviour standards for the high school ---- the school itself did that.

Amazing. A government run school is not government.
OK, time to bring back Bible reading and open prayer in schools.
For as you say, it’s not government.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Those who not support the free speech, doesn't really understand the concept of free speech. JOSweetHeart would like to go further and criminalize actions before they even happen, essentially, she wants to criminalize thoughts. How can someone even think to make thoughts illegal? Doing something like that would imperil people's most held beliefs, because all personal convictions would become basis for legal prosecution. Worse, all it would take for those in power is to slightly change definition of thought-crime and everyone can become a criminal by default. When power changes hands, so would definition.

The truth is, you can't criminalize thoughts, or speech as product of such, nor anyone sane would ever want to.

Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning. Democrats are using it as a how-to manual.

 

[Pogo]

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You're speaking as a true statist. You can't regulate free speech, otherwise it's not free speech. Constitution prevents that, therefore government, or any of their tentacles cannot limit it. It doesn't matter how stupid kids acted, or if they're racist, it's not illegal to harbor racist thought or even to espouse them. It's illegal to actually act on those thoughts in many respects, for example you can't refuse to hire someone based on race, or refuse to rent or sell a home based on race, or conspire to commit violence based on race. Thinking, or saying racist things, regardless how ridiculous and stupid they are, is not a crime itself. Racism is wrong, but because speech is protected, it's not illegal.

Even if it isn't illegal, it can lead to activity that is illegal and that right there is the reason why the people in charge of the school responded to what already took place the way that they decided to respond to it.

People can say whatever the hell they want to.

Yes they can, but if people have the right to respond to whatever they hear the way that they choose to respond to whatever they hear, is saying whatever you want to really a smart move to make? In other words, maybe the best thing to do is remain quiet until you are willing to deal with whatever takes place after you put out there whatever is on your mind.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People yes, government no.

Kids did not break any law. And if they're not breaking the law, what they do in their free time, it's of nobody's concern, especially not concern of the government, or a school.

Government have no right to respond to your free speech. There is no law against being a jerk, racists, or simply stupid.

This could be debatable. Back when I was still in high school, a girl in my class wasn't calling who she was talking to any bad names, but what she did choose to say in the presence of the teacher is what got her sent to the principal's office as well as the threatening delivery of her word choice. She had her head down on her desk and when the boy next to her placed his hand on her to wake her up, she got mad and said what she put out there for the whole class to hear, so in other words, it isn't just about what is said. How something is said is what makes a world of difference.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Apple and oranges. This is public school. It's not school's job to police kids when they're not in school.
Misbehaving in school, and not following school rules is one thing. What kids are doing, or saying, outside of school is not their business.

If what they do outside the school can eventually have a negative impact on what goes on inside the school, then what is done is the school's business and sadly what the guys are guilty of can have a negative impact on what goes on inside. Do I think that they should've been booted from the school if words are the only thing that they are guilty of? No, but because of what their feelings can lead up to later on, some form of restraint/separation may be needed.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

It's not school business to monitor and judge what kids do outside of the school. That's not school purpose, but to educate them. If kids didn't break any laws, it's not school responsibility to find them "guilty" of anything, and to punish them for it. We have a legal system for that.

It may not be the school's responsibility to find students guilty of anything, but it is the school's responsibility to maintain a safe facility for the students to have anything to do with and when students choose to be guilty of belligerent behavior that can lead to life threatening situations, something is to be done right then instead of waiting for a life altering move to happen first. Is removing racist people from the picture in such a way the right move to make? To me, the kids in question should be allowed to finish up their education, but if they can't co-exist in a civil manner with whoever they have an issue with, their education should be completed somewhere else.

God bless you and everyone involved always!!!

Holly

You're talking about school safety?

Okay, when we're gonna start removing socialists teachers from schools? How about kids who play violent games at home?

You want safe schools, start there.

Actually to me, a violent video game for example is the better place for anyone to express whatever negative feelings it is that they may have for another person. If a person doesn't have something like that in their lives to take their frustrations out on, something or someone real is what they may use instead which is what does not need to happen more than it already has.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

"Actually to me"

To you!

You have one opinion, I have another.

Constitution have no opinions, and neither do laws. They're suppose to be equal for everybody. Either, you break the law, or you don't.

Did these kids do inside of school? No. Did they break any law? No. School have no power over their rights.

The rights of the kids who were expelled do not over ride the rights of everyone else at the school and since everyone else at the school outnumber those who were expelled, everyone else at the school are who do not have to pack up and leave.

God bless you and them always!!!

Holly

Huh?

Kids were deprived of their graduation because school overstep their authority. What about their rights?

If they didn't want to lose their right/privilege to attend graduation, they shouldn't have done or said wrong whatever they said or done wrong and at the end of the day, why should their rights be more important compared to the rights of everyone else in the picture especially when everyone else in the picture doesn't have a thing to do with whatever questionable activity took place? To me, those who were removed should just be glad that more rights/privileges weren't ripped away from them. What they lost is something that plenty of other kids may not be getting either due to the Covid 19 issue and so why is this the big deal that some people have turned this matter into?

God bless you and the innocent people who are punished anyways always!!!

Holly

You want some unelected government desk jockeys watching your actions at home to determine what government programs to deny you?

The people in charge of schools or anywhere for that matter have a responsibility to the lives of everyone else in the picture and so because of how far those who got removed are already willing to go, they got removed in the way that the people in charge saw fit. I don't blame the school officials for doing what they can to make sure that things do not escalate on school property.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly

P.S. At the end of the day, if you can't serve the time, why do the crime? And if you are not sure if what you are wanting to do or say is a crime or not, right then would be the right time to exercise your freedom of learning by asking questions.

Serious question: Do you want to live in a country where you can be punished for what you "might" do?

No other students rights were violated by what these kids did. You don't have the right to be un-offended. That's literally why the 1st Amendment exists.

Find that obscure section of the Constitution where "High Schools shall make no Law" yet?

Government is forbidden from taking punitive action against citizens for engaging in freedom of speech. Public school is a government institution. This has been explained to you ad nauseum. If you're too stupid to understand it that's on you. Your infantile attempts to distort the law are as pathetic as they are wrong, but par for the course of your typical moronic ramblings.

Once AGAIN --- a high school is not "government". "Government" didn't set up behaviour standards for the high school ---- the school itself did that.

Amazing. A government run school is not government.
OK, time to bring back Bible reading and open prayer in schools.
For as you say, it’s not government.

Government runs Carrollton high school now, does it?