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Just say "NO" to government, period.
If more people would stop looking to government to fix everything, then we would not be in the mess we are in
By the way..I believe that people are signing off on theiir right to privacy..that hurts all of us as a nation.
Doing drug tests is an assinine thing to be cool with and plays right into the hands of all those who wish to destroy the US from the inside
Just say "NO" to government, period.
If more people would stop looking to government to fix everything, then we would not be in the mess we are in
By the way..I believe that people are signing off on theiir right to privacy..that hurts all of us as a nation.
Doing drug tests is an assinine thing to be cool with and plays right into the hands of all those who wish to destroy the US from the inside
Well, as I've said, I'm willing to argue whether or not the government has any business giving out welfare at all, but it's a different thread. This one is about how and why we're doing it, on the assumption that we ARE going to do it. I don't approve of welfare from either a Constitutional or an effectiveness standpoint, but the reality is that we ARE giving it, and there's no point in changing the focus to make it even less useful for the stated purpose.
And we do look for those people and when we find them, they are disqualified.
Hence the term "entitlement."
Some are not entitlement programs. For example, TANF is not an entitlement program. Clients have to jump through some pretty substantial hoops in order to be qualified. They must participate in a case plan, they must stay in touch with their workers, they must continue to work towards self sufficiency.
Food stamps is meant to be easy and accessible. It costs less than any of the other programs, but it's the easiest to get and arguably, helps the most. $300 in fs is $300 a month you can use to pay something else. Sure, some just won't apply it to anything valuable...but as I said, people get discouraged when there's nothing the money can make a dent in. So you have $300 after paying the electric bill (to keep the heat on). Your rent is $450, your phone is $50, your gas to go to your Jobs class is $75 a month.
Tell me what the hell you're supposed to do with that money.YOu pay the electric, use it for gas, and there's not enough for rent and the landlord doesn't take partial payments, so you by a little bag and maybe take the kids to a movie. Big fucking deal.
Very true.No, because your employer doesn't want to fund people who take drugs, and you have no problem defrauding him and taking his hard earned money. But you do have a problem from people who are in an entitlement program, with no requirements as far as drug use goes, daring to take the tiny fraction of money you have donated to the program.
Which you wouldn't be donating at all if your boss knew.
You're a hypocrite.
And we do look for those people and when we find them, they are disqualified.
Very true. What you are more likely to see are people bartering some of their FS for cash in order to buy non-food items like toilet paper, diapers, toiletries.
My experience has been that people on welfare who take drugs don't usually buy them themselves. Rather, they go to parties or social gatherings with their friends and partake of communal drug supplies.
And again, one does not get people off drugs by slapping them down and starving their children the first time they screw up. If you're going to have a program purportedly aimed at helping people, then administering it from a punitive and hostile standpoint is counterproductive, not to mention ludicrous.
Hence the term "entitlement."
Some are not entitlement programs. For example, TANF is not an entitlement program. Clients have to jump through some pretty substantial hoops in order to be qualified. They must participate in a case plan, they must stay in touch with their workers, they must continue to work towards self sufficiency.
Food stamps is meant to be easy and accessible. It costs less than any of the other programs, but it's the easiest to get and arguably, helps the most. $300 in fs is $300 a month you can use to pay something else. Sure, some just won't apply it to anything valuable...but as I said, people get discouraged when there's nothing the money can make a dent in. So you have $300 after paying the electric bill (to keep the heat on). Your rent is $450, your phone is $50, your gas to go to your Jobs class is $75 a month.
Tell me what the hell you're supposed to do with that money.YOu pay the electric, use it for gas, and there's not enough for rent and the landlord doesn't take partial payments, so you by a little bag and maybe take the kids to a movie. Big fucking deal.
I like this!!! How about we also limit the types of food they can get on food stamps too. I'm sick of people having a cart full of junk and expensive meat and using their Oregon Trail card (FS card) to pay for it. Then when asked to use a club card for discounts, they say nah, not like I'm paying for it. Set it up like WIC.
Father Time: I would be fine with that. Drunks, potheads, deadbeats, no reason they should be slurping booze on one hand and eating paid for steak and shrimp on another.
Xotoxi: just like an alcoholic, someone that needs a buzz always finds money for that high, no matter how broke they are, their priorities are just that poor. Additionally...there is a large market for swapping welfare food for drugs, booze, cigarettes, among lowlifes.
Hey, take the kids and let them be wards of the state. We're already paying for their living expenses, right?
Hey, take the kids and let them be wards of the state. We're already paying for their living expenses, right?
And another "compassionate conservative" speaks. Your motto is I got mine, so fuck everybody else. You're part of the problem, not the solution, and that's why people like you will continue to try to elect like-minded leaders and you will continue to lose.
Oh spare me. Conservatives were resopnsible for the welfare reforms which have been wildly successful, and which Obama is rolling back.
Oh spare me. Conservatives were resopnsible for the welfare reforms which have been wildly successful, and which Obama is rolling back.
Actually CLINTON signed the WELFARE REFORM into effect, Allie.
What he signed into effect was essantially the REPUBLICAN REFORM plan, though.
That's another of those reasons that the Republicans hated him so.
By signing that reform law, he took away one of the favorite talking points.
FWIW, I think it was a fairly good reform for welfare, so kudos to the Republicans for drafting it, and to Clinton for signing it.
