Stop Blaming Israel For the Gaza War

[Indofred]

Hamas are subhumans.

I dislike comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, but it's fucking hard not to do it when you read shit like that.

 

[protectionist]

NONSENSE!! Israel is providing medical help for Palestinians in Israeli hospitals.

While they're bombing hospitals in Gaza.

Israel has helped Palestinians in other ways as well.

Like denying them freedom with the 47 year occupation and illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza.

The only ones who have a goal of the land being all theirs is Hamas.

Who stated they're willing to accept a two-state solution on the '67 borders.

This is from the Koran, and Hamas, just like al Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, and other stupid/deranged Muslim jihadists, they follow it to the letter.

Then why does Israel provide material support to ISIL, the al Qaeda affiliate in Syria, who recently claimed responsibility for the deaths of the 3 teens?

1. Any bombs hitting Gaza, from anywhere, is the work of Hamas (100%), and you are playing right into their hands by denying it.

2. They blockade because when they didn't, Hamas suicide bambers attacked them and killed them. Another thing caused by Hamas.

3. HA HA. HAmas willing to accept a 2 state solution. That's a good one.
EARTH TO BR: Ever read the Hamas Charter ?

"The Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[2] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[3][4]" Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's Article 13 of the Charter >> "There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.[20]There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

 

[protectionist]

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Hamas are subhumans.

I dislike comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, but it's fucking hard not to do it when you read shit like that.

I do NOT dislike comparing Hamas (and other Muslim Jihad lunatics) to Nazi Germany, because they are very much alike.

 

[Billo_Really]

1. Any bombs hitting Gaza, from anywhere, is the work of Hamas (100%), and you are playing right into their hands by denying it.

Any bombs hitting Gaza, is the result of Israeli war crimes.

Are you that irresponsible of a piece of shit, that you can't take ownership over the fucked things you do?

2. They blockade because when they didn't, Hamas suicide bambers attacked them and killed them. Another thing caused by Hamas.

The blockade started because the Israeli's didn't like the results of the election that put Hamas into power. It was a fair and democratic election and it's none of Israel's god-damn business who Gazans choose to represent them.

3. HA HA. HAmas willing to accept a 2 state solution. That's a good one.
EARTH TO BR: Ever read the Hamas Charter ?

"The Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[2] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[3][4]" Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's Article 13 of the Charter >> "There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.[20]There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

It's an outdated, 30 year old document that is no longer followed.

The Hamas comments I alluded to were more recent than that.


But if you're nostalgic for the old ways, be my guest...

 

[protectionist]

I agree with every word of this post except for referring to Islam as a religion. Islam is a vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior, masquerading as a religion. The world longest running (1400 year) con job.

No, Islam is a religion.

You're the vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior.

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

 

[Billo_Really]

I do NOT dislike comparing Hamas (and other Muslim Jihad lunatics) to Nazi Germany, because they are very much alike.

In what ways? Care to explain that in more detail?

 

[Billo_Really]

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

It's just a way people worship.

That's all it is.

 

[Penelope]

I'd take an 1850 map of Germany or Italy.

What was the point of that crap? There wasnt one. It's Jew haters hating, that's it. There is no genocide in Gaza. If Israel wanted them all dead they wouldnt waste ground troops to do it. They'd do what the Russians did in Grozny and just shell and bomb them house by house.

But they did shell and bomb them house by house----they just didn't finish the job.

Seriously----if everyone in Gaza is an friend of Hamas and an enemy of Israel wh ydoesn't Israel evict them ? Send them away. Why are they allowed to live close enough to Israel to hit it with any kind of rocket ?

Hopefully, that is being attended to right now by Israel, at the cost of numerous lives. Those lives should not be lost in vain. every last Hamas fighter should be killed, and the Islamist cancer group exterminated, once and for all.

And the idiots in the UN and elsewhere who have been hindering Israel in this difficult task, should be getting their faces slapped, at the very least.

Yes , well we sure know what Israel can do, but didn't see much from Hamas. Who were the killers here. Do not blame Hamas for your killing of innocents.

 

[protectionist]

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As the Rock of WWE fame would say >> "IT DOESN'T MATTER" who the hell went where, came from where, or was where.

This is not about WHERE. This war is about one thing, and one thing only >> Islamic JIHAD

And the jihadist lunatics (in this case, Hamas) are going to fight to exterminate anyone, anywhere who is not Muslim, and is located anywhere near them. PERIOD. GET IT ?

And if you don't get it, read the Hamas Charter. It's all right there, in black & white.

They want to eliminated the state of Israel. I don't have an issue with this. Israel is an apartheid state.

So you are a jihadist. You are a Muslim, and a strict follower of the Koran (book of hate), is that right ?

 

[Indeependent]

But they did shell and bomb them house by house----they just didn't finish the job.

Seriously----if everyone in Gaza is an friend of Hamas and an enemy of Israel wh ydoesn't Israel evict them ? Send them away. Why are they allowed to live close enough to Israel to hit it with any kind of rocket ?

Hopefully, that is being attended to right now by Israel, at the cost of numerous lives. Those lives should not be lost in vain. every last Hamas fighter should be killed, and the Islamist cancer group exterminated, once and for all.

And the idiots in the UN and elsewhere who have been hindering Israel in this difficult task, should be getting their faces slapped, at the very least.

Yes , well we sure know what Israel can do, but didn't see much from Hamas. Who were the killers here. Do not blame Hamas for your killing of innocents.

Hamas took a chance...bad move in retrospect.

 

[Penelope]

I agree with every word of this post except for referring to Islam as a religion. Islam is a vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior, masquerading as a religion. The world longest running (1400 year) con job.

No, Islam is a religion.

You're the vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior.

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

And Zionism is?

 

[Indeependent]

No, Islam is a religion.

You're the vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior.

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

And Zionism is?

Infrastructure.
Visit much?

 

[Sally]

But they did shell and bomb them house by house----they just didn't finish the job.

Seriously----if everyone in Gaza is an friend of Hamas and an enemy of Israel wh ydoesn't Israel evict them ? Send them away. Why are they allowed to live close enough to Israel to hit it with any kind of rocket ?

Hopefully, that is being attended to right now by Israel, at the cost of numerous lives. Those lives should not be lost in vain. every last Hamas fighter should be killed, and the Islamist cancer group exterminated, once and for all.

And the idiots in the UN and elsewhere who have been hindering Israel in this difficult task, should be getting their faces slapped, at the very least.

Yes , well we sure know what Israel can do, but didn't see much from Hamas. Who were the killers here. Do not blame Hamas for your killing of innocents.

So, Penelope, since you felt you had to crawl over to the Middle East forum, can you tell us how many innocent people your friends have murdered in the other Middle East countries just this week alone? Perhaps you, too, don't want to bring up what your friends are doing to innocent others because you can't find a way to blame the Jews for this. Strange how when people crawl over to this forum to diss the Israelis or the Jews, they never find the time to give the viewers any news that is happening in the rest of the Middle East countries even though this is the Middle East forum.

 

[protectionist]

From the OP

"Many years, ago Golda Meir engaged in hyperbolic overgeneralization when she said that peace will come 'when Palestinians love their children more than they hate Israel.'”

Golda also said there was no such thing as a Palestinian.
Does that mean only non-things love their children?
Palestinians are non-people to many Jews today.
Jews like Golda knew their goal was a simple one.
All the land between the River and the sea for Jews ALONE.
And that is the goal of Israel today.

NONSENSE!! Israel is providing medical help for Palestinians in Israeli hospitals. Israel has helped Palestinians in other ways as well. The only ones who have a goal of the land being all theirs is Hamas. This is from the Koran, and Hamas, just like al Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, and other stupid/deranged Muslim jihadists, they follow it to the letter.

You had that OP right the first time.
In 1948, 650,000 Jews inflicted their state upon 1.3 million Arabs by force of arms.
Jews have been stealing the remaining land and water of Palestine ever since.
There are currently nearly equal numbers of Jew and Arabs living there today.
Most Semites on both sides would share the resources.
Unfortunately, elites on both sides are getting rich from killing women and kids.
Jews are better at that too.

Irrelevant. Islamic jihad on the part of Hamas, is what is propelling this war, not all this mumbo-jumbo you talk about.

 

[protectionist]

No, Islam is a religion.

You're the vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior.

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

And Zionism is?

Not the TOPIC of this thread.

 

[protectionist]

But they did shell and bomb them house by house----they just didn't finish the job.

Seriously----if everyone in Gaza is an friend of Hamas and an enemy of Israel wh ydoesn't Israel evict them ? Send them away. Why are they allowed to live close enough to Israel to hit it with any kind of rocket ?

Hopefully, that is being attended to right now by Israel, at the cost of numerous lives. Those lives should not be lost in vain. every last Hamas fighter should be killed, and the Islamist cancer group exterminated, once and for all.

And the idiots in the UN and elsewhere who have been hindering Israel in this difficult task, should be getting their faces slapped, at the very least.

Yes , well we sure know what Israel can do, but didn't see much from Hamas. Who were the killers here. Do not blame Hamas for your killing of innocents.

Of course I blame Hamas. I blame them 100% for everything that is happening in this war. If they didn't make their looney jihad war against Israel, there would be peace. All the killing, all the misery is the blame of Hamas, and their imbecile/genocidal Koran.

 

[AVG-JOE]

They associate Israel with the Jewish faith. And of course the Gaza war was begun by Hamas.

I would argue the war was started in 1948 when the Zionists stole Palestinian Land, but that's neither here nor there.

Here's the REAL problem you all don't seem to get. Before this latest screwup, Hamas was already diplomatically isolated. The new military rulers in Egypt had cut them off because they were pals with Morsi. Syria wanted nothing to do with them because they were pals with ISIS. Saudi Arabia and Jordan had turned their backs on them and they were on bad terms with Fatah and the West Bank Palestinians.

Now they are the victims. And when the Zionists pull out, they'll go hat in hand to the rest of these groups, who will be forced by public opinion intheir countries to send them a shitload of money to buy new weapons and new tunnels and new buildings.

the "zionists" didn't "steal" the place where jews have lived for thousands of years.

before you can have any discussion you need to dissuade yourself of that nonsense.

in fact, the so-called palestinians were jordanian bedouins who have no claim to the land at all.

either way, it is irrelevant... there was a war and they lost.

let me know when you spend your time demanding i have my family land back in belorus or argue that persia was a homeland for many jews who were unceremoniously persecuted.

until you do those things, you need to admit that your objections have nothing to do with anyone's "right" to the land.

israel exists... it has always existed whether it was called judea, palestine (by the british occupiers) or any other name.

With all due respect, it makes no fucking difference HOW we got to the current situation...

What matters is what the middle east will look like in 5, 10, 50 and 100 years.

The indefinite blockade is no longer an option.


I hope that the Israelis use this 'opportunity' to finish the job and end the blockade.

Israel is in the driver seat. They alone will decide how this will end.

The blockade can't continue indefinitely and their choices in how it ends are three:

> Absorb the population of Gaza.

> Free the population of Gaza.

> Eliminate the population of Gaza.​

It's high time that the Israelis poop or get off the pot so history can judge them and we can move on.

Dragging it out decade after bloody decade is bullshit​

And it's not a zero sum game, just because they feel the need to start the job off with population elimination doesn't mean that it can't end with a significant number of people to absorb in to secular Israeli life or be given a state.

 

[Penelope]

I agree with every word of this post except for referring to Islam as a religion. Islam is a vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior, masquerading as a religion. The world longest running (1400 year) con job.

No, Islam is a religion.

You're the vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior.

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

You think they read the OT and Babylon Talmud and though they'd rewrite it for themselves?

 

[protectionist]

I would argue the war was started in 1948 when the Zionists stole Palestinian Land, but that's neither here nor there.

Here's the REAL problem you all don't seem to get. Before this latest screwup, Hamas was already diplomatically isolated. The new military rulers in Egypt had cut them off because they were pals with Morsi. Syria wanted nothing to do with them because they were pals with ISIS. Saudi Arabia and Jordan had turned their backs on them and they were on bad terms with Fatah and the West Bank Palestinians.

Now they are the victims. And when the Zionists pull out, they'll go hat in hand to the rest of these groups, who will be forced by public opinion intheir countries to send them a shitload of money to buy new weapons and new tunnels and new buildings.

the "zionists" didn't "steal" the place where jews have lived for thousands of years.

before you can have any discussion you need to dissuade yourself of that nonsense.

in fact, the so-called palestinians were jordanian bedouins who have no claim to the land at all.

either way, it is irrelevant... there was a war and they lost.

let me know when you spend your time demanding i have my family land back in belorus or argue that persia was a homeland for many jews who were unceremoniously persecuted.

until you do those things, you need to admit that your objections have nothing to do with anyone's "right" to the land.

israel exists... it has always existed whether it was called judea, palestine (by the british occupiers) or any other name.

With all due respect, it makes no fucking difference HOW we got to the current situation...

What matters is what the middle east will look like in 5, 10, 50 and 100 years.

The indefinite blockade is no longer an option.


I hope that the Israelis use this 'opportunity' to finish the job and end the blockade.

Israel is in the driver seat. They alone will decide how this will end.

The blockade can't continue indefinitely and their choices in how it ends are three:

> Absorb the population of Gaza.

> Free the population of Gaza.

> Eliminate the population of Gaza.​

It's high time that the Israelis poop or get off the pot so history can judge them and we can move on.

Dragging it out decade after bloody decade is bullshit​

And it's not a zero sum game, just because they feel the need to start the job off with population elimination doesn't mean that it can't end with a significant number of people to absorb in to secular Israeli life or be given a state.

It started off with a goal of "population elimination" (Hamas eliminating Israelis), and it is ending with a population elimination of Israelis eliminating Hamas. Hopefully.

 

[protectionist]

No, Islam is a religion.

You're the vile, highly immoral ideology of human behavior.

Most people around the world do not accept Islam as a religion, and some countries also reject it as such (ex. Italy). What a ludicrous notion to call Islam a religion. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam is a code of UNethics (mass genocide, severe misogyny, wife-beating, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture/mutilation, animal cruelty, etc).

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

In another thread, I listed 25 link sources, all confirming that Islam is, of course, NOT a religion.

You think they read the OT and Babylon Talmud and though they'd rewrite it for themselves?

I don't know what you're talking about.