Stephen Crowder, Top 5 AR-15 myths...banning them is a Trojan Horse...

[Skull Pilot]

I'm asking you.

A gun that capable of automatic fire is NOT the same as a gun that is not capable of automatic fire

That is about as simply as I can explain it to you.

If you cannot understand that don't bother me anymore because I don't argue with the mentally retarded

Yes, that is a difference, but automatic fire is not the only reason that design was chosen as the military's goto weapon. They could have had AF with any number of other guns. Yes the design has been slightly modified to bypass the AF, but all the other qualities that convinced the military that that particular design would be the best tool for killing as many people as possible in as short of time as possible are still present.

It is the only meaningful difference.

The bottom rifle can fire just as fast as the Ar 15.

Composite materials generally stand up to abuse better than natural substances like wood since they are more resistant to moisture, weather and impacts it has nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon

You got a link to that firing rate? Which one did the military decide would be a better killing device?

How can you make an argument when you don't even know the definitions of the relevant terms?

The very definition of a semiautomatic firearm is that it fires one and only one round per trigger pull

Therefore the number of rounds per second or minute that any semiautomatic firearm in existence can fire is completely dependent on the speed the person can pull and release the trigger.

Are all semi-auto rifles capable of unlimited rate of fire, and only limited by how fast the trigger is pulled? Are all semi-auto rifles capable of accurate fire for extended periods of time?

ALL semiautomatics fire one round for each trigger pull. As you can see that is not an unlimited rate of fire.

Even fully automatic firearms run up against a limit and the mechanics of the automatic firing mechanism and its cycle time is what limits a fully auto firearm.

A semiautomatic is limited to how fast a person can pull the trigger.

You might be able to pull the trigger faster than me you might not. But over time people tend to fatigue therefore the max rate of trigger pull is not maintained

And in general if you are pulling the trigger as fast as you can you will have little or no accuracy

 

[Skull Pilot]

The anti gunners know, though. That is why they are now calling for banning all semi automatic rifles...as we heard at the CNN hate rally this week......and also why they are using the term "weapons of war," Since they know they can get to the rest of our rifles if they can only get the AR-15 banned ...since the all operate with the same action....

Again with the " They're coming to get all our guns!!!!!!! " craziness. Grow up dummy.

Then tell me what is the reason for banning one particular semiautomatic rifle when all other semiautomatic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same as the banned rifle.

The only reason to start with one particular rifle is to expand the ban to all other semiautomatic rifles

All rifles are not the same. As a gun nut, you should know that.

I never said they were.

I said ALL semiautomtic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same

No.

Of course they do.

If they don't why don't you tell me what the AR 15 can do that any other .223 caliber semiauto rifle can't do

 

[BULLDOG]

Really? All people who would rather not have their kids killed at school want to ban all semi auto rifles? That's amazing. Did Alex Jones tell you that?

Nobody can shoot up a school with a semi-auto handgun?

Your canned gun nut responses are funny. Which semi-auto handgun can fire as many bullets as fast as the AR is capable of? Which semi-auto hand guns have 30 round magazines? Which semi-automatic handguns are as accurate over a wide range as a rifle?

All semiautomatics fire at the same rate it matters not if it is a handgun, a rifle or a shotgun

ALL semiautomatic firearms fire one round per trigger pull

PERIOD.

Yet different guns advertise different rates of fire capabilities. Why is that?

No they don't.

Why don't you post the ads for 2 .223 semiautomatic rifles and highlight where the difference in the rates of fire are in the ads.

ALL semiautomatics fire at the same rate.

That rate is by definition one round per trigger pull.

You got credible proof that all semi-autos are capable of firing at the same rate? I would think a knowledgeable gun nut such as yourself would have that data on the tip of his tongue.

 

[BULLDOG]

So people who support reasonable gun control are using the legal routs laid out for them by the constitution to bring the change that the majority of the country wants. How horrible.

Define "reasonable" gun control.

Universal background checks would be a start. Trump-0 made it easier for crazies to get guns. It would be nice to reverse that too.

Background checks didn't stop the piece of shit in FL from getting guns
Didn't stop the piece of shit in Vegas from getting guns
Didn't stop the pieces of shit in Columbine from getting guns and the federal assault weapon ban didn't prevent the Columbine shooting

And DWI laws didn't stop that kid from being run over yesterday. So?

But you seem to think background checks will stop shootings.

I know that no law prevents anyone from committing a crime but you don't seem to.

So all laws are a waste? That's nuts.

 

[BULLDOG]

Who gives a shit about rate of fire? These school shooters are "spraying and praying", they are methodically moving from room to room, acquiring a target, and firing. And thats another reason that size of magazine really makes no difference either.

Mark

Yes, and they generally choose the weapon that is better for that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nobody can shoot up a school with a semi-auto handgun?

Your canned gun nut responses are funny. Which semi-auto handgun can fire as many bullets as fast as the AR is capable of? Which semi-auto hand guns have 30 round magazines? Which semi-automatic handguns are as accurate over a wide range as a rifle?

All semiautomatics fire at the same rate it matters not if it is a handgun, a rifle or a shotgun

ALL semiautomatic firearms fire one round per trigger pull

PERIOD.

Yet different guns advertise different rates of fire capabilities. Why is that?

No they don't.

Why don't you post the ads for 2 .223 semiautomatic rifles and highlight where the difference in the rates of fire are in the ads.

ALL semiautomatics fire at the same rate.

That rate is by definition one round per trigger pull.

You got credible proof that all semi-autos are capable of firing at the same rate? I would think a knowledgeable gun nut such as yourself would have that data on the tip of his tongue.

MY fucking God man

Please tell me exactly what you don't understand about the phrase

One round per trigger pull.

Semi-automatic firearm - Wikipedia

A semi-automatic firearm, or self-loading firearm, is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridgesremain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Define "reasonable" gun control.

Universal background checks would be a start. Trump-0 made it easier for crazies to get guns. It would be nice to reverse that too.

Background checks didn't stop the piece of shit in FL from getting guns
Didn't stop the piece of shit in Vegas from getting guns
Didn't stop the pieces of shit in Columbine from getting guns and the federal assault weapon ban didn't prevent the Columbine shooting

And DWI laws didn't stop that kid from being run over yesterday. So?

But you seem to think background checks will stop shootings.

I know that no law prevents anyone from committing a crime but you don't seem to.

So all laws are a waste? That's nuts.

Where did I say that?

Laws are nothing but a codification of prohibited activities and a statement of the punishments for engaging in those activities and as such are necessary but those laws do not stop anyone from committing a crime

 

[80zephyr]

Who gives a shit about rate of fire? These school shooters are "spraying and praying", they are methodically moving from room to room, acquiring a target, and firing. And thats another reason that size of magazine really makes no difference either.

Mark

Yes, and they generally choose the weapon that is better for that.

Better for what? Any semi auto or pump gun would work fast enough for a methodical shooter. My hope is that with this last shooting, they have at least an audio tape available that would show the rate of fire of the shooter.

Mark

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, that is a difference, but automatic fire is not the only reason that design was chosen as the military's goto weapon. They could have had AF with any number of other guns. Yes the design has been slightly modified to bypass the AF, but all the other qualities that convinced the military that that particular design would be the best tool for killing as many people as possible in as short of time as possible are still present.

It is the only meaningful difference.

The bottom rifle can fire just as fast as the Ar 15.

Composite materials generally stand up to abuse better than natural substances like wood since they are more resistant to moisture, weather and impacts it has nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon

You got a link to that firing rate? Which one did the military decide would be a better killing device?

How can you make an argument when you don't even know the definitions of the relevant terms?

The very definition of a semiautomatic firearm is that it fires one and only one round per trigger pull

Therefore the number of rounds per second or minute that any semiautomatic firearm in existence can fire is completely dependent on the speed the person can pull and release the trigger.

Are all semi-auto rifles capable of unlimited rate of fire, and only limited by how fast the trigger is pulled? Are all semi-auto rifles capable of accurate fire for extended periods of time?

ALL semiautomatics fire one round for each trigger pull. As you can see that is not an unlimited rate of fire.

Even fully automatic firearms run up against a limit and the mechanics of the automatic firing mechanism and its cycle time is what limits a fully auto firearm.

A semiautomatic is limited to how fast a person can pull the trigger.

You might be able to pull the trigger faster than me you might not. But over time people tend to fatigue therefore the max rate of trigger pull is not maintained

And in general if you are pulling the trigger as fast as you can you will have little or no accuracy

Yes, and sand can only be loaded one scoop at the time. These pictures are loading sand at the exact same rate, right?

 

[BULLDOG]

Again with the " They're coming to get all our guns!!!!!!! " craziness. Grow up dummy.

Then tell me what is the reason for banning one particular semiautomatic rifle when all other semiautomatic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same as the banned rifle.

The only reason to start with one particular rifle is to expand the ban to all other semiautomatic rifles

All rifles are not the same. As a gun nut, you should know that.

I never said they were.

I said ALL semiautomtic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same

No.

Of course they do.

If they don't why don't you tell me what the AR 15 can do that any other .223 caliber semiauto rifle can't do

Specifically designed and capable of high rate of fire for extended periods of time.

 

[80zephyr]

It is the only meaningful difference.

The bottom rifle can fire just as fast as the Ar 15.

Composite materials generally stand up to abuse better than natural substances like wood since they are more resistant to moisture, weather and impacts it has nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon

You got a link to that firing rate? Which one did the military decide would be a better killing device?

How can you make an argument when you don't even know the definitions of the relevant terms?

The very definition of a semiautomatic firearm is that it fires one and only one round per trigger pull

Therefore the number of rounds per second or minute that any semiautomatic firearm in existence can fire is completely dependent on the speed the person can pull and release the trigger.

Are all semi-auto rifles capable of unlimited rate of fire, and only limited by how fast the trigger is pulled? Are all semi-auto rifles capable of accurate fire for extended periods of time?

ALL semiautomatics fire one round for each trigger pull. As you can see that is not an unlimited rate of fire.

Even fully automatic firearms run up against a limit and the mechanics of the automatic firing mechanism and its cycle time is what limits a fully auto firearm.

A semiautomatic is limited to how fast a person can pull the trigger.

You might be able to pull the trigger faster than me you might not. But over time people tend to fatigue therefore the max rate of trigger pull is not maintained

And in general if you are pulling the trigger as fast as you can you will have little or no accuracy

Yes, and sand can only be loaded one scoop at the time. These pictures are loading sand at the exact same rate, right?
View attachment 178841

Yes, the rate is probably the same. The size of the load is different, however.

Mark

 

[Skull Pilot]

It is the only meaningful difference.

The bottom rifle can fire just as fast as the Ar 15.

Composite materials generally stand up to abuse better than natural substances like wood since they are more resistant to moisture, weather and impacts it has nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon

You got a link to that firing rate? Which one did the military decide would be a better killing device?

How can you make an argument when you don't even know the definitions of the relevant terms?

The very definition of a semiautomatic firearm is that it fires one and only one round per trigger pull

Therefore the number of rounds per second or minute that any semiautomatic firearm in existence can fire is completely dependent on the speed the person can pull and release the trigger.

Are all semi-auto rifles capable of unlimited rate of fire, and only limited by how fast the trigger is pulled? Are all semi-auto rifles capable of accurate fire for extended periods of time?

ALL semiautomatics fire one round for each trigger pull. As you can see that is not an unlimited rate of fire.

Even fully automatic firearms run up against a limit and the mechanics of the automatic firing mechanism and its cycle time is what limits a fully auto firearm.

A semiautomatic is limited to how fast a person can pull the trigger.

You might be able to pull the trigger faster than me you might not. But over time people tend to fatigue therefore the max rate of trigger pull is not maintained

And in general if you are pulling the trigger as fast as you can you will have little or no accuracy

Yes, and sand can only be loaded one scoop at the time. These pictures are loading sand at the exact same rate, right?
View attachment 178841

What's loading got to do with the fact that ALL semiautomatics only fire one round per trigger pull?

To use your sandbox analogy/

Say you pour sand into a funnel that only lets one grain of sand through every time you push a button

Would that sand move though the funnel at a faster rate if the funnel was being filled with a table spoon or a gallon jug?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Then tell me what is the reason for banning one particular semiautomatic rifle when all other semiautomatic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same as the banned rifle.

The only reason to start with one particular rifle is to expand the ban to all other semiautomatic rifles

All rifles are not the same. As a gun nut, you should know that.

I never said they were.

I said ALL semiautomtic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same

No.

Of course they do.

If they don't why don't you tell me what the AR 15 can do that any other .223 caliber semiauto rifle can't do

Specifically designed and capable of high rate of fire for extended periods of time.

no.

My Ruger Mini 14 can fire the exact same round just as fast and for as long as any AR

And tell me how can one .223 rifle that can only fire one round per trigger pull have a higher rate of fire than another .223 rifle that can only fire one round per trigger pull

 

[BULLDOG]

Your canned gun nut responses are funny. Which semi-auto handgun can fire as many bullets as fast as the AR is capable of? Which semi-auto hand guns have 30 round magazines? Which semi-automatic handguns are as accurate over a wide range as a rifle?

All semiautomatics fire at the same rate it matters not if it is a handgun, a rifle or a shotgun

ALL semiautomatic firearms fire one round per trigger pull

PERIOD.

Yet different guns advertise different rates of fire capabilities. Why is that?

No they don't.

Why don't you post the ads for 2 .223 semiautomatic rifles and highlight where the difference in the rates of fire are in the ads.

ALL semiautomatics fire at the same rate.

That rate is by definition one round per trigger pull.

You got credible proof that all semi-autos are capable of firing at the same rate? I would think a knowledgeable gun nut such as yourself would have that data on the tip of his tongue.

MY fucking God man

Please tell me exactly what you don't understand about the phrase

One round per trigger pull.

Semi-automatic firearm - Wikipedia

A semi-automatic firearm, or self-loading firearm, is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridgesremain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.

My fucking God gun nut.
What don't you understand about "capable of high rate of fire for extended periods"? If all rifles had equal capabilities, why do you gun nuts always argue about which one is best?

 

[Skull Pilot]

All semiautomatics fire at the same rate it matters not if it is a handgun, a rifle or a shotgun

ALL semiautomatic firearms fire one round per trigger pull

PERIOD.

Yet different guns advertise different rates of fire capabilities. Why is that?

No they don't.

Why don't you post the ads for 2 .223 semiautomatic rifles and highlight where the difference in the rates of fire are in the ads.

ALL semiautomatics fire at the same rate.

That rate is by definition one round per trigger pull.

You got credible proof that all semi-autos are capable of firing at the same rate? I would think a knowledgeable gun nut such as yourself would have that data on the tip of his tongue.

MY fucking God man

Please tell me exactly what you don't understand about the phrase

One round per trigger pull.

Semi-automatic firearm - Wikipedia

A semi-automatic firearm, or self-loading firearm, is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridgesremain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.

My fucking God gun nut.
What don't you understand about "capable of high rate of fire for extended periods"? If all rifles had equal capabilities, why do you gun nuts always argue about which one is best?

Where have I ever argued which rife is the best.

And please tell me exactly what is a high rate of fire?

And then tell me how one round per trigger pull meets that definition.

I can't help it if you are utterly incapable of understanding the basics of semiautomatic firearms even though I use the simplest language I can but until you actually educate yourself and learn about the rifles you want to argue about you are just wasting my time.

 

[BULLDOG]

Universal background checks would be a start. Trump-0 made it easier for crazies to get guns. It would be nice to reverse that too.

Background checks didn't stop the piece of shit in FL from getting guns
Didn't stop the piece of shit in Vegas from getting guns
Didn't stop the pieces of shit in Columbine from getting guns and the federal assault weapon ban didn't prevent the Columbine shooting

And DWI laws didn't stop that kid from being run over yesterday. So?

But you seem to think background checks will stop shootings.

I know that no law prevents anyone from committing a crime but you don't seem to.

So all laws are a waste? That's nuts.

Where did I say that?

Laws are nothing but a codification of prohibited activities and a statement of the punishments for engaging in those activities and as such are necessary but those laws do not stop anyone from committing a crime

Got it. Laws are not a detriment to any crime. You know that's nuts, don't you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Background checks didn't stop the piece of shit in FL from getting guns
Didn't stop the piece of shit in Vegas from getting guns
Didn't stop the pieces of shit in Columbine from getting guns and the federal assault weapon ban didn't prevent the Columbine shooting

And DWI laws didn't stop that kid from being run over yesterday. So?

But you seem to think background checks will stop shootings.

I know that no law prevents anyone from committing a crime but you don't seem to.

So all laws are a waste? That's nuts.

Where did I say that?

Laws are nothing but a codification of prohibited activities and a statement of the punishments for engaging in those activities and as such are necessary but those laws do not stop anyone from committing a crime

Got it. Laws are not a detriment to any crime. You know that's nuts, don't you?

So what criminals have been stopped by a law?

You do understand they people are criminals because the law did not stop them from committing a crime don't you?

 

[BULLDOG]

You got a link to that firing rate? Which one did the military decide would be a better killing device?

How can you make an argument when you don't even know the definitions of the relevant terms?

The very definition of a semiautomatic firearm is that it fires one and only one round per trigger pull

Therefore the number of rounds per second or minute that any semiautomatic firearm in existence can fire is completely dependent on the speed the person can pull and release the trigger.

Are all semi-auto rifles capable of unlimited rate of fire, and only limited by how fast the trigger is pulled? Are all semi-auto rifles capable of accurate fire for extended periods of time?

ALL semiautomatics fire one round for each trigger pull. As you can see that is not an unlimited rate of fire.

Even fully automatic firearms run up against a limit and the mechanics of the automatic firing mechanism and its cycle time is what limits a fully auto firearm.

A semiautomatic is limited to how fast a person can pull the trigger.

You might be able to pull the trigger faster than me you might not. But over time people tend to fatigue therefore the max rate of trigger pull is not maintained

And in general if you are pulling the trigger as fast as you can you will have little or no accuracy

Yes, and sand can only be loaded one scoop at the time. These pictures are loading sand at the exact same rate, right?
View attachment 178841

What's loading got to do with the fact that ALL semiautomatics only fire one round per trigger pull?

To use your sandbox analogy/

Say you pour sand into a funnel that only lets one grain of sand through every time you push a button

Would that sand move though the funnel at a faster rate if the funnel was being filled with a table spoon or a gallon jug?

Come on gun nut. You know one trigger pull one fire isn't the only relevant issue. Some guns are capable of shorter time between trigger pulls than others. A real gun nut would know that.

 

[BULLDOG]

All rifles are not the same. As a gun nut, you should know that.

I never said they were.

I said ALL semiautomtic rifles of the same caliber perform exactly the same

No.

Of course they do.

If they don't why don't you tell me what the AR 15 can do that any other .223 caliber semiauto rifle can't do

Specifically designed and capable of high rate of fire for extended periods of time.

no.

My Ruger Mini 14 can fire the exact same round just as fast and for as long as any AR

And tell me how can one .223 rifle that can only fire one round per trigger pull have a higher rate of fire than another .223 rifle that can only fire one round per trigger pull

Again, you should ask the military why they think that particular gun is better for killing more people in a shorter time than other guns.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yet different guns advertise different rates of fire capabilities. Why is that?

No they don't.

Why don't you post the ads for 2 .223 semiautomatic rifles and highlight where the difference in the rates of fire are in the ads.

ALL semiautomatics fire at the same rate.

That rate is by definition one round per trigger pull.

You got credible proof that all semi-autos are capable of firing at the same rate? I would think a knowledgeable gun nut such as yourself would have that data on the tip of his tongue.

MY fucking God man

Please tell me exactly what you don't understand about the phrase

One round per trigger pull.

Semi-automatic firearm - Wikipedia

A semi-automatic firearm, or self-loading firearm, is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridgesremain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.

My fucking God gun nut.
What don't you understand about "capable of high rate of fire for extended periods"? If all rifles had equal capabilities, why do you gun nuts always argue about which one is best?

Where have I ever argued which rife is the best.

And please tell me exactly what is a high rate of fire?

And then tell me how one round per trigger pull meets that definition.

I can't help it if you are utterly incapable of understanding the basics of semiautomatic firearms even though I use the simplest language I can but until you actually educate yourself and learn about the rifles you want to argue about you are just wasting my time.

The problem is you only have gun nut knowledge. Anything that doesn't fit the rhetoric that has been tattooed on your brain doesn't exist. That's why you keep repeating that thing about one trigger pull-one shot, as if it was all you had to say to prove your point.