SURPRISE! Totalitarian Liberals Want to Make it MANDATORY TO VOTE

[jillian]

because, you know, assuring that people vote is "totalitarianism", but telling me what i can and can't do with my body isn't???

butt backwards. seriously.

Forcing people to vote under penalty of law is totalitarianism. What's butt backwards is someone with the education you claim to have being too dimwitted to understand that.

In any case, squabbling about this is a waste of time since it will never happen as a such a mandate would be unconstitutional.

it doesn;t interfere
again, your repeating the adjective does not make it applicable.

i've pointed out why your use of the term is inappropriate.

you might disagree, but there is nothing unconstitutional about it.
it is, however, unconstitutional for the state to interfere with women's control of their own bodies within the parameters set by roe v wade as further defined in planned parenthood v casey.

that never seems to bother people on the right.

you need to choose your words more carefully. your not liking something, again, does not make it totalitarianiwm, naziism, facism, slavery, unconstitutional or anything else that you dislike. it is simply that you disagree.

but that doesn't sound as hand-wringing and drama queen, does it?

Jilly... nowhere is it written that states must fund PP... and in not funding, it doesn't interfere with a woman's ability to control their own body. That's just stupid... even for you.

where did i mention planned parenthood?

oh right... i didn't.

it is not constitutionally mandated, btw, that planned parenthood be funded. that does not mean it shouldn't be because misogynist old white men hate women.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

because, you know, assuring that people vote is "totalitarianism", but telling me what i can and can't do with my body isn't???

butt backwards. seriously.

Forcing people to vote under penalty of law is totalitarianism. What's butt backwards is someone with the education you claim to have being too dimwitted to understand that.

In any case, squabbling about this is a waste of time since it will never happen as a such a mandate would be unconstitutional.

again, your repeating the adjective does not make it applicable.

Correct, it's simply the truth.

you might disagree, but there is nothing unconstitutional about it.

It is brazenly unconstitutional as there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to force people to vote in elections.

unconstitutional like the affordable care act?

unconstitutional like marriage equality?

you guys haven't really been very good at understanding what is constitutional and what isn't.

The Obumbler Care "law" is hardly a good example of your claim, Shill. It survived some less than stellar "scrutiny" by the SCOUTS but only because the majority ABANDONED legal reasoning to reach a political resolution.

 

[jillian]

It's a wonder that demorats don't have default as demorat which the voter has to change by voting.

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i doubt it will help the wacko.

 

[jillian]

because, you know, assuring that people vote is "totalitarianism", but telling me what i can and can't do with my body isn't???

butt backwards. seriously.

Forcing people to vote under penalty of law is totalitarianism. What's butt backwards is someone with the education you claim to have being too dimwitted to understand that.

In any case, squabbling about this is a waste of time since it will never happen as a such a mandate would be unconstitutional.

again, your repeating the adjective does not make it applicable.

Correct, it's simply the truth.

you might disagree, but there is nothing unconstitutional about it.

It is brazenly unconstitutional as there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to force people to vote in elections.

unconstitutional like the affordable care act?

unconstitutional like marriage equality?

you guys haven't really been very good at understanding what is constitutional and what isn't.

The Obumbler Care "law" is hardly a good example of your claim, Shill. It survived some less than stellar "scrutiny" by the SCOUTS but only because the majority ABANDONED legal reasoning to reach a political resolution.

there isn't anything called "the obumblecare law.

and actually it is. since it's proof winger are never correct about what is constitutional.

 

[Seawytch]

A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

The proverbial "rare as hen's teeth" in-person fraud I keep pointing out.

That's FIVE times now.

One is too many...

Just don't vote for progressives, that way most problems will just go away.

We get way more absentee ballot frauds than that.

We also get poll workers committing fraud.

And Voter ID is completely ineffective against them.

States which have Voter ID laws STILL have the same voter frauds occurring.

Voter ID is a gigantic waste of taxpayer money and an unjustified intrusion on our right to vote. I don't know how anyone calling themselves a conservative could support a wasteful government program that impinges on our rights.

There is clearly an entirely different motive behind Voter ID than keeping our ballots safe. This is blazingly obvious if you have more than two brain cells.

You are being snowed.

But it looks good. "We're stopping fraud, how can you be against that!?!?"

Because it doesn't. To truly have an actual impact on voter fraud you have to spend money on personnel, training and linked statewide databases.

 

[Rustic]

A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

The proverbial "rare as hen's teeth" in-person fraud I keep pointing out.

That's FIVE times now.

One is too many...

Just don't vote for progressives, that way most problems will just go away.

We get way more absentee ballot frauds than that.

We also get poll workers committing fraud.

And Voter ID is completely ineffective against them.

States which have Voter ID laws STILL have the same voter frauds occurring.

Voter ID is a gigantic waste of taxpayer money and an unjustified intrusion on our right to vote. I don't know how anyone calling themselves a conservative could support a wasteful government program that impinges on our rights.

There is clearly an entirely different motive behind Voter ID than keeping our ballots safe. This is blazingly obvious if you have more than two brain cells.

You are being snowed.

Give everyone a visa type card for voting, kinda like insta-check for firearms purchases.
Swipe, confirm SS# and date of birth and address... Make your picks... done...

Just like a firearm purchase done in minutes...

 

[Carla_Danger]

My guess is once they get voting mandatory they will drop the voting age down to 11.

that would be next. can you Imagine having an 11 year old or even a 16 year old voting for your life's decisions?

You've got the mentality of an 8 year old, and you're voting.

 

[Rustic]

because, you know, assuring that people vote is "totalitarianism", but telling me what i can and can't do with my body isn't???

butt backwards. seriously.

Forcing people to vote under penalty of law is totalitarianism. What's butt backwards is someone with the education you claim to have being too dimwitted to understand that.

In any case, squabbling about this is a waste of time since it will never happen as a such a mandate would be unconstitutional.

again, your repeating the adjective does not make it applicable.

Correct, it's simply the truth.

you might disagree, but there is nothing unconstitutional about it.

It is brazenly unconstitutional as there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to force people to vote in elections.

unconstitutional like the affordable care act?

unconstitutional like marriage equality?

you guys haven't really been very good at understanding what is constitutional and what isn't.

The Un-affordable care act is unconstitutional... I just pay the IRS fine just like millions of others do.

 

[g5000]

No matter how many CASES of voter fraud (prosecutions) are shown to them, their knee-jerk orchestrated pre-canned talking pointless is ALWAYS the same.

That's because every case you tards point out could not be stopped or prevented by Voter ID!

EDITORIAL: Democrats deny voter fraud. Ask North Carolina - Washington Times

No one denies voter fraud occurs. That's a bullshit straw man.

What you can't seem to get nailed into your skull is that the types of fraud which occur cannot be stopped or prevented solely by Voter ID.

As for voters from North Carolina voting in other states, that is not cured by Voter ID. It is cured by properly maintaining voter registration rolls. When someone dies, they should be purged from the voter registration rolls. When someone moves, they should be purged from the voter registration rolls.

Cure the disease, not treat the symptom, tard!

Christ, when I move, I am already getting junk mail at my new address before I get there. If the fricking POST OFFICE can figure this shit out, then the voter registration process should be able to.

I kid you not, when I moved across country, I got junk mail from a local vet at my new address less than a week after I arrived. They knew what kind of dog I had. That's because the Post Office sells your name to companies which collect all your personal information. In turn, local businesses subscribe to these companies so they can send out junk mail to people who fit their business profile.

It pisses me off our federal government is involved in this massive invasion of our privacy.

Nevertheless, there is no reason such an efficient system could not be applied to our voter registration process.

Voter ID is useless at accomplishing this. Instead of wasting money on an ineffective program, we should invest in things which would actually WORK.

 

[Rustic]

Why would anyone want mandatory voting??

...seems fascist to me

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Compelling people to vote just means that the politicians will be able to manipulate the masses easier to get the outcome they want. There are a lot of people who choose to be uninvolved in the political process and lead normal lives. These people really don't care about the issues because there is nothing going on that affects them. When they get upset then they vote but why should they be forced to vote when they don't care about the issues or are grossily uninformed about the issue? This may seem like a surprise to the average fascist on this board but politics doesn't infuse itself into everyday life.

The entire idea that we can be compelled to do anything seems more like a command than anything else.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Forcing people to vote under penalty of law is totalitarianism. What's butt backwards is someone with the education you claim to have being too dimwitted to understand that.

In any case, squabbling about this is a waste of time since it will never happen as a such a mandate would be unconstitutional.

again, your repeating the adjective does not make it applicable.

Correct, it's simply the truth.

you might disagree, but there is nothing unconstitutional about it.

It is brazenly unconstitutional as there is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to force people to vote in elections.

unconstitutional like the affordable care act?

unconstitutional like marriage equality?

you guys haven't really been very good at understanding what is constitutional and what isn't.

The Obumbler Care "law" is hardly a good example of your claim, Shill. It survived some less than stellar "scrutiny" by the SCOUTS but only because the majority ABANDONED legal reasoning to reach a political resolution.

there isn't anything called "the obumblecare law.

and actually it is. since it's proof winger are never correct about what is constitutional.

You can call the inane ACA anything you wish. But it is ObumblerCare whether that is its "legal" name or not.

And a political determination by SCOTUS is absolutely NOT a good example you offer for your stupid claim that "wingers" are never correct about what is or is not Constitutional. You far left wingnuts are the ones with a propensity to make erroneous claims about the Constitution, in any case.

As you should know, and as even you SHOULD be willing to admit, the SCOTUS, itself, has been known to make a few startlingly BAD decisions about what IS or is NOT Constitutional.

 

[Rustic]

Compelling people to vote just means that the politicians will be able to manipulate the masses easier to get the outcome they want. There are a lot of people who choose to be uninvolved in the political process and lead normal lives. These people really don't care about the issues because there is nothing going on that affects them. When they get upset then they vote but why should they be forced to vote when they don't care about the issues or are grossily uninformed about the issue? This may seem like a surprise to the average fascist on this board but politics doesn't infuse itself into everyday life.

The entire idea that we can be compelled to do anything seems more like a command than anything else.

The fact that we are all forced into all these socialist entitlement programs, shows there is no freedom here.

I am pro choice in this regard

 

[Seawytch]

A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

The proverbial "rare as hen's teeth" in-person fraud I keep pointing out.

That's FIVE times now.

One is too many...

Just don't vote for progressives, that way most problems will just go away.

We get way more absentee ballot frauds than that.

We also get poll workers committing fraud.

And Voter ID is completely ineffective against them.

States which have Voter ID laws STILL have the same voter frauds occurring.

Voter ID is a gigantic waste of taxpayer money and an unjustified intrusion on our right to vote. I don't know how anyone calling themselves a conservative could support a wasteful government program that impinges on our rights.

There is clearly an entirely different motive behind Voter ID than keeping our ballots safe. This is blazingly obvious if you have more than two brain cells.

You are being snowed.

Give everyone a visa type card for voting, kinda like insta-check for firearms purchases.
Swipe, confirm SS# and date of birth and address... Make your picks... done...

Just like a firearm purchase done in minutes...

Oh, like a national ID card?

The case for a national ID card

5 Problems with National ID Cards

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Why would anyone want mandatory voting??

...seems fascist to me

Don't SAY that out loud. g.5 will cry now!

Damn.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

No matter how many CASES of voter fraud (prosecutions) are shown to them, their knee-jerk orchestrated pre-canned talking pointless is ALWAYS the same.

That's because every case you tards point out could not be stopped or prevented by Voter ID!

EDITORIAL: Democrats deny voter fraud. Ask North Carolina - Washington Times

No one denies voter fraud occurs. That's a bullshit straw man.

What you can't seem to get nailed into your skull is that the types of fraud which occur cannot be stopped or prevented solely by Voter ID.

As for voters from North Carolina voting in other states, that is not cured by Voter ID. It is cured by properly maintaining voter registration rolls. When someone dies, they should be purged from the voter registration rolls. When someone moves, they should be purged from the voter registration rolls.

Cure the disease, not treat the symptom, tard!

Christ, when I move, I am already getting junk mail at my new address before I get there. If the fricking POST OFFICE can figure this shit out, then the voter registration process should be able to.

I kid you not, when I moved across country, I got junk mail from a local vet at my new address less than a week after I arrived. They knew what kind of dog I had. That's because the Post Office sells your name to companies which collect all your personal information. In turn, local businesses subscribe to these companies so they can send out junk mail to people who fit their business profile.

It pisses me off our federal government is involved in this massive invasion of our privacy.

Nevertheless, there is no reason such an efficient system could not be applied to our voter registration process.

Voter ID is useless at accomplishing this. Instead of wasting money on an ineffective program, we should invest in things which would actually WORK.

I realize that you have a microscopic intellect, g.5 and not a shred of integrity or honesty.

Voter ID laws would absolutely prevent MAJOR kinds and numbers of voter fraud and attempted voter fraud.

I don't recall saying that a good Voter ID law would, on its own, suffice to solve all the problems. Nice attempt at strawman though.

Typical of your ilk to go that route.

A simpleton and dishonest hack, such as you, may not grasp it, so I will state it so plainly that even a sub-cretin dipshit such as you should be able to -- at long last -- grasp it:

I have not disputed that there SHOULD be other ways to prevent voter fraud IN ADDITION to VOTER ID Laws.

See how easy it is to brush aside your absurdly obvious crappy straw man arguments, you hack?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

The proverbial "rare as hen's teeth" in-person fraud I keep pointing out.

31 over a 14 year period. I think it is safe to say none of those frauds swung an election.

That's FIVE times now.

And it was a bullshit "argument" every time.

Fake numbers. Fake argument.

No surprise given that you are the one trying to share it.

Here: read. Read a LOT. TRY to be objective (for the first time in your life).

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented (Part 1) - Discover the Networks

Then click the links to the next page and the page after that.

And for GOD's sake stop trying to disseminate utter bullshit like that 31 in a billion claim.

 

[SwimExpert]

There would be no real reason or motivation to hack an election.

Except, ya know, maybe TO WIN!

And our current system? Is easier to hack, by far.

Yeah, because individually infiltrating thousands of distinct offline tabulation systems is much easier than hacking a system via cyberspace and changing out the real batch for your own.

 

[Skull Pilot]

CHIOCE is only good to a so called: progressive/lib/socialdemocrat when it comes to the killing of the unborn. other than that you WILL do as they say OR ELSE. Progressive stands for FASCIST

it is not "totalitarian", nutty steffie....

there are many countries where people are fined if they don't vote.

i know you hate the idea that you're part of a teeny tiny wackjob minority.

you should probably get over it and go back to collecting your government checks.

It's the government using the threat of force to make people vote if that's not totalitarianism I don't know what is

What do you think will happen if you don't vote and refuse to pay the fine?

Your paycheck will be garnished your bank accounts seized and you'll have armed thugs breaking down your door sooner or later

ANd then there's the simple fact that absofuckinglutely no politician in the past 10 election cycles has been worth voting for

I refuse to vote for someone I think is a fucking idiot just because his or her name is on a ballot

 

[Sallow]

There would be no real reason or motivation to hack an election.

Except, ya know, maybe TO WIN!

And our current system? Is easier to hack, by far.

Yeah, because individually infiltrating thousands of distinct offline tabulation systems is much easier than hacking a system via cyberspace and changing out the real batch for your own.

Win what? A prison sentence? If you get caught doing that, it's a pretty serious thing. Which basically has prevented the motivation.

And it's laughable you think that.