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$10 says that the movie has nothing about him being one of the worst Presidents who butchered the constitution
What Article in the Constitution gives any State the right to leave the Union?
You HAVE read the Bill of Rights, yes? The 9th and 10th Amendments? Of course you have, otherwise you wouldn't have so-carefully restricted your question ONLY to the "Articles of the Constitution", in an attempt to pretend that ONLY the Articles of the Constitution apply. Nice try.
Since the Articles of the Constitution exist to describe the rights and responsibilities of the federal government, not the states or the people, perhaps YOU can tell us where in the Articles of the Constitution the federal government is given the right of forcible coercion against states to keep them in the Union.
Wars would have extended throughout North America because of it, from Mexico and the Caribbean to Canada.
Yeah sure....yet somehow the entire western world, including the huge British empire, eliminated slavery without bloodshed....strange???
The Lincoln Myth is strong among the feeble minded.
Does that mean said states have no fault when they start a war like the confederates did?$10 says that the movie has nothing about him being one of the worst Presidents who butchered the constitution
What Article in the Constitution gives any State the right to leave the Union?
You HAVE read the Bill of Rights, yes? The 9th and 10th Amendments? Of course you have, otherwise you wouldn't have so-carefully restricted your question ONLY to the "Articles of the Constitution", in an attempt to pretend that ONLY the Articles of the Constitution apply. Nice try.
Since the Articles of the Constitution exist to describe the rights and responsibilities of the federal government, not the states or the people, perhaps YOU can tell us where in the Articles of the Constitution the federal government is given the right of forcible coercion against states to keep them in the Union.
Does that mean said states have no fault when they start a war like the confederates did?What Article in the Constitution gives any State the right to leave the Union?
You HAVE read the Bill of Rights, yes? The 9th and 10th Amendments? Of course you have, otherwise you wouldn't have so-carefully restricted your question ONLY to the "Articles of the Constitution", in an attempt to pretend that ONLY the Articles of the Constitution apply. Nice try.
Since the Articles of the Constitution exist to describe the rights and responsibilities of the federal government, not the states or the people, perhaps YOU can tell us where in the Articles of the Constitution the federal government is given the right of forcible coercion against states to keep them in the Union.
Wars would have extended throughout North America because of it, from Mexico and the Caribbean to Canada.
Yeah sure....yet somehow the entire western world, including the huge British empire, eliminated slavery without bloodshed....strange???
The Lincoln Myth is strong among the feeble minded.
Then the confederates states shouldnt have started a war....
Lincoln was clearly a dictator and white supremacist who prosecuted a brutal war against the principle of democracy. If you believe in democracy you must agree that any sizable region (Ireland, the Ukraine, Slovakia, Quebec) has the right to secede if they so desire. Anything else is tyranny. I hate sentimental portraits of Lincoln - he was a crooked politician whose armies tortured suspected deserters and imposed a deadly blockade which killed many Southern civilians.
Let's put myths to rest
The Mythical Lincoln
It seems like the more Americans a president kills the higher up he ranks on the list of greatest presidents.
Yeah sure....yet somehow the entire western world, including the huge British empire, eliminated slavery without bloodshed....strange???
The Lincoln Myth is strong among the feeble minded.
Then the confederates states shouldnt have started a war....
They didn't. Your beloved Dishonest Abe did. He then proceeded to cause the deaths of 800,000 Americans.
Funny how he destroyed the South just to keep it in the Union. How this could be considered admirable, I will never know.
Does that mean said states have no fault when they start a war like the confederates did?You HAVE read the Bill of Rights, yes? The 9th and 10th Amendments? Of course you have, otherwise you wouldn't have so-carefully restricted your question ONLY to the "Articles of the Constitution", in an attempt to pretend that ONLY the Articles of the Constitution apply. Nice try.
Since the Articles of the Constitution exist to describe the rights and responsibilities of the federal government, not the states or the people, perhaps YOU can tell us where in the Articles of the Constitution the federal government is given the right of forcible coercion against states to keep them in the Union.
I'm afraid I have trouble seeing "fault" in exercising one's rights, or in seeing it as "starting a war" by doing so simply because someone ELSE decides they're going to forcibly stop you from exercising those rights.
Keep in mind that, although in this day and age people believe secession to have been "settled" by the War Between the States as "not a state's right", at that time it was believed by most people to be fully and correctly within the power of the states to do. Our own Founding Fathers very much believed in the right of a people to withdraw themselves from a social and political contract they felt to be onerous, burdensome, and unfair to them. They HAD to have believed it, because that's what they did themselves in the American Revolutionary War.
Justify all you like, but when Lincoln chose to use military force to subjugate the Southern states and retain them in the Union against their will, he believed he was violating their rights, and he didn't care, because he rationalized it as "for the greater good", just like you guys are doing now. "Well, their reason for wanting to leave sucked, so it's okay that their rights were violated." Does that mean that if you don't approve of the use I put my freedom of speech to, that makes it okay for the government to censor me? Which other rights of individuals and states do you believe can be suppressed if the cause for which they're exercised doesn't meet with your approval?
(Or, How a Real Statesman Would Have Ended Slavery)
by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
"Every other country in the world got rid of slavery without a civil war . . . . How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans when the hatred lingered for 100 years."
~ Ron Paul to Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" in 2007
The new Steven Spielberg movie about Lincoln is entirely based on a fiction, to use a mild term. As longtime Ebony magazine executive editor Lerone Bennett, Jr. explained in his book, Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincolns White Dream: "There is a pleasant fiction that Lincoln . . . became a flaming advocate of the [Thirteenth] amendment and used the power of his office to buy votes to ensure its passage. There is no evidence, as David H. Donald has noted, to support that fiction". (Emphasis added).
In fact, as Bennett shows, it was the genuine abolitionists in Congress who forced Lincoln to support the Thirteenth Amendment that ended slavery, something he refused to do for fifty-four of his fifty-six years. The truth, in other words, is precisely the opposite of the story told in Spielbergs Lincoln movie, which is based on the book Team of Rivals by the confessed plagiarist/court historian Doris Kearns-Goodwin. (My LRC review of her book was entitled "A Plagiarists Contribution to Lincoln Idolatry").
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The southern rebels did.Yeah sure....yet somehow the entire western world, including the huge British empire, eliminated slavery without bloodshed....strange???
The Lincoln Myth is strong among the feeble minded.
Then the confederates states shouldnt have started a war....
They didn't. Your beloved Dishonest Abe did. He then proceeded to cause the deaths of 800,000 Americans.
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You should be happy he did. Had he not kept this Union together, you might not be here right now, spouting garbage.Funny how he destroyed the South just to keep it in the Union. How this could be considered admirable, I will never know.
The southern rebels did.Then the confederates states shouldnt have started a war....
They didn't. Your beloved Dishonest Abe did. He then proceeded to cause the deaths of 800,000 Americans.
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They did months before Lincoln even stepped into office.You should be happy he did. Had he not kept this Union together, you might not be here right now, spouting garbage.Funny how he destroyed the South just to keep it in the Union. How this could be considered admirable, I will never know.
I knew Spielberg would bastardize poor Lincoln.
I knew Spielberg would bastardize poor Lincoln.
You have to understand, Lincoln is a progressive idol. In the movie, you saw Lincoln violate law after law after law and then justifying it by saying that the ends justify the means. This is progressive philosophy 101. In essence, screw the law, just give me what I want and then screw you.
In short, the rule of law means nothing. Might makes right.
I knew Spielberg would bastardize poor Lincoln.
You have to understand, Lincoln is a progressive idol. In the movie, you saw Lincoln violate law after law after law and then justifying it by saying that the ends justify the means. This is progressive philosophy 101. In essence, screw the law, just give me what I want and then screw you.
In short, the rule of law means nothing. Might makes right.
Shame really....Lincoln used to be a Republican idol
We'll take him
Thank you kindly
You have to understand, Lincoln is a progressive idol. In the movie, you saw Lincoln violate law after law after law and then justifying it by saying that the ends justify the means. This is progressive philosophy 101. In essence, screw the law, just give me what I want and then screw you.
In short, the rule of law means nothing. Might makes right.
Shame really....Lincoln used to be a Republican idol
We'll take him
Thank you kindly
The GOP is full of progressives. Just ask ilk like John McCan't.
