Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

[Brain357]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't prevent burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

 

[Dan Daly]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't prevent burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

 

[Brain357]

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't prevent burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

 

[NoNukes]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

Libtards lie. More anti gun bs from a retard.

You must be one of the scared and paranoid who thinks he needs a gun at all times.

The gun nuts are jumping and screaming, but not providing any proof.

If proving things that cannot be quantified is what you are after, prove that you are not fan of kiddie porn.

Prove that this report is not valid. Your post shows your desperation.

 

[Dan Daly]

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't prevent burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

 

[Brain357]

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

 

[Dan Daly]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

Libtards lie. More anti gun bs from a retard.

You must be one of the scared and paranoid who thinks he needs a gun at all times.

The gun nuts are jumping and screaming, but not providing any proof.

If proving things that cannot be quantified is what you are after, prove that you are not fan of kiddie porn.

Prove that this report is not valid. Your post shows your desperation.

I never said the report wasn't valid...crime rates, which the report is about, can only be made up of quantifiable evidence, while prevention isn't quantifiable in many cases...which is the point I am making and you have yet to refute...unless you think jumping up and down and holding your breath is some kind of argument.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

The fact that so many people need to defend themselves is a sign something just isn't right.

 

[Dan Daly]

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

Forget it...you obviously are too stupid to even understand basic concepts that even my 5 year old granddaughter can grasp.

 

[Dan Daly]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

 

[Brain357]

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

Forget it...you obviously are too stupid to even understand basic concepts that even my 5 year old granddaughter can grasp.

No you don't seem to understand crime. Let's use your locked car example. Suppose the criminal tries a car and moves on when it is locked. Heck lets suppose all the cars he tries are locked. Does he go home and give up his life of crime or does he just start breaking the glass to get into the car?

 

[Brain357]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

 

[Alystyr]

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

 

[Brain357]

Crime rates include attempted crime. I'm sorry you are so stupid.

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

 

[Dan Daly]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

 

[Alystyr]

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Sometimes yes, if the person is dead-set on committing a crime. Nothing would be able to change that.
What is prevented are those crimes that occur due to the spur-of-the moment decisions. It is those crimes that, if the person gets away with them undetected, give them the confidence to attempt further crimes.

 

[Brain357]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

 

[Dan Daly]

Oh my God, you really are mentally handicapped. If an "attempted" crime can be quantified, there must have been a witness or proof of the attempt. What you cannot quantify is prevention...unless you claim to be some swami that can read the minds of every human on earth and know what their actions...or non-actions were based upon.

Riddle me this, rocket surgeon, if someone tries to steal your car, but fails to do so because your doors were locked, did your locked doors prevent a crime? If there were no witnesses to the attempt and you didn't notice anything out of the normal when you returned to your car, thus no "attempt" was reported, how is it counted in "crime rates"?

Don't rush, think for a moment...or however long it takes for the light bulb to finally turn on in that empty widdle air head of yours.

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Here is where you really go off the deep end. As another poster has constantly said...PROVE IT! Prove that someone prevented from committing one crime will "still commit a crime that day".

Whoopsie, hoisted by your own petard yet again, swami.

 

[Brain357]

So nobody is there during a DGU? You must be drunk.

As the study says, concealed carry does not effect crime rates.

Then you have to logically agree that locking your doors and police visibility do not effect "crime rates".

Again, you cannot quantify prevention, but you've already established that simple truth is far beyond your mental capacity.

Like concealed carry those things just change a criminals actions, not lower crime rates.

If a potential criminal does not attempt their intended crime when they would have committed it absent the presence of "those things", then it indeed does lower crime rates.
As Dan stated, situations like this just cannot be quantified.

The criminal walks free. He will still committ a crime that day.

Sometimes yes, if the person is dead-set on committing a crime. Nothing would be able to change that.
What is prevented are those crimes that occur due to the spur-of-the moment decisions. It is those crimes that, if the person gets away with them undetected, give them the confidence to attempt further crimes.

Given the study results that must not happen in any significant numbers. Most defenses just mean there will be one more attempted crime that day. The criminal goes free.

 

[Dan Daly]

Using the OPs logic, gun laws don't have any impact on crime rates, otherwise cities like New York, Chicago and Washington DC would be pretty much crime free, right? Indeed, one might even be able to say that more gun laws INCREASE crime rates.

I think we should all agree with the OP, he's obviously the smartest feller on the planet.

Gun laws don't create criminals. Why would they effect crime rates? I guess they will lead to more jail time for some criminals lowering crime rates.

Concealed carry permits don't create criminals either..whoops.

FYI, many gun laws DO create criminals...literally overnight...of otherwise law-abiding citizens. One day the firearm they own is perfectly legal, then the next, POOF, it isn't and they are a criminal.

Neither I, nor the study claims concealed carry creates criminals. Why the whoops?

When has that happened?

Nevermind...that you can't even see your own circular logic just further proves that you are beyond logic and reason.