Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

[Brain357]

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Here is where you really go off the deep end. As another poster has constantly said...PROVE IT! Prove that someone prevented from committing one crime will "still commit a crime that day".

Whoopsie, hoisted by your own petard yet again, swami.

See the study in the OP.

 

[Dan Daly]

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Here is where you really go off the deep end. As another poster has constantly said...PROVE IT! Prove that someone prevented from committing one crime will "still commit a crime that day".

Whoopsie, hoisted by your own petard yet again, swami.

See the study in the OP.

Sorry, no proof of your claim there...try again.

 

[Brain357]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

Nevermind...that you can't even see your own circular logic just further proves that you are beyond logic and reason.

You seem to be beyond logic and reason.

 

[Brain357]

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Here is where you really go off the deep end. As another poster has constantly said...PROVE IT! Prove that someone prevented from committing one crime will "still commit a crime that day".

Whoopsie, hoisted by your own petard yet again, swami.

See the study in the OP.

Sorry, no proof of your claim there...try again.

Yes there is actually. It is why concealed carry does not effect crime rates. Now run along.

 

[2aguy]

Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

The study published in the Journal of Criminology looked at the connection between crime rates and concealed handgun permits for each county in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Texas.

Researchers used two sources of data from 1998 to 2010: concealed handgun license information and arrest data from Uniform Crime Reports, which the FBI compiles nationwide to gauge arrests for serious crimes including homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and arson.

Overall, they found no connection between allowing concealed weapons and crime rates, which are trending downward nationwide.

“The idea that concealed handguns lead to less crime is at the center of much firearms legislation, but the science behind that conclusion has been murky,” said study lead Charles D. Phillips, an emeritus regents professor at the Texas A&M Health Science Center School of Public Health, in a statement. “The results have been so inconclusive that the National Academy of Sciences in 2004 called for a new approaches to studying the issue, which is what we’ve done with this research.”


Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

Wow…they cherry picked….John Lott looked at every county in the entire United States…nice of them to pick counties that support their conclusion…you are a joke brain….

 

[2aguy]

You almost gotta laugh. The lead researcher, Texas A&M professor Charles Phillips, claims "the science is murky and the results are inconclusive". Yet it's all the anti 2nd Amendment radicals have so they are going to ride with it and pretend it's important.

I Have to emphasize this….and thanks for pointing it out….

The lead researcher, Texas A&M professor Charles Phillips, claims "the science is murky and the results are inconclusive".


Thanks for lying…I mean trying brain….no, actually, thanks for lying again…..

 

[Brain357]

Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

The study published in the Journal of Criminology looked at the connection between crime rates and concealed handgun permits for each county in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Texas.

Researchers used two sources of data from 1998 to 2010: concealed handgun license information and arrest data from Uniform Crime Reports, which the FBI compiles nationwide to gauge arrests for serious crimes including homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and arson.

Overall, they found no connection between allowing concealed weapons and crime rates, which are trending downward nationwide.

“The idea that concealed handguns lead to less crime is at the center of much firearms legislation, but the science behind that conclusion has been murky,” said study lead Charles D. Phillips, an emeritus regents professor at the Texas A&M Health Science Center School of Public Health, in a statement. “The results have been so inconclusive that the National Academy of Sciences in 2004 called for a new approaches to studying the issue, which is what we’ve done with this research.”


Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

Wow…they cherry picked….John Lott looked at every county in the entire United States…nice of them to pick counties that support their conclusion…you are a joke brain….

Ah the disgraced lott. Why does the county matter? If concealed carry lowers crimes rates shouldnt it do that everywhere?

 

[Brain357]

You almost gotta laugh. The lead researcher, Texas A&M professor Charles Phillips, claims "the science is murky and the results are inconclusive". Yet it's all the anti 2nd Amendment radicals have so they are going to ride with it and pretend it's important.

I Have to emphasize this….and thanks for pointing it out….

The lead researcher, Texas A&M professor Charles Phillips, claims "the science is murky and the results are inconclusive".


Thanks for lying…I mean trying brain….no, actually, thanks for lying again…..

He is talking about previous studies like your boy lott.

 

[2aguy]

And about 18 other studies say the exact opposite….

Here is just one….

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An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

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Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.
Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results…..

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks

Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the
Federal ban was in effect.
These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these

 

[Dan Daly]

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Here is where you really go off the deep end. As another poster has constantly said...PROVE IT! Prove that someone prevented from committing one crime will "still commit a crime that day".

Whoopsie, hoisted by your own petard yet again, swami.

See the study in the OP.

Sorry, no proof of your claim there...try again.

Yes there is actually. It is why concealed carry does not effect crime rates. Now run along.

Then you should have no problem quoting and posting from the article the proof that "The criminal walks free. He will still commit a crime that day.", as you so ignorantly vomited, now should you?

Time to fish or cut bait, son.

 

[Brain357]

And about 18 other studies say the exact opposite….

Here is just one….

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates

An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.
Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

'And the results…..

IV. Results and Concluding Remarks

Results are presented on Table 1

. The CCW dummy variable is significant and positive, but the assault weap-
ons ban is insignificant.

Given that the average gun-
related murder rate over the period in question was
3.44, the results of the present study indicate that states
with more restrictive CCW laws had gun-related murder
rates that were 10% higher.

In addition, the Federal assault weapons ban is significant and positive, indicat-
ing that murder rates were 19.3% higher when the
Federal ban was in effect.
These results corroborate the findings of Lott and Mustard (1997). These results sug-
gest that, even after controlling for unobservable state
and year fixed effects, limiting the ability to carry con-
cealed weapons may cause murder rates to increase.
There may, however, be other explanations for these

18 studies almost all done by the same disgraced economist means very little. Even kleck says lott is a clown.

 

[Alystyr]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

Nevermind...that you can't even see your own circular logic just further proves that you are beyond logic and reason.

I think you're right Dan.
He doesn't seem to realize that dissuading a potential criminal from committing the crime(s) that could lead to a career of crimes is the best way to lower crime rates.

 

[Brain357]

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Here is where you really go off the deep end. As another poster has constantly said...PROVE IT! Prove that someone prevented from committing one crime will "still commit a crime that day".

Whoopsie, hoisted by your own petard yet again, swami.

See the study in the OP.

Sorry, no proof of your claim there...try again.

Yes there is actually. It is why concealed carry does not effect crime rates. Now run along.

Then you should have no problem quoting and posting from the article the proof that "The criminal walks free. He will still commit a crime that day.", as you so ignorantly vomited, now should you?

Time to fish or cut bait, son.

The results of the study say that. You are really quite dense.

 

[Brain357]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

Nevermind...that you can't even see your own circular logic just further proves that you are beyond logic and reason.

I think you're right Dan.
He doesn't seem to realize that dissuading a potential criminal from committing the crime(s) that could lead to a career of crimes is the best way to lower crime rates.

As the study shows, it doesn't reduce crime rates. Why would letting the criminal run free dissuade crime?

 

[Alystyr]

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

Nevermind...that you can't even see your own circular logic just further proves that you are beyond logic and reason.

I think you're right Dan.
He doesn't seem to realize that dissuading a potential criminal from committing the crime(s) that could lead to a career of crimes is the best way to lower crime rates.

As the study shows, it doesn't reduce crime rates. Why would letting the criminal run free dissuade crime?

If a potential criminal is prevented from committing a crime due to measures such as locked doors, police presence, etc., it is likely that they will continue to be dissuaded by those measures thus not adding to crime statistics.
Once a person has gotten away with a few crimes thanks to a weak punishment or a lack of preventative measures, they become more confident that they will continue to get away with it. These are the ones that add to the crime rate.

 

[Brain357]

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

Nevermind...that you can't even see your own circular logic just further proves that you are beyond logic and reason.

I think you're right Dan.
He doesn't seem to realize that dissuading a potential criminal from committing the crime(s) that could lead to a career of crimes is the best way to lower crime rates.

As the study shows, it doesn't reduce crime rates. Why would letting the criminal run free dissuade crime?

If a potential criminal is prevented from committing a crime due to measures such as locked doors, police presence, etc., it is likely that they will continue to be dissuaded by those measures thus not adding to crime statistics.
Once a person has gotten away with a few crimes thanks to a weak punishment or a lack of preventative measures, they become more confident that they will continue to get away with it. These are the ones that add to the crime rate.

The ones who would be dissuaded so easily aren't adding to the crime rate in the first place. If they didn't add to the crime rate there is nothing to subtract.

 

[Alystyr]

The ones who would be dissuaded so easily aren't adding to the crime rate in the first place.

But they would if the preventative measures weren't in place.
The reason the crime rate is going down is that those that could be dissuaded haven't been committing the crimes that they would have been had the situation been different. If a potential criminal is prevented from becoming a career criminal, all of their future crimes have been prevented as well.
The effect isn't immediately visible but it grows with time, and the results of what was done in the past are now becoming apparent.

 

[Brain357]

The ones who would be dissuaded so easily aren't adding to the crime rate in the first place.

But they would if the preventative measures weren't in place.
The reason the crime rate is going down is that those that could be dissuaded haven't been committing the crimes that they would have been had the situation been different. If a potential criminal is prevented from becoming a career criminal, all of their future crimes have been prevented as well.
The effect isn't immediately visible but it grows with time, and the results of what was done in the past are now becoming apparent.

They are dissuaded by morals and fear of being caught and punished. Concealed carry has nothing to do with that as the study shows.

 

[Alystyr]

The ones who would be dissuaded so easily aren't adding to the crime rate in the first place.

But they would if the preventative measures weren't in place.
The reason the crime rate is going down is that those that could be dissuaded haven't been committing the crimes that they would have been had the situation been different. If a potential criminal is prevented from becoming a career criminal, all of their future crimes have been prevented as well.
The effect isn't immediately visible but it grows with time, and the results of what was done in the past are now becoming apparent.

They are dissuaded by morals and fear of being caught and punished. Concealed carry has nothing to do with that as the study shows.

While the study might not show it, CC certainly does nothing to encourage a potential crime, either.
The prevalence of legal CC is directly proportional to its effectiveness. In other words, the more people that practice lawful CC, the better the chance that a potential criminal will encounter one. In this potential criminal's mind, the risk vs. reward equation tips further out of their favor as lawful CC becomes more widespread, possibly due to the fact that it takes less justification for a private citizen to permanently end a criminal's career than it would for a law enforcement officer to do so.

 

[Brain357]

The ones who would be dissuaded so easily aren't adding to the crime rate in the first place.

But they would if the preventative measures weren't in place.
The reason the crime rate is going down is that those that could be dissuaded haven't been committing the crimes that they would have been had the situation been different. If a potential criminal is prevented from becoming a career criminal, all of their future crimes have been prevented as well.
The effect isn't immediately visible but it grows with time, and the results of what was done in the past are now becoming apparent.

They are dissuaded by morals and fear of being caught and punished. Concealed carry has nothing to do with that as the study shows.

While the study might not show it, CC certainly does nothing to encourage a potential crime, either.
The prevalence of legal CC is directly proportional to its effectiveness. In other words, the more people that practice lawful CC, the better the chance that a potential criminal will encounter one. In this potential criminal's mind, the risk vs. reward equation tips further out of their favor as lawful CC becomes more widespread, possibly due to the fact that it takes less justification for a private citizen to permanently end a criminal's career than it would for a law enforcement officer to do so.

No it does not encourage crime. This study and others show it does not affect crime rates.