SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE

[jillian]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

it is not "totalitarian", nutty steffie....

there are many countries where people are fined if they don't vote.

i know you hate the idea that you're part of a teeny tiny wackjob minority.

you should probably get over it and go back to collecting your government checks.

It's the government using the threat of force to make people vote if that's not totalitarianism I don't know what is

What do you think will happen if you don't vote and refuse to pay the fine?

Your paycheck will be garnished your bank accounts seized and you'll have armed thugs breaking down your door sooner or later

ANd then there's the simple fact that absofuckinglutely no politician in the past 10 election cycles has been worth voting for

I refuse to vote for someone I think is a fucking idiot just because his or her name is on a ballot

a fine is not "force".

i'm pretty sure they won't "seize your bank account" if you don't pay the fine. i'd think they'd do the same thing that happens when you don't pay a parking ticket.

if you don't vote, you really have no right to complain.

like i said... if you choose not to, i have no problem with you having to pay a small fine.

 

[SwimExpert]

It's the government using the threat of force to make people vote if that's not totalitarianism I don't know what is

After all, when you're forced to vote between two choices, how far away are you from being forced to vote between one choice?

 

[Skull Pilot]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

it is not "totalitarian", nutty steffie....

there are many countries where people are fined if they don't vote.

i know you hate the idea that you're part of a teeny tiny wackjob minority.

you should probably get over it and go back to collecting your government checks.

It's the government using the threat of force to make people vote if that's not totalitarianism I don't know what is

What do you think will happen if you don't vote and refuse to pay the fine?

Your paycheck will be garnished your bank accounts seized and you'll have armed thugs breaking down your door sooner or later

ANd then there's the simple fact that absofuckinglutely no politician in the past 10 election cycles has been worth voting for

I refuse to vote for someone I think is a fucking idiot just because his or her name is on a ballot

a fine is not "force".

i'm pretty sure they won't "seize your bank account" if you don't pay the fine. i'd think they'd do the same thing that happens when you don't pay a parking ticket.

if you don't vote, you really have no right to complain.

like i said... if you choose not to, i have no problem with you having to pay a small fine.

That may be true on a state level but the feds are not so forgiving when you owe them money now are they?

I have a problem with the fucking government forcing people to do anything

 

[SwimExpert]

There would be no real reason or motivation to hack an election.

Except, ya know, maybe TO WIN!

And our current system? Is easier to hack, by far.

Yeah, because individually infiltrating thousands of distinct offline tabulation systems is much easier than hacking a system via cyberspace and changing out the real batch for your own.

Win what? A prison sentence? If you get caught doing that, it's a pretty serious thing. Which basically has prevented the motivation.

And it's laughable you think that.

You're entire position has already turned absurd. You say that internet voting is necessary because non-internet voting is prone to fraud or hacking. But you also say that there is no motivation to do such a thing and that therefore no hacking would ever occur with internet voting.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

There would be no real reason or motivation to hack an election.

Except, ya know, maybe TO WIN!

And our current system? Is easier to hack, by far.

Yeah, because individually infiltrating thousands of distinct offline tabulation systems is much easier than hacking a system via cyberspace and changing out the real batch for your own.

Win what? A prison sentence? If you get caught doing that, it's a pretty serious thing. Which basically has prevented the motivation.

And it's laughable you think that.

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented (Part 1) - Discover the Networks

There is a law against selling cocaine, too, yet lots of people seem to do it.

A lot more, in fact, get prosecuted for it and do time for it, than for voter fraud, but it doesn't stop folks from selling cocaine.

By contrast, FEWER people get caught trying to steal elections. Yet the fact that it is illegal is somehow "good enough" in the case of voter fraud?

WTF is the logic in modern American liberal thinking? Aside from none at all, that is.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nobody is going to be forced to vote.

If you like your plan, you can keep it!

If you like your doctor, you can keep him or her.

Your healthcare premiums will go down $2500 per year.

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky!

Etc.

 

[g5000]

a fine is not "force".

It most certainly is.

It is the seizing of property against your will.

 

[boilermaker55]

Stupid post.
As opposed to your kind that want only a select few...the white privileged to vote.
Say it out loud.....Jim Crowe.

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

 

[g5000]

Let's put compulsory voting up for a vote...

 

[SwimExpert]

Fining someone for not voting amounts to a fine for the way they voted. And that, therefore, amounts to a poll tax.

Welcome back, Mr. Crow.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

 

[g5000]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

Australia is more free than we are. Just ask the Cato Institute.

 

[Sallow]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

That's a nice white supremacist in your avatar.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

I posted that link earlier.

I see Singapore is on that list. Libertarians consistently rate Singapore year after year as the most free country on Earth.

Oh, look. The Heritage Foundation ranks Singapore as the second most free country on Earth.

Australia also has compulsory voting. The libertarian CATO Institute ranks Australia as the fourth most free country on Earth, ahead of the US!

CATO puts us at number 7.

Australia has gun control. That ranks them dead last in my book, tied with all other countries with gun control.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

That's a nice white supremacist in your avatar.

Are you referring to me? If you are, hang up and dial again. You have a wrong number!

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Australia is also legally very PC. That is antithetical to freedom.

HATE Speech laws, for example, tend to be pretty anti liberty and freedom laws.

You and I may not like the speech of some bigot motherfucker (like Jamie Foxx perhaps?) but we don't approve of "laws" to silence them.

 

[Sallow]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

That's a nice white supremacist in your avatar.

Are you referring to me? If you are, hang up and dial again. You have a wrong number!

What wrong number?

John Wayne was a white supremacist and proud of it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Voting in this country is a right of a person to know the rules and have your ID...

Sieg Heil!

^ Another absolutely retarded rejoinder.

YOU for example DO have a right to vote (unless you are convicted of a felony or happen to be a minor or not a citizen). But it is YOUR responsibility to have appropriate evidence at the polling place that you ARE a citizen or a resident of that community. it is YOUR responsibility to figure out where YOUR polling place is.

You have a RIGHT to vote, but you also have a right to be an ignorant dumb ass -- and if you do not bother going to the polling place for your district or if you have no way to verify that you ARE the person we call g5000, then how would the volunteer at the polling station know whether or not YOU are that person?

Why is it in ANY way "wrong" to demand enough ID to verify that? What if YOU happen to be a person (maybe an illegal alien even) who has zero right to vote in one of our elections? Why should the rest of us be compelled to tolerate such an effort to commit a criminal act?

Papers! Papers, please! Sieg Heil!

You tards have zero intelligence and limited imaginations.

Let's pretend someone showed up as me and voted. Oh noes!

That's as far as your TardLogic goes.

What never occurs to you idiots is that your master plan goes all kablooey two minutes later when I show up to vote!

^ Another in a long litany of very stale, unimaginative, petty and unpersuasive rhetorical crap from a liberal.

Imagine our utter lack of surprise that a twit liberal like g.5 is using the fallacious "nazi" reference on a topic which he cannot debate it, intelligently, on the merits.

Notice the gigantic Nazi reference in the OP on which you were completely silent.

IF you actually ARE stupid enough to claim that you shouldn't be called upon to provide proper evidence that you ARE who you claim to be, then what prevents somebody else from voting in YOUR name and place, thereby either preventing YOU from voting or diluting your actual vote?

What prevents someone voting as me is me. When I show up to vote, then the fraud is immediately exposed. Which is why in-person fraud is so rare.

I splained this once to you already, retard. Why you making me repeat myself?

Voter ID has been demonstrated to be completely ineffective. In those states where Voter ID is in force, the ACTUAL types of voter fraud which occur are still occurring.

So there's a giant clue you Voter ID tards are missing.

No one has ever been able to provide a single example of actual voter fraud which could only have been stopped or prevented by Voter ID.


So the push for national identity papers must have an altogether different motive. You tards are just being fed some bullshit about voter safety to get you to go along with it.

Papers! Papers, please!

Want to commit voter fraud in a state where they don't check IDs? Check the obituaries a few days before the election. Call in to verify a dead person's polling location. Show up and vote as the deceased. Hopefully, no one will show up claiming to be the dead person unless they are another fraudulent voter too!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

That's a nice white supremacist in your avatar.

Are you referring to me? If you are, hang up and dial again. You have a wrong number!

What wrong number?

John Wayne was a white supremacist and proud of it.

You have the wrong number. Not buying your uninformed bullshit!

Stop getting your info from racist websites and maybe you will learn.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

snip:
November 3, 2015 by Aleister

If progressives get their way, you will be forced to participate in the American election process and you will like it.

Choosing to stay home on election day will no longer be an option. For people who claim to believe in choice, the left sure loves force.

Just yesterday, this was published at the liberal outlet The Atlantic:

A Feasible Roadmap to Compulsory Voting

Not enough people vote. It’s a perennial source of concern in American politics. There’s no shortage of reforms designed to address the problem, but one idea that seems particularly promising, at least in theory, is compulsory voting. It would produce much higher turnout for the obvious reason that it requires people to vote. It’s long been dismissed, though, as an impossible pipe dream, unlikely to ever happen in the United States. But if reformers were to start at the municipal level, they could set into motion forces that might lead to its nationwide adoption.

Start with some statistics: In years with presidential elections, voter turnout peaks at just above 60 percent. In off-year elections, turnout dips to 40 percent or less. In November 2014, only 36 percent of eligible voters went to the polls—the lowest share in more than 70 years. Participation this paltry calls into question the political system’s legitimacy. It also hints that election outcomes might be quite different if more people bothered to show up.

Gee. Where did they get that idea?

CNN reported in March of this year:

Obama: Maybe it’s time for mandatory voting

all of it here:
SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE - Progressives Today

Yup.

Just like these totalitarian countries.

22 countries where voting is mandatory

Which of them do you hate the most, Step?

Looks like a nice list of socialist states and dictatorships.

Australia is more free than we are. Just ask the Cato Institute.

Did you look at the list? Apparently not too closely. The items they rank often have little or nothing to do with "freedom".