Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-relat

[2aguy]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

11 F of the 4473 form disagrees with the cousins right to process a firearm

...a form that he does not have to fill out at a gun show, because you and the NRA say that having to prove that one can legally buy a guy infringes on the rights of those who legally can buy a gun.

wrong....and you are lying again.....if he buys a gun from a licensed seller he has to fill out the form....if he buys it from an individual selling their own property from their own collection then he doesn't....and that can happen anywhere.......gun shows really get to you guys don't they........?

Yes...it does....since background checks cost money.....and people like you in the past used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests in order to keep blacks from exercising their Right to vote.......you now want to use what are essentially Poll Taxes on the Right to own guns...

If a criminal buys a gun and uses it for a crime...we can already arrest them...no more paperwork or fees are necessary to do that....

If a convicted criminal is caught with a gun, since they can't buy, own or carry one legally, we can already arrest them...no more paperwork or fees are necessary to do that......

And on top of that...and you fail to explain how this will be different.....criminals use people with clean records to buy their guns from licensed gun dealers because they can pass background checks...

So tell us genius......those same criminals can use those same people with clean records to buy guns from private sellers and pass those same background checks......

So all you have done is increase the price of exercising a Right, without actually stopping any criminal from getting a gun..

So you are no better than the democrats who used Poll Taxes to stop blacks from exercising their Right to vote....

 

[Juan de Fuca]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

Owning a gun isn't murdering a human.....murder is an illegal act no matter what you left wingers have pushed through the courts.

And don't forget....we could hold up photos of all the lives saved by guns.........according to bill clinton and his 1990s Department of Justice study on guns used in Self Defense, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives, including many mass shootings....1,500,000 times a year.

Sadly, because the guns actually saved the lives, our photos would not be so gruesome as the dismembered babies........the lives that weren't saved......

What a perverted interpretation of the actual damage that guns really do.

"Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms."

 

[2aguy]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

Owning a gun isn't murdering a human.....murder is an illegal act no matter what you left wingers have pushed through the courts.

And don't forget....we could hold up photos of all the lives saved by guns.........according to bill clinton and his 1990s Department of Justice study on guns used in Self Defense, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives, including many mass shootings....1,500,000 times a year.

Sadly, because the guns actually saved the lives, our photos would not be so gruesome as the dismembered babies........the lives that weren't saved......

What a perverted interpretation of the actual damage that guns really do.

"Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms."

Hey genius...where did you get those stats.....?

You use suicide in with illegal gun murder...so you reveal yourself to be a liar....

And according to the FBI homicide table 8, in 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders....I use them because the CDC has been compromised by an anti-gun agenda......

So with 357,000,000 guns in private hands today.......

accidental gun deaths....586 in 2015

Gun murders in 2014.... 8,124

non fatal gun accidental injury, from the CDC....15,000 I will get that number more exact in a second...

We do not have a gun problem...we have a thug problem....

90% of gun murderers have at least one felony conviction.....they are not normal people.....

70-80% of gun murder victims also have one or more felony convictions....they are not normal people ....

so out of 8,124 gun murders, about 1,642 are actual innocent people....and of those many of them are victims because they are friends and family of the felons doing the shooting or being shot at....

so again...we don't have a gun problem, we have a thug problem...and the reason we have that...is because people like you focus on normal, law abiding gun owners who own 357,000,000 guns...instead of focusing on the criminals who shoot 8,124 people.......

on top of that...Americans also use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack, to save lives and they are also stopping mass shootings.....according to bill clinton and his department of justice study.....

So with all of those actual numbers....you are wrong...

Nothing you believe about guns in the United States is true or factual......

 

[2aguy]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

Owning a gun isn't murdering a human.....murder is an illegal act no matter what you left wingers have pushed through the courts.

And don't forget....we could hold up photos of all the lives saved by guns.........according to bill clinton and his 1990s Department of Justice study on guns used in Self Defense, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives, including many mass shootings....1,500,000 times a year.

Sadly, because the guns actually saved the lives, our photos would not be so gruesome as the dismembered babies........the lives that weren't saved......

What a perverted interpretation of the actual damage that guns really do.

"Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms."

And please link to that quote.

 

[2aguy]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

Owning a gun isn't murdering a human.....murder is an illegal act no matter what you left wingers have pushed through the courts.

And don't forget....we could hold up photos of all the lives saved by guns.........according to bill clinton and his 1990s Department of Justice study on guns used in Self Defense, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives, including many mass shootings....1,500,000 times a year.

Sadly, because the guns actually saved the lives, our photos would not be so gruesome as the dismembered babies........the lives that weren't saved......

What a perverted interpretation of the actual damage that guns really do.

"Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms."

Here is actual perspective on gun use in the United States.........with actual links....

Yes....let's look at the truth...

In 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands, in 2015...there were 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Accidental gun deaths:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Accidental gun deaths 2014......586

Accidental gun deaths over time....

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505
2014...586 (37 million new guns in private hands, up from 320 million in 2013....making the new total 357 million guns)


Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013 69...in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2014....48


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Gun suicide vs. non gun suicide:

2013:

Gun Suicide: 21,175

Non gun suicide: 19,974

2014:

Gun suicide in 2014..... 21,334 (WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports)

non gun suicide in 2014...21,359 (WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports)

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Gun murder:

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

From 2014…..and I added 2011……

2006

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 and

2006 fbi table 8

Murder by firearm….

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Uniform Crime Reports - 2000

gun murder rate 1997 -2000


1997..... 10,729
1998..... 9,257
1999..... 8,480
2000..... 8,493
2001..... 8,719
2002... 9,369
2003.... 9,638
2004..... 9,385
2005.... 10,158
2006.... 10,225
2007 10,129
2008-- 9,528
2009-- 9,199
2010- 8,874
2011-- 8,653
2012-- 8,897
2013-- 8,454
2014-- 8,124

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Self defense with a gun:

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Bozo everything you wrote is a damn lie. The Center for Disease Control is not anti-NRA, the NRA is anti-CDC. It is why Congress has refused money for gun violence studies since 1995, they do what the NRA tells them to do.

Suicide by gun is a huge problem and only an idiot would leave it out of the conversation.

We have a men+violence problem and yes, that includes thugs. It also includes yahoos who go to bars get drunk and come home to pistol whip the misses. It includes blacks who assert themselves with pistols it is a problem that will not go away until we address it as such.Those are the people who don't want to be tested for a violent disposition, it is the people the NRA protects.

Every single thing you have posted is NRA propaganda, level headed people will never fall for it. You will not lead this conversation any longer you lost the high ground in Orlando. Sensible people will lead the way and no one hears a thing you say any more.

 

[2aguy]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

Owning a gun isn't murdering a human.....murder is an illegal act no matter what you left wingers have pushed through the courts.

And don't forget....we could hold up photos of all the lives saved by guns.........according to bill clinton and his 1990s Department of Justice study on guns used in Self Defense, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives, including many mass shootings....1,500,000 times a year.

Sadly, because the guns actually saved the lives, our photos would not be so gruesome as the dismembered babies........the lives that weren't saved......

What a perverted interpretation of the actual damage that guns really do.

"Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms."

And some more perspective on guns in the U.S....

Broker Version 9.4

Broker Version 9.4

2014........

so, out of 357,000,000 million guns in private hands...there was a grand total of 586 accidental gun deaths.....

and

accidental poisoning deaths......42,032

accidental car deaths.................33,736

accidental falling deaths..............31,959

accidental drowning deaths..........3,406

accidental machinery deaths............605

Accidental gun deaths.......................586



586 accidental gun deaths...of which 48 were children...with 74.2 million children in the country...........down from 69 accidental child gun deaths in 2013..........

non fatal car accident number 2014.......2,412,109 million

non fatal gun accident injuries.....

WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports
2014.......15,928
2013.......16,864
2012.......17,362
2011.......14,675
2010.......14,161
2009.......18,610
2008.......17,215
2007.......15,698
2006.......14,678
2005.......15,388
2004.......16,555
2003.......18,941
2002.......17,579
2001.......17,696
2000.......23,237

Broker Version 9.4

Accidental death by cause for 2014.....ages <1-14. ( 320 million guns in private hands in 2013) (74.2 million children 2010 census)


Accidental gun...48 ( 2013...69) ( 2012...58) ( 2011...74)
Accidental drowning...647
Accidental car deaths...1,083
Accidental falls...53
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Compared to accidental gun deaths in 2013...
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...
Broker Version 9.4

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-9 years old: 15

10-15 years old: 24

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)



2014.......

Accidental gun death: total: 48

<1.... 0

1-4.... 22

5-9.... 14

10-14.... 12

total: 48
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Accidental Drowning: Total: 647
<1.... 29

1-4.... 388

5-9.... 125

10-14.... 105

Total: 647
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Accidental car deaths: Total: 1,083

<1.... 61

1-4.... 293

5-9.... 345

10-14....384
Total: 1,083
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Accidental poisoning: Total: 68
<1.... 9

1-4.... 28

5-9.... 9

10-14.... 22

Total: 68
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Accidental Falls: Total: 53
<1.... 8

1-4.... 24

5-9....8

10-14.... 13

Total: 53

 

[2aguy]

Bozo everything you wrote is a damn lie. The Center for Disease Control is not anti-NRA, the NRA is anti-CDC. It is why Congress has refused money for gun violence studies since 1995, they do what the NRA tells them to do.

Suicide by gun is a huge problem and only an idiot would leave it out of the conversation.

We have a men+violence problem and yes, that includes thugs. It also includes yahoos who go to bars get drunk and come home to pistol whip the misses. It includes blacks who assert themselves with pistols it is a problem that will not go away until we address it as such.Those are the people who don't want to be tested for a violent disposition, it is the people the NRA protects.

Every single thing you have posted is NRA propaganda, level headed people will never fall for it. You will not lead this conversation any longer you lost the high ground in Orlando. Sensible people will lead the way and no one hears a thing you say any more.

And ....you are wrong..the CDC was not stopped from studying gun violence they were stopped from being activists against the Right to bear arms.....you have got to stop reading from anti-gun websites...they lie...

Why Congress Cut The CDC’s Gun Research Budget

Firstly, CDC was not banned from doing the research. In fact, CDC articles pertaining to firearms have held steady since the defunding, and even increased to 121 in 2013.


CDC very recently released a 16-page report that was commissioned by the city council of Wilmington, Delaware, on factors contributing to its abnormally high gun crime, and methods of prevention. The study weighed factors such as where the guns were coming from, the sex of the offenders, likeliness of committing a gun crime, and how unemployment plays a factor.

In other words it studied, the environment surrounding the crime.
This did not go over well with some in the media, who were disappointed it didn’t implicate firearms as a cause and not an effect. Kate Masters of VICE.com wrote, “If the CDC wasn’t going to consider the role of firearms in Wilmington’s gun crimes, why do the study at all?” That sounds an awful lot like, “If you have nothing bad to say about guns, then don’t say anything.”


And the truth.........

CDC Leaders Admit They Want to Ban Guns

In the late ’80s and early ’90s, the CDC was openly biased in opposing gun rights. CDC official and research head Patrick O’Carroll stated in a 1989 issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association, “We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths.” This sounds more like activist rhetoric than it does scientific research, as O’Carroll effectively set out with the goal of confirmation bias, saying “We will prove it,” and not the scientific objectiveness of asking “Does it?”

‘It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol — cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly — and banned.’

O’Carroll went on to deny he had said this, claiming he was misquoted. However, his successor and director of the CDC National Center of Injury Prevention branch Mark Rosenberg told Rolling Stone in 1993 that he “envisions a long term campaign, similar to tobacco use and auto safety, to convince Americans that guns are, first and foremost, a public health menace.”


He went on to tell theWashington Post in 1994 “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes. It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol — cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly — and banned.”

CDC leaders were not shy about their intentions of banning guns from the public. Sure enough, they acted on their desires.


In October 1993, The New England Journal of Medicine released a study funded by the CDC to the tune of $1.7 million, entitled “Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home.” The leader author was Dr. Arthur Kellermann, an epidemiologist, physician, and outspoken advocate of gun control.
In the study, Kellerman concluded that people who kept guns in their homes were 2.7 times more likely to be homicide victims as people who don’t. Major media outlets, such as the New York Times, still cite these statistics.


Unreliable Gun Research

However, the research was beyond flawed. For one, Kellermann used epidemiological methods in an attempt to investigate an issue dealing with criminology. In effect, this means he was treating gun violence the same as, say, the spread of West Nile, or bird flu.


Furthermore, the gun victims he studied were anomalies. They were selected from homicide victims living in metropolitan areas with high gun-crime statistics, which completely discounted the statistical goliath of areas where gun owners engage in little to no crime.


Other factors that lent to the study’s unreliability were: It is based entirely on people murdered in their homes, with 50 percent admitting this was the result of a “quarrel or romantic triangle,” and 30 percent said it was during a drug deal or other felonies such as rape or burglary; it made no consideration for guns used in self-defense; it provided no proof or examples that the murder weapon used in these crimes belonged to the homeowner or had been kept in that home.

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And this is a good point...

Furthermore, the gun victims he studied were anomalies. They were selected from homicide victims living in metropolitan areas with high gun-crime statistics, which completely discounted the statistical goliath of areas where gun owners engage in little to no crime.

 

[2aguy]

Bozo everything you wrote is a damn lie. The Center for Disease Control is not anti-NRA, the NRA is anti-CDC. It is why Congress has refused money for gun violence studies since 1995, they do what the NRA tells them to do.

Suicide by gun is a huge problem and only an idiot would leave it out of the conversation.

We have a men+violence problem and yes, that includes thugs. It also includes yahoos who go to bars get drunk and come home to pistol whip the misses. It includes blacks who assert themselves with pistols it is a problem that will not go away until we address it as such.Those are the people who don't want to be tested for a violent disposition, it is the people the NRA protects.

Every single thing you have posted is NRA propaganda, level headed people will never fall for it. You will not lead this conversation any longer you lost the high ground in Orlando. Sensible people will lead the way and no one hears a thing you say any more.

Not one thing I have posted is from the NRA asshole...read the links......I wish the NRA would do what I do...they would be more effective....

And no, suicide is not a gun problem......as we keep telling you morons......

Japan, China and South Korea only allow criminals and cops to have guns...they are banned for normal citizens....and their suicide rate is higher than ours.....

And...before you say suicide is an "asian thing" here are stats from our European gun grabbing countries....

World suicide rates by country

World suicide rates by country

Per 100,000


Hungary ... 21.0
Belgium .... 18.4
Finland... 16.5
France... 14.6
Poland... 13.8
Austria... 13.8
Czech Republic... 12.7
New Zealand.... 11.9
Denmark... 11.3
Sweden..............11.1
Norway...............10.9
Iceland................10.4
Germany.............10.3
Canada...............10.2

United States.......10.1

And another list....
Here Are The Countries With The Worst Suicide Rates

 

[2aguy]

Bozo everything you wrote is a damn lie. The Center for Disease Control is not anti-NRA, the NRA is anti-CDC. It is why Congress has refused money for gun violence studies since 1995, they do what the NRA tells them to do.

Suicide by gun is a huge problem and only an idiot would leave it out of the conversation.

We have a men+violence problem and yes, that includes thugs. It also includes yahoos who go to bars get drunk and come home to pistol whip the misses. It includes blacks who assert themselves with pistols it is a problem that will not go away until we address it as such.Those are the people who don't want to be tested for a violent disposition, it is the people the NRA protects.

Every single thing you have posted is NRA propaganda, level headed people will never fall for it. You will not lead this conversation any longer you lost the high ground in Orlando. Sensible people will lead the way and no one hears a thing you say any more.

You have to stop reading anti-gun sites..they lie....

Riddle me this Captain Genius...if the CDC has been stopped from doing gun research...how the fuck did they do this gun research.....check the date on the report twit....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/us/cdc-gun-violence-wilmington.html?_r=0



When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.



They were here to examine gun violence.

This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.

“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

More BS. Suicide and guns is a problem 11,000 people dead and you think you can sweep it under the door? What a load of crap. As I said before its violence and until that is addressed nothing changes.

 

[2aguy]

Bozo everything you wrote is a damn lie. The Center for Disease Control is not anti-NRA, the NRA is anti-CDC. It is why Congress has refused money for gun violence studies since 1995, they do what the NRA tells them to do.

Suicide by gun is a huge problem and only an idiot would leave it out of the conversation.

We have a men+violence problem and yes, that includes thugs. It also includes yahoos who go to bars get drunk and come home to pistol whip the misses. It includes blacks who assert themselves with pistols it is a problem that will not go away until we address it as such.Those are the people who don't want to be tested for a violent disposition, it is the people the NRA protects.

Every single thing you have posted is NRA propaganda, level headed people will never fall for it. You will not lead this conversation any longer you lost the high ground in Orlando. Sensible people will lead the way and no one hears a thing you say any more.

It includes blacks who assert themselves with pistols it is a problem that will not go away until we address it as such.Those are the people who don't want to be tested for a violent disposition, it is the people the NRA protects.

Do you think before you post....?

The NRA wants to actually stop the criminals...you morons want to stop normal people from owning guns.......

The problem with criminals and guns is that prosecutors and judges all around the country are not enforcing the laws when it comes to gun criminals...they are letting them off with light sentences to be released back on the streets...they won't even go after straw buyers because it isn't worth their time......

So do some research...you will post more itelligently....

You assholes made Orlando happen....you are the assholes who created gun free killing zones...and then.....before the bodies were cold, you waded through the blood, grabbed the nearest corpses and dragged them in front of the cameras....to try to pass 4 laws that would not have stopped the Orlando shooting...or any of the mass shootings that have happened in this country....

You assholes dragged out your laundry list of anti gun crap and stood on the dead bodies of those poor victims to pass laws that don't even address the issue you say you want to stop.....

you are the morons...you are the ones who created gun free zones...you are the ones ignoring muslim terrorism....

 

[2aguy]

More BS. Suicide and guns is a problem 11,000 people dead and you think you can sweep it under the door? What a load of crap. As I said before its violence and until that is addressed nothing changes.

No moron....it isn't a gun problem....

What part of Japan, China and South Korea having higher suicide rates and 0 access to guns won't get through you head?


And France has every single anti gun law you want and bans gun ownership for normal people......and they have a higher suicide rate than we do...

So tell me how guns are the problem with suicide? Can you do that genius?

 

[Juan de Fuca]

More BS and anti gun law screed. Look Bozo, violence is the problem, the NRA is the problem and gun ownership by the wrong people is the problem. You people allowed Orlando and San Bernardino to happen, you allowed Virginia Tech, Columbine and Sandy Hook. You have blood on your hands and you have run out of time. You lost the high ground on guns and the tide has turned, you had a chance to meet and discuss law sensibly now it will get shoved down your throat.

 

[2aguy]

More BS. Suicide and guns is a problem 11,000 people dead and you think you can sweep it under the door? What a load of crap. As I said before its violence and until that is addressed nothing changes.

As I said before its violence and until that is addressed nothing changes

Yeah moron...it is violence....but why do you morons only focus on the gun owners who aren't using guns to commit crimes and violence?

357,000,000 guns in the hands of Americans and less than 8,124 are used to commit murder...but you focus on the people who own the 356,991,876 not used to commit murder....then ignore and aid the thugs who use the guns to actually commit murder..even though they are not allowed to buy, own or carry guns......

Every law you want passed does nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters....they are 100% focused on people who do not use their guns to commit crimes.....

And then you have the balls to accuse us of not addressing the problem....you really do have a psychological issue...twit.

 

[2aguy]

More BS and anti gun law screed. Look Bozo, violence is the problem, the NRA is the problem and gun ownership by the wrong people is the problem. You people allowed Orlando and San Bernardino to happen, you allowed Virginia Tech, Columbine and Sandy Hook. You have blood on your hands and you have run out of time. You lost the high ground on guns and the tide has turned, you had a chance to meet and discuss law sensibly now it will get shoved down your throat.

No moron......you assholes created the gun free zones in Orlando and San Bernadino...not us......every one of those mass shooting sites you mentioned were gun free zones created by assholes like you with your anti-gun agenda......you are the ones getting innocent people murdered....

You don't care about the dead, you don't care about the violence....and we know this because not one of the 4 gun control proposals made by your anti-gun democrat politicians would have stopped any of the mass shootings that have happened...including Orlando........they were just on your list of things to pass when the next bodies dropped.......

The way you stop gun violence.....arrest and lock up gun criminals for 30 years....but then you assholes will bitch about racism because the majority of gun criminals are blacks and hispanics in democrat voting districts......you don't care about the black and hispanic victims of that violence.......you just want to ban guns.......

Put a 30 year sentence on gun crime....especially felons caught with illegal guns......and gun violence will dry up in this country...

 

[2aguy]

More BS and anti gun law screed. Look Bozo, violence is the problem, the NRA is the problem and gun ownership by the wrong people is the problem. You people allowed Orlando and San Bernardino to happen, you allowed Virginia Tech, Columbine and Sandy Hook. You have blood on your hands and you have run out of time. You lost the high ground on guns and the tide has turned, you had a chance to meet and discuss law sensibly now it will get shoved down your throat.

Hey genius....please...in detail...explain what the NRA does that leads to the gun violence.....

Show us what laws they oppose that would decrease gun violence in democrat voting districts.....in detail..because not one of you anti-gun nuts can do that...every single law you want is 100% directed at normal gun owners.....every single one.......and then you support democrat politicians who release violent felons in the name of Social Justice....and then these violent felons shoot poor blacks and hispanics in democrat voting districts and then you call for more gun control....and then release more violent felons....

If blood is on anyone's hands.....it is yours.....

 

[Juan de Fuca]

More BS and anti gun law screed. Look Bozo, violence is the problem, the NRA is the problem and gun ownership by the wrong people is the problem. You people allowed Orlando and San Bernardino to happen, you allowed Virginia Tech, Columbine and Sandy Hook. You have blood on your hands and you have run out of time. You lost the high ground on guns and the tide has turned, you had a chance to meet and discuss law sensibly now it will get shoved down your throat.

No moron......you assholes created the gun free zones in Orlando and San Bernadino...not us......every one of those mass shooting sites you mentioned were gun free zones created by assholes like you with your anti-gun agenda......you are the ones getting innocent people murdered....

You don't care about the dead, you don't care about the violence....and we know this because not one of the 4 gun control proposals made by your anti-gun democrat politicians would have stopped any of the mass shootings that have happened...including Orlando........they were just on your list of things to pass when the next bodies dropped.......

The way you stop gun violence.....arrest and lock up gun criminals for 30 years....but then you assholes will bitch about racism because the majority of gun criminals are blacks and hispanics in democrat voting districts......you don't care about the black and hispanic victims of that violence.......you just want to ban guns.......

Put a 30 year sentence on gun crime....especially felons caught with illegal guns......and gun violence will dry up in this country...

What a vanilla pudding response to the problem. Get it through your thick skull, violence is the problem. Terrorists with assault weapons is the problem. The NRA is the problem. Fix those and you have no problem.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

11 F of the 4473 form disagrees with the cousins right to process a firearm

...a form that he does not have to fill out at a gun show, because you and the NRA say that having to prove that one can legally buy a guy infringes on the rights of those who legally can buy a gun.

bs

the form has to be filled out from any and all FFL no matter

where they sell the gun asshole

besides that it is illegal for him to have one

 

[Juan de Fuca]

More BS and anti gun law screed. Look Bozo, violence is the problem, the NRA is the problem and gun ownership by the wrong people is the problem. You people allowed Orlando and San Bernardino to happen, you allowed Virginia Tech, Columbine and Sandy Hook. You have blood on your hands and you have run out of time. You lost the high ground on guns and the tide has turned, you had a chance to meet and discuss law sensibly now it will get shoved down your throat.

Hey genius....please...in detail...explain what the NRA does that leads to the gun violence.....

Show us what laws they oppose that would decrease gun violence in democrat voting districts.....in detail..because not one of you anti-gun nuts can do that...every single law you want is 100% directed at normal gun owners.....every single one.......and then you support democrat politicians who release violent felons in the name of Social Justice....and then these violent felons shoot poor blacks and hispanics in democrat voting districts and then you call for more gun control....and then release more violent felons....

If blood is on anyone's hands.....it is yours.....

The NRA refuses to come to the table to discuss anything, they push the more gun is better agenda and refuse to entertain any solution. Putting people in prison isn't a solution we have more people in prison than China or Russia. Addressing violence is the solution and if you are predisposed to violence you lose your guns too bad.