Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

[CrusaderFrank]

Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

The study published in the Journal of Criminology looked at the connection between crime rates and concealed handgun permits for each county in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Texas.

Researchers used two sources of data from 1998 to 2010: concealed handgun license information and arrest data from Uniform Crime Reports, which the FBI compiles nationwide to gauge arrests for serious crimes including homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and arson.

Overall, they found no connection between allowing concealed weapons and crime rates, which are trending downward nationwide.

“The idea that concealed handguns lead to less crime is at the center of much firearms legislation, but the science behind that conclusion has been murky,” said study lead Charles D. Phillips, an emeritus regents professor at the Texas A&M Health Science Center School of Public Health, in a statement. “The results have been so inconclusive that the National Academy of Sciences in 2004 called for a new approaches to studying the issue, which is what we’ve done with this research.”


Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[mudwhistle]

Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

The study published in the Journal of Criminology looked at the connection between crime rates and concealed handgun permits for each county in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Texas.

Researchers used two sources of data from 1998 to 2010: concealed handgun license information and arrest data from Uniform Crime Reports, which the FBI compiles nationwide to gauge arrests for serious crimes including homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and arson.

Overall, they found no connection between allowing concealed weapons and crime rates, which are trending downward nationwide.

“The idea that concealed handguns lead to less crime is at the center of much firearms legislation, but the science behind that conclusion has been murky,” said study lead Charles D. Phillips, an emeritus regents professor at the Texas A&M Health Science Center School of Public Health, in a statement. “The results have been so inconclusive that the National Academy of Sciences in 2004 called for a new approaches to studying the issue, which is what we’ve done with this research.”


Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

Concealed carry permits don't effect crime. Concealed weapons are just a liberal half measure to keep them from going into fits at the sight of a gun, and allow people to carry them around in public. A concealed weapon is no deterrent to crime. Wearing it out in the open acts as a better deterrent.

 

[Brain357]

Study Says Concealed Carry Permits Don't Affect Crime

The study published in the Journal of Criminology looked at the connection between crime rates and concealed handgun permits for each county in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida and Texas.

Researchers used two sources of data from 1998 to 2010: concealed handgun license information and arrest data from Uniform Crime Reports, which the FBI compiles nationwide to gauge arrests for serious crimes including homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, theft and arson.

Overall, they found no connection between allowing concealed weapons and crime rates, which are trending downward nationwide.

“The idea that concealed handguns lead to less crime is at the center of much firearms legislation, but the science behind that conclusion has been murky,” said study lead Charles D. Phillips, an emeritus regents professor at the Texas A&M Health Science Center School of Public Health, in a statement. “The results have been so inconclusive that the National Academy of Sciences in 2004 called for a new approaches to studying the issue, which is what we’ve done with this research.”


Study: Concealed Handgun Permits Don't Affect Crime Rate

What does that have to do with concealed carry not effecting crime rates?

 

[Dan Daly]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

 

[charwin95]

Concealed carry laws protect citizens. Unfortunately, it only works if you let the crooks know that you carry concealed. That is why i walk around with a sign on my chest reading, "I am a no crime zone. You can't see it, but I have a gun hidden on me." it really works! I have not been held up at the point of a gun all my life! Unfortunately, I can't enter government buildings and airports and such.....

I just exercised situational-awareness and don't put myself into positions or scenarios personal defense becomes an issue. Seems to me most CC people are total dickheads who think they're entitled to be a dick anywhere they please, and if anyone takes exception that's ok they have a gun.

I exercised the same awareness all the time but there are rare situation when you are in the wrong place at wrong time. I was rob once in 1993 near Trump Casino in Atlantic City. As I walked toward my car 2 assholes came from nowhere one flashed a gun from his waist while the other one demand my wallet and my watch. I was startled and there's no way I was able to pull my gun if I had with me. Even then I still leave my gun at home.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

They can have a million studies, I don't care, I still want the right to choose to conceal.

 

[Brain357]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

 

[Dan Daly]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't reduce burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

Yes, prevention doesn't change your statistics...but sorry son, math is something that can only be done when something is quantified...after the fact. You can't quantify prevention, shucky darn.

 

[NoNukes]

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If this is BS, show us an unbiased report from the same period refuting it.

 

[NoNukes]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

If someone stops one crime with a gun it lowers crime.

This would surely have been taken into account.

 

[Brain357]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't prevent burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

 

[Dan Daly]

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If this is BS, show us an unbiased report from the same period refuting it.

What is BS is trying to quantify the value of prevention. It's like you ninnies would rather have crimes happen, so you can quantify them into statistics, rather than not have them happen at all.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

Libtards lie. More anti gun bs from a retard.

 

[Brain357]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

If someone stops one crime with a gun it lowers crime.

This would surely have been taken into account.

What he doesn't realize is that the criminal is not stopped. Heck according to the gun nuts the crime isn't even reported. So the criminal is free to move to his next crime attempt. So crime is not lowered at all.

 

[NoNukes]

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If this is BS, show us an unbiased report from the same period refuting it.

What is BS is trying to quantify the value of prevention. It's like you ninnies would rather have crimes happen, so you can quantify them into statistics, rather than not have them happen at all.

You are desperately grasping for draws. Show us some proof.

 

[Dan Daly]

As a strong advocate of "carry however you want to carry" , all I can say is that open carry is far more likely to prevent crime than concealed carry. Concealed carry has been traditionally illegal and requiring a permit because back in the day, when open carry was common, it was thought that anyone who had to hide their firearm was sneaky and probably up to no good.

It still wouldn't lower crime rates. No criminals are killed or arrested. All it does is change what criminals do.

or don't do...like commit crimes they would otherwise have committed had they not been PREVENTED from doing so for one reason or another. Saying the carry of firearms don't reduce crime rates is like saying not locking your doors doesn't prevent burglary or theft. What are you going to suggest next, that police visibility doesn't lower crime rates?

No it doesn't stop anyone from being a criminal. Almost none are ever shot or thrown in jail. It simply changes what criminals do. If somebody is open carrying the criminal might just shoot him in the back and then take his stuff. As this study shows, carry does not effect crime rates.

Are you really this freakin stupid? "Crime rates" can only be quantified when crimes happen...you cannot quantify prevention. I apologize, I didn't realize I was conversing with a total moron. I wish you good luck in your attempts to overcome your handicap.

 

[Brain357]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

Libtards lie. More anti gun bs from a retard.

You must be one of the scared and paranoid who thinks he needs a gun at all times.

 

[NoNukes]

The gun nuts are jumping and screaming, but not providing any proof.

 

[Dan Daly]

Tell that to those who have defended themselves or their loved ones with a firearm.
The very fact that this happens daily makes his conclusion false right out of the gate.

Numbers don't lie. Fact is defenses do not happen very often, and many that do aren't lawful. Also with more concealed carry comes more armed criminals. At best more concealed carry and more armed criminals balance each other out. But many studies show it does not lower crime.

Libtards lie. More anti gun bs from a retard.

You must be one of the scared and paranoid who thinks he needs a gun at all times.

The gun nuts are jumping and screaming, but not providing any proof.

If proving things that cannot be quantified is what you are after, prove that you are not fan of kiddie porn.