Spy Balloon

Should the Biden admin have shot down the wayward Chinese spy balloon currently traversing the US?

  • Yes, spy balloons should NOT be allowed in US airspace.

    Votes: 32 91.4%
  • No. (state your reason)

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Total voters
    35
No one knows what's inside of the Chinese balloon, biological weapons, nukes or something else.
The moronic Joe can do nothing, the balloon is laughing and continues to do what's please.
How Biden can fight Putin when he can't stop a balloon about his head?


China acknowledged Friday that a high-altitude balloon spotted this week over Montana does in fact belong to Beijing, but it referred to the airship as a civilian device "used for scientific research such as meteorology." A senior defense official told CBS News on Thursday that the Defense Department was "confident" that it was, in fact, a Chinese surveillance balloon.

The payload of the balloon, that is, the part under the balloon conducting the surveillance, is the size of two to three school buses, and the balloon itself is much larger, according to a U.S. official.

According to a statement by the Chinese foreign ministry, the airship was "affected by the westerly wind" and its ability to control its direction "is limited." The statement also says that the balloon "seriously deviated from the scheduled route" and expressed regret that "the airship strayed into the United States due to force majeure."

By Friday morning, the balloon was no longer over Montana but had moved over the Midwest and is now over "the middle of the country," according to a U.S. official. A Chinese balloon has never been over the middle of the country before. The only other time a Chinese balloon has flown over the continental U.S. was during a brief overflight of Florida. There have been overflights of Hawaii and Guam. In previous instances, the Chinese have been able to recover the balloon. Although it can maneuver, it will still travel in the direction it is carried by the jet stream.

There has been some discussion of trying to somehow capture the balloon, but this official says that this is not possible.

Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder declined to describe the specific dimensions of the balloon, "other than to say that it is big enough that, again, in reviewing our approach, we do recognize that any potential debris field would be significant and potentially cause civilian injuries or deaths or significant property damage."

The U.S. views the Chinese explanation of the balloon's purpose with "a fair amount of skepticism," and it is still trying to figure out what China's intent was.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been expected to travel to China this weekend for a diplomatic trip, but as the Biden administration weighs a broader response to the discovery of the balloon, his trip was postponed, two diplomatic sources told CBS News. However, the U.S. does not believe it was timed to scuttle Blinken's trip.

The balloon is not going to run out of fuel, since it has solar panels. The official also said that the balloon steers by rudder and is corkscrewing around to slow its progress over land, but the jet stream continues to move it on a trajectory across the U.S. The Pentagon is still considering ways to "dispose" of it but has "grave concerns" about the damage it would cause if it fell to Earth.

Although it's difficult to find a precise definition of how high sovereign air space extends, government lawyers regard this as a violation of U.S. air space.

The U.S. engaged with Chinese officials "urgently," and President Biden was briefed on the situation, a senior defense official said. On Friday morning, a senior U.S. official said that Washington had communicated directly with Beijing about the situation at multiple levels. A Chinese official was summoned to the State Department for a formal U.S. complaint.

Answering a question in Beijing on Friday during a regular briefing, a spokesperson for China's foreign ministry said the country "regrets that the airship strayed into the United States," which they attributed to a "westerly wind" and the device's limited "control ability."

 
Everybody saw it. Apparently it's Chinese origin. Why doesn't the Pentagon shoot it down? Can it contain biological weapons? It's going to come down somewhere. Why ain't old Joe talking?
 
Bad theory. The balloon has nothing to do with Taiwan.
General military opinion is shoot it down w/o any casualties. Very doable.
Then why is it still in the air? Plenty of opportunity over the Bering Sea. ..My theory was tongue in cheek.But I also think Biden wanting to shoot it down just gave him cover.There's more here than we know.And the only reason I say that is because it's still in the air.
 
They are obviously working on some way to get this thing intact.


Why would that be "obvious" to you?

Brandon is indebted to Red China and is enjoying senility nowadays. That would be pretty advanced thinking on the part of Sleepy Joe to be "working" on anything concerning espionage.
 
No one knows what's inside of the Chinese balloon, biological weapons, nukes or something else.
The moronic Joe can do nothing, the balloon is laughing and continues to do what's please.
How Biden can fight Putin when he can't stop a balloon about his head?


China acknowledged Friday that a high-altitude balloon spotted this week over Montana does in fact belong to Beijing, but it referred to the airship as a civilian device "used for scientific research such as meteorology." A senior defense official told CBS News on Thursday that the Defense Department was "confident" that it was, in fact, a Chinese surveillance balloon.

The payload of the balloon, that is, the part under the balloon conducting the surveillance, is the size of two to three school buses, and the balloon itself is much larger, according to a U.S. official.

According to a statement by the Chinese foreign ministry, the airship was "affected by the westerly wind" and its ability to control its direction "is limited." The statement also says that the balloon "seriously deviated from the scheduled route" and expressed regret that "the airship strayed into the United States due to force majeure."

By Friday morning, the balloon was no longer over Montana but had moved over the Midwest and is now over "the middle of the country," according to a U.S. official. A Chinese balloon has never been over the middle of the country before. The only other time a Chinese balloon has flown over the continental U.S. was during a brief overflight of Florida. There have been overflights of Hawaii and Guam. In previous instances, the Chinese have been able to recover the balloon. Although it can maneuver, it will still travel in the direction it is carried by the jet stream.

There has been some discussion of trying to somehow capture the balloon, but this official says that this is not possible.

Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder declined to describe the specific dimensions of the balloon, "other than to say that it is big enough that, again, in reviewing our approach, we do recognize that any potential debris field would be significant and potentially cause civilian injuries or deaths or significant property damage."

The U.S. views the Chinese explanation of the balloon's purpose with "a fair amount of skepticism," and it is still trying to figure out what China's intent was.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been expected to travel to China this weekend for a diplomatic trip, but as the Biden administration weighs a broader response to the discovery of the balloon, his trip was postponed, two diplomatic sources told CBS News. However, the U.S. does not believe it was timed to scuttle Blinken's trip.

The balloon is not going to run out of fuel, since it has solar panels. The official also said that the balloon steers by rudder and is corkscrewing around to slow its progress over land, but the jet stream continues to move it on a trajectory across the U.S. The Pentagon is still considering ways to "dispose" of it but has "grave concerns" about the damage it would cause if it fell to Earth.

Although it's difficult to find a precise definition of how high sovereign air space extends, government lawyers regard this as a violation of U.S. air space.

The U.S. engaged with Chinese officials "urgently," and President Biden was briefed on the situation, a senior defense official said. On Friday morning, a senior U.S. official said that Washington had communicated directly with Beijing about the situation at multiple levels. A Chinese official was summoned to the State Department for a formal U.S. complaint.


Answering a question in Beijing on Friday during a regular briefing, a spokesperson for China's foreign ministry said the country "regrets that the airship strayed into the United States," which they attributed to a "westerly wind" and the device's limited "control ability."


Remember, our "elite" intelligence community has just been fooled by a crackhead into thinking his porn-filled laptop was a Russian disinformation operation. In Joe Biden's America, we are not safe at all.
 
Most military aircraft can fly high enough. And their 20mm cannons would be more than enough to blow the Intercontinental Balloon of Doom out of the sky.
ADB (automatic drifting balloon)
This is an unmanned balloon that is used for a variety of shady activities.
Namely: reconnaissance, jamming, agitation, sabotage, and even strikes. And of course for stupidly trolling the country's air defense. Launched from anywhere with a difference of about an hour and a half, or all at once, the number up to a hundred, which makes the process of destroying them a complete fuck-up.
An ADB shot down by a pilot and confirmed (or better yet, found on the ground) is almost a guaranteed medal. ADB are very, very difficult to destroy, the radar of the aircraft does not see them, they fly almost in space at altitudes up to 25 km, painted in the color of the sky, or even transparent like jellyfish. The reflective surface is smaller than any of your stealth aircraft, so you can try, you fellow pilots, all you want.

For ADB they use special airplane charges, these are missiles with heat seeker (R-73) and special anti-aerostatic incendiary-tracer shells, with special fuse which activates at contact with thin shell of balloon. This fuse is also triggered by raindrops, so it's better not to shoot them in the rain.
Rockets, on the other hand, capture the heated sunny side of the balloon with their clever thermal head.
I think it is clear that it is almost impossible to find and shoot down an ADB at night. I personally do not know such real cases.
To summarize: For any sane results, you need a dedicated aircraft with a special charger for destroying this nastiness, which is not suitable for any other task. All of this is expensive and time-consuming.
First of all, it's hard to hit the damn ball, and it's hard to find and see it.
Secondly, as a rule, one hit is not enough. It doesn't give a fuck about shell holes, it will slowly descend and fly where it needs to for thousands of kilometers, dropping ballast more often.
And by the way, it can also explode on a lucky hit and take the pilot and the plane with it.
In general, fuck them, these ADB.
 
Why would that be "obvious" to you?

Brandon is indebted to Red China and is enjoying senility nowadays. That would be pretty advanced thinking on the part of Sleepy Joe to be "working" on anything concerning espionage.
That's last original thought Joe Biden had, he left swirling in the toilet
 
Biden hasn't weapons to down it, otherwise the job would had been done
All the world is laughing about the old impotent moron in D.C.
I don’t buy for one millisecond that our military can’t drop an overflying balloon even at high altitude.
 
Why would that be "obvious" to you?

Brandon is indebted to Red China and is enjoying senility nowadays. That would be pretty advanced thinking on the part of Sleepy Joe to be "working" on anything concerning espionage.
Well for one I'm not a partisan idiot looking for nefarious plots in even the most straightforward decisions.
 
Remember, our "elite" intelligence community has just been fooled by a crackhead into thinking his porn-filled laptop was a Russian disinformation operation. In Joe Biden's America, we are not safe at all.
How much do you get paid per post?
How does one apply for such a job?
 
Suitcase Nuke over center of Country =EMP
Geeez!
Sounds like you watch too many action movies.
Don't worry. The situation is well under control.


"Why not shoot it down? We have to do the risk-reward here," a senior defense official said on Thursday. "So the first question is, does it pose a threat, a physical kinetic threat, to individuals in the United States in the US homeland? Our assessment is it does not. Does it pose a threat to civilian aviation? Our assessment is it does not. Does it pose a significantly enhanced threat on the intelligence side? Our best assessment right now is that it does not. So given that profile, we assess the risk of downing it, even if the probability is low in a sparsely populated area of the debris falling and hurting someone or damaging property, that it wasn't worth it."

 
This is a clear violation of the Intercontinental Balloons of Doom treaty of 1875.
 

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