Stop ridiculing Single Payer HC insurance...and think on your own

[nat4900]

I have seen several threads on here mocking Bernie Sanders' attempt (and now he actually has a bill in the Senate) to push for Medicare for All insurance.

The mocking that goes on is two-fold.....First, the blanket (and ignorant) conclusion that anything that smacks of socialism is automatically "bad"...............and Second, that the government CANNOT afford to insure everyone with the somewhat ill-informed mantra of "where would the money come from?"

Addressing the latter, the answer is surprisingly quite simple: The money would come from DIVERTING what we all are paying private health care insurance companies and that same (or lesser) amount would be paid to our country's treasury....Bear in mind the following facts:

• Currently, the average household expenditure on HC is over $10,000
• 55 million of our population is ALREADY on government Medicare
• Our government currently expends $60 plus BILLIONS on Medicaid
• 60% of ALL bankruptcies are due to HC
• The current cost of liability insurance for medical care is over $60 Billion per year....and a good portion of that would be eliminated if HC insurance were under the federal umbrella
• Whereas wages increased by less than 4% in the last 10 years, private HC premiums increased by 88%.
• Private HC companies'CEO's compensation is approximately $200 MILLION per year

Now, it is difficult to eradicate the right wing entrenched opinion that anything that is socialized is automatically bad......The brainwashing has been so thorough, that no amount of data as to how other countries pay less than half in their socialized medicine offerings, and that people in these other countries actually live LONGER and are healthier.

BUT, if we were to stop and open our minds to the analysis that in our country, private health care insurance is outrageously ripping us off, and that an increase in taxes from our paycheck is the SAME as sending a check to some private insurance company, THEN the Sanders' rationale is much less open to mockery.

Bottom line is this......Who would "lose" under Medicare for ALL in this nation???.....Private HC companies. AND who would win under this same plan?,,,,,,,,,ALL OF US!!!!

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[Mac1958]

It's not Medicare For All. Medicare has significant gaps in coverage that allow for dynamic free market competition and innovation.

So he's clearly misrepresenting the plan, which is pure Single Payer, right out of the gate, as are his flock.
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[Weatherman2020]

I will let a socialist debunk single payer for you then.


“You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada,”

“But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that—for example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody,” Sanders added. “Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

 

[g5000]

Private HC companies'CEO's compensation is approximately $200 MILLION per year

Socialist TardLogic™ in action.

Every CEO makes money. Therefore, the government should take over all industries.

 

[g5000]

I will let a socialist debunk single payer for you then.


“You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada,”

“But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that—for example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody,” Sanders added. “Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

That video does not debunk single payer.

 

[g5000]

It fascinates me to watch health care costs rise faster and faster the more government becomes involved in that market, and then to see liberals scream that the solution is for MORE government.

And they are actually SHOCKED when special interests capture the agencies in government which control their lives. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it for someone to capture that power.

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?


They remind me of some dumb cats I once owned.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I will let a socialist debunk single payer for you then.


“You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada,”

“But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that—for example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody,” Sanders added. “Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

That video does not debunk single payer.

Of course you don't think Bernie's statement debunks single payer. You think bankrupting America is a feature, not a bug.

 

[nat4900]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

 

[g5000]

I will let a socialist debunk single payer for you then.


“You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada,”

“But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that—for example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody,” Sanders added. “Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

That video does not debunk single payer.

Of course you don't think Bernie's statement debunks single payer. You think bankrupting America is a feature, not a bug.

I am opposed to singler payer, retard.

However, you clearly did not LISTEN to what Sanders was saying, and the video is deliberately truncated for the consumption of tards like you.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Stop ridiculing Single Payer HC insurance

At your insistence, I'll just ridicule the people shilling for it.

 

[g5000]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Yes, let's ask them how they are enjoying their rising per capita health care costs.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I will let a socialist debunk single payer for you then.


“You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada,”

“But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that—for example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody,” Sanders added. “Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

That video does not debunk single payer.

Of course you don't think Bernie's statement debunks single payer. You think bankrupting America is a feature, not a bug.

I am opposed to singler payer, retard.

However, you clearly did not LISTEN to what Sanders was saying, and the video is deliberately truncated for the consumption of tards like you.

Try reading it slowly.

“Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

 

[Mac1958]

Why is this plan being misrepresented as "Medicare for All"?

 

[g5000]

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[forkup]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Yes, let's ask them how they are enjoying their rising per capita health care costs.

You see that big red line on top. That's the US, and looking at that red line nowhere is health care costs rising faster. That rise in healthcare costs have to do with demographics way more then with single payer or privatized health insurance.

 

[g5000]

I will let a socialist debunk single payer for you then.


“You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada,”

“But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that—for example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody,” Sanders added. “Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

That video does not debunk single payer.

Of course you don't think Bernie's statement debunks single payer. You think bankrupting America is a feature, not a bug.

I am opposed to singler payer, retard.

However, you clearly did not LISTEN to what Sanders was saying, and the video is deliberately truncated for the consumption of tards like you.

Try reading it slowly.

“Give everybody a Medicaid card—we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

Listen carefully: "You want to guarantee that all people have access to health care as you do in Canada. But what I think we understand that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanisms in this country to do that, for example if we expanded Medicaid to everybody, we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that we would bankrupt the nation. Maybe you want to talk a little about that and why in Canada under their national health system you can have access for all people and yet per capita it is less expensive than the United States.

 

[Avatar4321]

Apparently unless you agree with Nat you don't think for yourself. Yet he doesn't see the paradox there.

 

[nat4900]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Yes, let's ask them how they are enjoying their rising per capita health care costs.

Sooooo, which country has the HIGHER increases?

 

[dblack]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Why wouldn't a government want to control healthcare? How better to inspire obedience?

 

[g5000]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Yes, let's ask them how they are enjoying their rising per capita health care costs.

You see that big red line on top. That's the US, and looking at that red line nowhere is health care costs rising faster. That rise in healthcare costs have to do with demographics way more then with single payer or privatized health insurance.

ObamaCare was sold to you rubes as a method to bend that curve DOWN. It was a giant con.

Single payer is also sold to the rubes as a method to bend the curve down. You can see by the example of the other countries that is also a giant lie.

And those countries are keeping their costs down by rationing.

You know what insurance has gotten a lot cheaper the last few years? Auto insurance. Even though the cost of autos has risen.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, home, and life insurance.

Right now, we are held hostage by the government and by our employers for our health insurance. We don't get to decide which health insurance we want. If you try to buy insurance as individual, the government has soaked up so much of the market, and forced employers to soak up the market, the individual pool is tiny and thus expensive.

If we were all able to buy our insurance the same way we buy our home, auto, and life insurance, we would see tremendous savings.