Stop ridiculing Single Payer HC insurance...and think on your own

[nat4900]

Liberals want us living in tiny boxes stacked on top of each other, eating government-issue seaweed.

LOL

Little Boxes by Pete Seeger

 

[nat4900]

Actually, my auto insurance is much lower than most other companies. USAA rocks.

Is this thread about auto insurance or HC one???

 

[NightFox]

Stop ridiculing Single Payer HC insurance...and think on your own

.....

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Uh-huh think on your own, unless of course you'd prefer to have left wing politicians and pundits or "ALL those European countries" do it for you.

The hypocrisy is so thick in here you couldn't cut it with a blow torch and 300 tons of TNT.

 

[BluesLegend]

All you mooching losers keep your hands off my wallet, get a job and pay for your own damn health insurance.

 

[g5000]

Liberals want us living in tiny boxes stacked on top of each other, eating government-issue seaweed.

LOL

Little Boxes by Pete Seeger

Hey. Everyone else around here builds straw men. I just wanted to see what it feels like to make one of my own.

But I'm not far off the mark. I have yet to meet a liberal who has said, "Okay, we have finally achieved the right amount of government control over our lives."

 

[Rustic]

I have seen several threads on here mocking Bernie Sanders' attempt (and now he actually has a bill in the Senate) to push for Medicare for All insurance.

The mocking that goes on is two-fold.....First, the blanket (and ignorant) conclusion that anything that smacks of socialism is automatically "bad"...............and Second, that the government CANNOT afford to insure everyone with the somewhat ill-informed mantra of "where would the money come from?"

Addressing the latter, the answer is surprisingly quite simple: The money would come from DIVERTING what we all are paying private health care insurance companies and that same (or lesser) amount would be paid to our country's treasury....Bear in mind the following facts:

• Currently, the average household expenditure on HC is over $10,000
• 55 million of our population is ALREADY on government Medicare
• Our government currently expends $60 plus BILLIONS on Medicaid
• 60% of ALL bankruptcies are due to HC
• The current cost of liability insurance for medical care is over $60 Billion per year....and a good portion of that would be eliminated if HC insurance were under the federal umbrella
• Whereas wages increased by less than 4% in the last 10 years, private HC premiums increased by 88%.
• Private HC companies'CEO's compensation is approximately $200 MILLION per year

Now, it is difficult to eradicate the right wing entrenched opinion that anything that is socialized is automatically bad......The brainwashing has been so thorough, that no amount of data as to how other countries pay less than half in their socialized medicine offerings, and that people in these other countries actually live LONGER and are healthier.

BUT, if we were to stop and open our minds to the analysis that in our country, private health care insurance is outrageously ripping us off, and that an increase in taxes from our paycheck is the SAME as sending a check to some private insurance company, THEN the Sanders' rationale is much less open to mockery.

Bottom line is this......Who would "lose" under Medicare for ALL in this nation???.....Private HC companies. AND who would win under this same plan?,,,,,,,,,ALL OF US!!!!

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Quit trying to pushing single payer on other people that want nothing to do with it, will never use it and can never afford it. Asshole

 

[BluesLegend]

Single Payer = Mooching lazy losers get free shit paid for by working Americans.

 

[forkup]

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

Yes, let's ask them how they are enjoying their rising per capita health care costs.

You see that big red line on top. That's the US, and looking at that red line nowhere is health care costs rising faster. That rise in healthcare costs have to do with demographics way more then with single payer or privatized health insurance.

ObamaCare was sold to you rubes as a method to bend that curve DOWN. It was a giant con.

Single payer is also sold to the rubes as a method to bend the curve down. You can see by the example of the other countries that is also a giant lie.

And those countries are keeping their costs down by rationing.

You know what insurance has gotten a lot cheaper the last few years? Auto insurance. Even though the cost of autos has risen.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, home, and life insurance.

Right now, we are held hostage by the government and by our employers for our health insurance. We don't get to decide which health insurance we want. If you try to buy insurance as individual, the government has soaked up so much of the market, and forced employers to soak up the market, the individual pool is tiny and thus expensive.

If we were all able to buy our insurance the same way we buy our home, auto, and life insurance, we would see tremendous savings.

Nothing has been sold to me since I'm European. Why looking at your graph don't you ask yourself the question why the US is so much more expensive?

The US is more expensive because we have a slapdash Rube Goldberg health care system which is the worst of all possible worlds. It is neither universal nor privatized.

We need to tear the entire structure down and make it more like our home, auto, and life insurance markets.

The government has fucked it all up.

Not for nothing you are kind of proving this OP. You put up a graph showing healthcare costs are way higher than those in single payer nations. But when asked to look at that fact, instead of making the logical conclusion that single payer countries are cheaper, you jump to. The government has fucked the system up. Look my wife is American, I'm Belgian. I have friends and family living in the US. I'm speaking from personal experience, single payer works better than for profit healthcare. Please take of your partisan right wing goggles and look at the data.

 

[nat4900]

But I'm not far off the mark. I have yet to meet a liberal who has said, "Okay, we have finally achieved the right amount of government control over our lives."

Speaking of....

....LOL

 

[g5000]

But I'm not far off the mark. I have yet to meet a liberal who has said, "Okay, we have finally achieved the right amount of government control over our lives."

Speaking of....

....LOL

Oh, you know a liberal who feels we have achieved just the right amount of government control over our lives?

Do tell!

 

[NightFox]

Liberals want us living in tiny boxes stacked on top of each other, eating government-issue seaweed.

LOL

Little Boxes by Pete Seeger

Hey. Everyone else around here builds straw men. I just wanted to see what it feels like to make one of my own.

Just a guess but probably exactly the same as the first 798,415 times you did it.

 

[g5000]

Liberals want us living in tiny boxes stacked on top of each other, eating government-issue seaweed.

LOL

Little Boxes by Pete Seeger

Hey. Everyone else around here builds straw men. I just wanted to see what it feels like to make one of my own.

Just a guess but probably exactly the same as the first 798,415 times you did it.

No. Just about the only time I build a straw man is when someone else has, and then I make one to show them what their's looks like.

You could be correct that I have done that 798,415 times. Pseudocons sure like their straw men around here!

 

[nat4900]

Oh, you know a liberal who feels we have achieved just the right amount of government control over our lives?

That little biased piece of rhetoric is meaningless.....I only felt that government controlled my life when I was drafted.....

 

[g5000]

Oh, you know a liberal who feels we have achieved just the right amount of government control over our lives?

That little biased piece of rhetoric is meaningless.....I only felt that government controlled my life when I was drafted.....

Oh, I see. You think government taking over your health care is not government controlling your life.

This is fascinating!

How are you able to compartmentalize your brain in such a way as to be that deluded?

Don't get me wrong. I see this same phenomenon in pseudocons every day. It's just a different flavor. Like defending racist Democrat Confederate statues.

But no one has ever taken the time to explain to me how they became so schizophrenic.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I have seen several threads on here mocking Bernie Sanders' attempt (and now he actually has a bill in the Senate) to push for Medicare for All insurance.

The mocking that goes on is two-fold.....First, the blanket (and ignorant) conclusion that anything that smacks of socialism is automatically "bad"...............and Second, that the government CANNOT afford to insure everyone with the somewhat ill-informed mantra of "where would the money come from?"

Addressing the latter, the answer is surprisingly quite simple: The money would come from DIVERTING what we all are paying private health care insurance companies and that same (or lesser) amount would be paid to our country's treasury....Bear in mind the following facts:

• Currently, the average household expenditure on HC is over $10,000
• 55 million of our population is ALREADY on government Medicare
• Our government currently expends $60 plus BILLIONS on Medicaid
• 60% of ALL bankruptcies are due to HC
• The current cost of liability insurance for medical care is over $60 Billion per year....and a good portion of that would be eliminated if HC insurance were under the federal umbrella
• Whereas wages increased by less than 4% in the last 10 years, private HC premiums increased by 88%.
• Private HC companies'CEO's compensation is approximately $200 MILLION per year

Now, it is difficult to eradicate the right wing entrenched opinion that anything that is socialized is automatically bad......The brainwashing has been so thorough, that no amount of data as to how other countries pay less than half in their socialized medicine offerings, and that people in these other countries actually live LONGER and are healthier.

BUT, if we were to stop and open our minds to the analysis that in our country, private health care insurance is outrageously ripping us off, and that an increase in taxes from our paycheck is the SAME as sending a check to some private insurance company, THEN the Sanders' rationale is much less open to mockery.

Bottom line is this......Who would "lose" under Medicare for ALL in this nation???.....Private HC companies. AND who would win under this same plan?,,,,,,,,,ALL OF US!!!!

How Much Money Do Insurance Companies Make? A Primer - The ...
18 Ridiculous Statistics About The Health Care Industry That Will ...
Private Health Insurance Premiums and Federal Policy ...

This sure is a bunch of gibberish that doesn't amount to an ant turd. Our govt is continually screwing things up. Why in the hell would you entrust them with more. Its just astounding as to how much faith you put in a govt that would have made the crown blush.

 

[Pop23]

How can you look yourself in the mirror each day?

Continually having your hand out begging for free stuff.

I guess if you're raised that way? I was raised to work for what I want and need.

Guess that's the difference between us. One does, the other begs.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Life expectancy has 2 important factors: Lifestyle & genetics.

Ahhhh, moron...but NOT health care delivery??? Ask a woman who needs a Cesarean delivery if "lifestyle" and "genetics" are the only factors in life expectancy.

A c-section gone wrong has nothing to do withe life expectancy rate of a nation. Look a the average American, they're overweight, don't exercise and probably exist on KFC. Go to Europe, you're not going to see much of that.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Oh, you know a liberal who feels we have achieved just the right amount of government control over our lives?

That little biased piece of rhetoric is meaningless.....I only felt that government controlled my life when I was drafted.....

When gubmint controls your healthcare they literally control your life. If you can't see that, well, 'nuff said.

 

[forkup]

I'll give some facts about why single payer is cheaper at least in my country.
-Lets first state the obvious. If the profit motive doesn't exist there is no need to make profit. Every penny you give shareholders of hospital, health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies is a penny less to spend on the function of providing healthcare. Here we need to of course pay the pharmaceutical companies to. But price negotiations are at the country level. This gives us more leverage to get a good deal. Most hospitals and all Health insurance companies are state controlled.
-This means the administration is much simpler. Most of us have a general care practitioner, so our ER deal with actual emergencies. These doctors in general don't have secretaries because price setting is regulated, the same applies to our pharmacists, who don't need to find out what is covered because that is state controlled to. The same applies to our health insurance companies, my town population around 40000 people is served by about 20 people who have administrative functions dealing with health care. No pharmacy techs, almost no medical secretaries.
-No need for advertising health insurance, it's mandatory.
-Becoming a doctor costs you 550 euro a year, not a thousand, 5 hundred, this means no college debt, it also means doctors are cheaper because they don't have to work of this debt.
Conclusion:
Single payer is more streamlined and cheaper because a lot less money gets spent on non medical related things.

 

[Redfish]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

yes, ask them. Ask the Brits about the quality of their socialized medical care. Ask the Swedes about their 65% tax rate for all the "free" stuff. Ask any European why his/her taxes keep going up as their governments try to fend off bankruptcy.

There is not enough money in the USA to give free medical care to 330,000,000 people. Bernie's plan would cost 33 Trillion, on top of the ever increasing 20 trillion we already have in national debt.

WTF up and face reality.