Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-relat

[NYcarbineer]

So, it just naturally follows that if every American was packing a gun every day, there would be virtually no gun deaths.

Rrrrrrriiiiight........

No one is claiming that.

BUt you lefties are arguing that the problem driving our high murder rate is easy availability of guns.

Switzerland proves that that is not the case.

Having to join the national guard and train for months is easy access compared to the US? Are you mad?

Are you dishonest?

Regardless of how the guns got into society, they are now there, everywhere and easily available to most of the population one way or another.


You lefties argue that the problem driving our high murder rate is easy availability of guns.

Switzerland proves that that is not the case.

What's easy about joining the military?

 

[Correll]

Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.

Works for me.

From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.

Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.

I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News

Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.

So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?

Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?

Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....

Several surrounding countries to Switzerland have more guns per capita than Switzerland. Germany had a lot more guns than Switzerland in 1939 but the Swiss kept the Germans away. Imagine that they did so with fewer guns than the Germans. The NRA would say that is impossible.

No, they would not.


Why do you post nonsense?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Singapore has very little gun crime and very little gun ownership and very strict gun laws.

So, what makes it different from all the cities with strict gun laws and lots of gun crime?

Which American city has gun laws as strict as Singapore?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Gun Ownership in Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.

Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.

Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?

And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....

So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...

What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......

Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’

And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The information that 2aguy has been posting has been devastating to your side's silly arguments.

Your content free post did NOTHING to challenge ANY of his well supported points.


Your personal attacks and silly misunderstanding of Logical Fallacies are irrelevant except as propaganda.

it does not even make for propaganda

a good laugh is more the course

 

[Correll]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

11 F of the 4473 form disagrees with the cousins right to process a firearm

Thank you very much for destroying Jon's argument.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

11 F of the 4473 form disagrees with the cousins right to process a firearm

Thank you very much for destroying Jon's argument.

my argument

--LOL

 

[Correll]

So, it just naturally follows that if every American was packing a gun every day, there would be virtually no gun deaths.

Rrrrrrriiiiight........

No one is claiming that.

BUt you lefties are arguing that the problem driving our high murder rate is easy availability of guns.

Switzerland proves that that is not the case.

Having to join the national guard and train for months is easy access compared to the US? Are you mad?

Are you dishonest?

Regardless of how the guns got into society, they are now there, everywhere and easily available to most of the population one way or another.


You lefties argue that the problem driving our high murder rate is easy availability of guns.

Switzerland proves that that is not the case.

What's easy about joining the military?

I already addressed that point above.

By ignoring my response and simply repeating your original position, you are engaged in the dishonest Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion in the propaganda form.


Your argument is invalid.


You have in effect admitted that you know that you cannot defend your argument on it's merits.

 

[Correll]

Singapore has very little gun crime and very little gun ownership and very strict gun laws.

So, what makes it different from all the cities with strict gun laws and lots of gun crime?

Which American city has gun laws as strict as Singapore?

So, are you are claiming that the reason that gun laws fail to reduce gun violence is that they are not strict enough?

And anything less that "as strict as Singapore" is doomed to failure?

 

[Correll]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

11 F of the 4473 form disagrees with the cousins right to process a firearm

Thank you very much for destroying Jon's argument.

my argument

--LOL

DAMN IT, I mean, Vandalshandle's argument.

Very early. ONly one cup of coffee so far.

That situation will improve soon.

 

[Correll]

Gun Ownership in Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.

Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.

Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?

And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....

So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...

What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......

Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’

And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.

When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....

Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.

Works for me.

From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.

Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.

I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News

Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.

So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?

Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?

Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....

Yeah, it wasn't just the guns, it was the geography that made many of Germany's weapons impotent and let's not forget the tactical insignificance of taking Switzerland.

Just the same, why is it I fully endorse Switzerland's gun laws and you don't? Why are you arguing for gun laws you wouldn't want to live by? Are you so extreme that even Switzerland's gun laws are too liberal for you?

Kind of ironic that the NRA has trained you like a seal to point your finger at Switzerland only to find out you don't really like their gun laws.

His point in showing that Switzerland has high gun ownership and low gun crime is painfully obvious.

Your Willful Obtuseness is noted. Please consider it ridiculed.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There is no way in hell that the NRA would support the US adopting Switzerland's gun laws.

Nutbags should stop trying so hard to justify their stupidity.

 

[2aguy]

Gun Ownership in Switzerland

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.

Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.

Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?

And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....

So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...

What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......

Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’

And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.

When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....

Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.

Works for me.

From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.

Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.

I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News

Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.

So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?

Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?

Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....

Yeah, it wasn't just the guns, it was the geography that made many of Germany's weapons impotent and let's not forget the tactical insignificance of taking Switzerland.

Just the same, why is it I fully endorse Switzerland's gun laws and you don't? Why are you arguing for gun laws you wouldn't want to live by? Are you so extreme that even Switzerland's gun laws are too liberal for you?

Kind of ironic that the NRA has trained you like a seal to point your finger at Switzerland only to find out you don't really like their gun laws.

See....you left wing ant-gun nuts miss the point. We aren't arguing for or against Switzerland's gun laws.....we are pointing out to you twits, that guns in the hands of normal, law abiding people does not increase the gun crime rate, gun murder rate or the overall violent crime rate......which is what you nuts believe......

And as the article you nuts posted show......gun laws do not stop mass shooters. Which is what we have told you over and over again.

In the United States we have more Americans who now own and actually carry guns.....and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate went down, not up. That is a fact.

So the entire underpinnings of your anti gun beliefs are wrong.

Allowing normal, law abiding people does not increase gun murder or violent crime....Switzerland and our country show this...

You guys are wrong on every aspect of the gun debate.

 

[2aguy]

Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.

Works for me.

From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.

Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.

I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News

Wrong.....

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.


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One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation.

Kids as young as 12 belong to gun groups in their local communities, where they learn sharpshooting.

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.

And yet, despite such easy access to pistols and rifles, “no members have ever used their guns for criminal purposes,” says Max Flueckiger, the association’s spokesperson.

Great, it's settled, Switzerland does it right.

Yeah...as that article showed...their gun laws don't stop mass shootings either. Their people just don't do mass shootings...since they have access to guns...as the article shows, yet they don't go into public places that often and shoot people......but when they do have a nut...as the article also showed...their gun laws don't stop them....since they confiscated the gunmans' guns....and he still got guns and shot up the place.....

Again...mandating that every home have a fully automatic rifle is wrong......the government can't tell us what we can have and they can't tell us what we must have...

Why is it so hard for you nut jobs to understand that simple concept....?

Yeah, Switzerland has a grown up attitude towards guns, combined with training and sound background checks helps to cultivate a maturity that doesn't take guns as light heartedly as some here do. So, I'm in full support of what Switzerland does.

Also, again, it's not required that every house have a fully automatic weapon in it, that is a flat out lie.

Asshole....we have 357,000,000 guns in private hands......and of that we had a total of 586 accidental gun deaths.......do you even understand what those numbers actually mean....

They show that you are wrong.....amazingly wrong....normal, law abiding people in the United STates are responsible gun owners, as all the statistics and research show......

you anti-gun nutters have made up in your own brains that Americans are irresponsible...and that isn't the fact, the truth or reality with guns.......

What we have are generations of young males, raised in single parent, single mother homes....in our inner cities who have replaced the adult male Father with government hand outs........then you morons applied liberal doses of thug/rap culture into the mix.....and now you have young males who use illegal guns to shoot each other over facebook insults.....

Don't even try to mix normal, law abiding gun owners into the miserable stew you created in the inner cities.....that is all on you.

 

[2aguy]

Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.

Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?

And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....

So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...

What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......

Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’

And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.

When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....

From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.

Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.

I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.

Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News

Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....

The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.

Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.

So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?

Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?

Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....

Yeah, it wasn't just the guns, it was the geography that made many of Germany's weapons impotent and let's not forget the tactical insignificance of taking Switzerland.

Just the same, why is it I fully endorse Switzerland's gun laws and you don't? Why are you arguing for gun laws you wouldn't want to live by? Are you so extreme that even Switzerland's gun laws are too liberal for you?

Kind of ironic that the NRA has trained you like a seal to point to your finger at Switzerland only to find out you don't really like their gun laws.

LOL- I chuckle every time I hear this- the border between Switzerland and Germany is pretty much pancake flat.

Germany didn't invade Switzerland because
a) They had no reason to and
b) Switzerland did business with the Nazi's.

And this is not a knock on Switzerland- doing business with your nasty neighbor is better than being invaded by them.

wrong.....again...

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

 

[2aguy]

The problem in the United STates is that democrats want to ban guns while at the same time they take a relaxed attitude toward violent criminals......

Japan has banned guns for all of its normal, law abiding citizens...and anti-gun nuts think that is the reason they have low gun crime rates....

As I have pointed out....Japan has low crime of all kinds......because their culture does not support thug like behavior......even their criminal gangs, the Yakuza, prefer to make money than to have their minions out shooting each other....

However, as I have lined to in the past.....the Yakuza get guns whenever they want them....and that usually takes place during their rare gang wars...where they get guns and grenades...the last one was in 2006 and lasted 7 years....and not one Japanese gun control laws stopped them from getting guns....

They have been on the verge of another gang war....but it hasn't happened....do you know why anti-gun nuts....because Japan decided to actually target criminals with their gun control laws....

They passed a law that puts a criminal using or possessing a gun in jail for 30 years....30 years.......so now, even the Yakuza bosses won't even look at a gun.....

Before, getting caught with a gun was a few years in Japan...then the Yakuza would come out and get a bump up in the organization...now, the bosses tell the press that a 30 years sentence is essentially a life sentence....and they are not eager to touch a gun because of that...

Now, if you ant-gun nuts had even half a brain......you know that what actual 2nd Amendment supporters believe is that you have to punish actual criminals who use guns......you don't punish normal, law abiding gun owners since they aren't the ones shooting people and using guns to commit crimes....

It isn't access to guns that is the issue...it is the thug culture that isn't punished for using guns...

Your laws target normal gun owners...our laws target actual criminals....leave normal gun owners alone, stop trying to take their guns, and focus on the career criminals who are using guns for actual crimes......

We have laws that put you in jail if you use a gun to commit a crime....prosecutors and judges have to actually enforce them.

We have laws that put you in jail if you are a felon caught with an illegal gun...prosecutors and judges have to actually enforce them....

 

[2aguy]

There is no way in hell that the NRA would support the US adopting Switzerland's gun laws.

Nutbags should stop trying so hard to justify their stupidity.

No...it is your stupid gun free zones that get people killed......and your focus on normal, law abiding gun owners instead of actual criminals that is causing the gun crime in this country...

 

[Juan de Fuca]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

Yep.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.

Does he live alone?

11 F of the 4473 form disagrees with the cousins right to process a firearm

...a form that he does not have to fill out at a gun show, because you and the NRA say that having to prove that one can legally buy a guy infringes on the rights of those who legally can buy a gun.

 

[2aguy]

How about we treat every man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hr waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he's about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, an ultrasound wand up the ass. Let's close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.

Owning a gun isn't murdering a human.....murder is an illegal act no matter what you left wingers have pushed through the courts.

And don't forget....we could hold up photos of all the lives saved by guns.........according to bill clinton and his 1990s Department of Justice study on guns used in Self Defense, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives, including many mass shootings....1,500,000 times a year.

Sadly, because the guns actually saved the lives, our photos would not be so gruesome as the dismembered babies........the lives that weren't saved......