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Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.
Works for me.
From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.
Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.
I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.
Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News
Wrong.....
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
The Swiss Difference: A Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com
The authorities made one concession, though: since 2008, all military — but not private — ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in soldiers’ homes. The debate culminated in a nationwide referendum last year, when 56% of voters rejected the proposal initiated by anti-gun organizations to ban army rifles from homes altogether.
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One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation.
Kids as young as 12 belong to gun groups in their local communities, where they learn sharpshooting.
The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.
Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.
And yet, despite such easy access to pistols and rifles, “no members have ever used their guns for criminal purposes,” says Max Flueckiger, the association’s spokesperson.
Great, it's settled, Switzerland does it right.
Yeah...as that article showed...their gun laws don't stop mass shootings either. Their people just don't do mass shootings...since they have access to guns...as the article shows, yet they don't go into public places that often and shoot people......but when they do have a nut...as the article also showed...their gun laws don't stop them....since they confiscated the gunmans' guns....and he still got guns and shot up the place.....
Again...mandating that every home have a fully automatic rifle is wrong......the government can't tell us what we can have and they can't tell us what we must have...
Why is it so hard for you nut jobs to understand that simple concept....?
Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.Gun Ownership in Switzerland
The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.
Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?
And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....
So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...
What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......
And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.
When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....
Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.
Works for me.
From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.
Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.
I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.
Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News
Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....
The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.
Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.
So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?
Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?
Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....
Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.Gun Ownership in Switzerland
The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.
Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?
And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....
So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...
What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......
And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.
When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....Great, so we can all agree we need Switzerland gun laws in the United States.
Works for me.
From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.
Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.
I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.
Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News
Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....
The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.
Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.
So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?
Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?
Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....
Yeah, it wasn't just the guns, it was the geography that made many of Germany's weapons impotent and let's not forget the tactical insignificance of taking Switzerland.
Just the same, why is it I fully endorse Switzerland's gun laws and you don't? Why are you arguing for gun laws you wouldn't want to live by? Are you so extreme that even Switzerland's gun laws are too liberal for you?
Kind of ironic that the NRA has trained you like a seal to point to your finger at Switzerland only to find out you don't really like their gun laws.
Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.
Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?
And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....
So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...
What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......
And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.
When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....From what I am reading- while guns are somewhat common in Switzerland- ammo is not.
Switzerland issues guns- but not ammo- to its trained military- which is most men.
I think it is clear that the OP wants the ammo laws in the United States to be like that of Switzerland- more guns in the hands of trained military- less ammo.
Switzerland guns: Living with firearms the Swiss way - BBC News
Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....
The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.
Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.
So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?
Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?
Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....
Yeah, it wasn't just the guns, it was the geography that made many of Germany's weapons impotent and let's not forget the tactical insignificance of taking Switzerland.
Just the same, why is it I fully endorse Switzerland's gun laws and you don't? Why are you arguing for gun laws you wouldn't want to live by? Are you so extreme that even Switzerland's gun laws are too liberal for you?
Kind of ironic that the NRA has trained you like a seal to point to your finger at Switzerland only to find out you don't really like their gun laws.
LOL- I chuckle every time I hear this- the border between Switzerland and Germany is pretty much pancake flat.
Germany didn't invade Switzerland because
a) They had no reason to and
b) Switzerland did business with the Nazi's.
And this is not a knock on Switzerland- doing business with your nasty neighbor is better than being invaded by them.
So our murder rate should go down once the gangbangers are better armed, eh?
No.....putting thugs in jail when they get caught carrying a gun or using a gun for crime is how you get the murder rate to go down.....
And just a reminder......in the 1990s, 2 million people carried guns for self defense....in 2007, 4.7 million people carried guns for self defense....and the gun murder rate went down......in 2013....13 million people carried guns for self defense...and the gun murder rate went down again......
So Arming Americans 1) does not increase the gun murder rate...so you anti gun loons are wrong on that....and 2) the gun murder rate went down as more Americans carried guns for self defense....
Now if we actually put gun criminals in prison, like Japan does for 30 years...our gun crime rate will plummet even more.....The conservative propaganda on Switzerland and guns is as much myth as fact.
Wrong....name one myth genius....
That the high rate of gun ownership in Switzerland causes the low murder rate.
No. Their culture causes the low murder rate.....guns just keep people safe in high crime areas....
Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?
And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....
So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...
What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......
And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.
When I read your posts....I think they read like Kristian's posts....they make as much sense.....Military issued ammo is kept in one place......civilian ammo is still available....
The Swiss Shooting Sports Association runs about 3,000 clubs and has 150,000 members, including a youth section.
Many members keep their guns and ammunition at home, while others choose to leave them at the club.
So...tell us....if a member of one of these clubs decides to shoot up a mall, or a theater.....which Swiss gun law stops them?
Perfect, Keep endorsing Switzerland's gun laws. After all, they kept the Nazis away, amiright?
Yes.....435,000 Swiss with rifles did keep the nazis from invading...too bad the rest of Europe disarmed their law abiding citizens....had they kept their guns they wouldn't have had 6-12 million people murdered by the nazis and there is a good chance the German miltiary leadership wouldn't have supported hitler's war....
Yeah, it wasn't just the guns, it was the geography that made many of Germany's weapons impotent and let's not forget the tactical insignificance of taking Switzerland.
Just the same, why is it I fully endorse Switzerland's gun laws and you don't? Why are you arguing for gun laws you wouldn't want to live by? Are you so extreme that even Switzerland's gun laws are too liberal for you?
Kind of ironic that the NRA has trained you like a seal to point to your finger at Switzerland only to find out you don't really like their gun laws.
LOL- I chuckle every time I hear this- the border between Switzerland and Germany is pretty much pancake flat.
Germany didn't invade Switzerland because
a) They had no reason to and
b) Switzerland did business with the Nazi's.
And this is not a knock on Switzerland- doing business with your nasty neighbor is better than being invaded by them.
Didn't you know? Switzerland is the Nebraska of Europe.
But....but......but.....he used the word "fallacy".A typical hysterical scream by a typical hysterical liberal fanatic: "NO IT ISN'T!!! NO IT ISN'T!!! WAAHHHHH!""Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-relat"
This fails as a false comparison fallacy.
Switzerland can't be compared to other countries, the United States in particular.
No attempt to explain why (because he can't).
But....but......but.....he used the word "fallacy".A typical hysterical scream by a typical hysterical liberal fanatic: "NO IT ISN'T!!! NO IT ISN'T!!! WAAHHHHH!""Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-relat"
This fails as a false comparison fallacy.
Switzerland can't be compared to other countries, the United States in particular.
No attempt to explain why (because he can't).
Failed.
Here is gun laws political will justice the United States.
Huckabee and Bush ideologies with nothing gun home. Every citizen.
What in the hell is this person smoking?
Wrong. We need to somehow manage to pull the heads out of the asses of our liberals and help them see what's obvious to a blind man. No simple task!You fail period. The point is the guns aren't the problem."Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-relat"
This fails as a false comparison fallacy.
Switzerland can't be compared to other countries, the United States in particular.
Goddamn you're dumb.
Right. It's the type of weapon, the number of rounds they can shoot and the too easy access to them that is the problem.
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No, actually, it isn't...we have 8 million rifles with detachable magazines.
In 34 years how many people have those types of rifles murdered in mass shootings.... 149. In 34 years.
Knives....how many people did they murder in one year...2014..... 1,567....and every year they murder over 1,000.
Gun availability isn't the problem, as the Swiss prove....it is our thug culture that causes gun murder.....
Wrong, the common denominator for all of our gun issues is men+violence. When we learn to address that you will see a dramatic drop in the gun problem.
That makes you an enemy of the Constitution and thereby a traitor and enemy of the United States.Guns without ammo? I'll vote for that.
So, it just naturally follows that if every American was packing a gun every day, there would be virtually no gun deaths.
Rrrrrrriiiiight........
No one is claiming that.
BUt you lefties are arguing that the problem driving our high murder rate is easy availability of guns.
Switzerland proves that that is not the case.
Well, as long as you are comparing apples to oranges, I will point out that there are probably no guns in Antarctica, and no gun killings, either.
So, it just naturally follows that if every American was packing a gun every day, there would be virtually no gun deaths.
Rrrrrrriiiiight........
No one is claiming that.
BUt you lefties are arguing that the problem driving our high murder rate is easy availability of guns.
Switzerland proves that that is not the case.
Having to join the national guard and train for months is easy access compared to the US? Are you mad?
Singapore has very little gun crime and very little gun ownership and very strict gun laws.
Can we adopt their higher education standards first? And THEN the weapons thingy?
I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.
I have a retarded cousin who is 66 years old. He can't drive, but holds down a job corralling grocery carts at Winn-Dixie. He has never committed a crime, and is perfectly sane, so, in spite of his 67 point IQ he has every right to carry a gun. Fortunately for us all, he does not want one.
Does he live alone?
Given your failed, moronic positing history, you’re in no position to refer to others as ‘twit.’Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.Gun Ownership in Switzerland
The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.
Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?
And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....
So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...
What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......
And you’re just as much an ignorant putz as the OP – the thread premise in fact fails as a false comparison fallacy.
You are a good example of NRA gun culture that is hardly seen in Switzerland. The Swiss determine manhood on something other than the number of guns you own.Switzerland's gun ownership is declining. There is 25 guns per 100 people as of 2014. There are tight regulations for citizens to own guns. Former militia have to pass regulations to keep their guns; no automatic weapons.Gun Ownership in Switzerland
The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (or age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home.
I have lived in Switzerland and now I live in the USA. There is no comparison in gun cultures between the two countries. They accept and respect guns but do not have the crazed NRA mindset that they have to guns and more guns to be safe, to be a man.
Hey twit.....we have 357,000,000 guns in the United States....out of all of those privately owned guns we had 586 accidental gun deaths.......can you tell the difference between those 2 numbers?
And 90% of all of our gun murder...is committed by convicted felons....which means they cannot legally own or carry the guns they are using to commit crimes.....and 70-80% of the gun murder victims are also felons....
So no, we don't have a gun problem in the United States.......our NRA gun owners are responsible citizens who are amazingly responsible with their guns...
What we do have, however, are prosecutors and judges who do not take gun crimes seriously, and then, like you, bitch about gun crime...as they continuously let felons caught with illegal guns go free...often because they don't want to be bothered to put them away.....or they are afraid of being called racists since the majority of felons with guns are black and hispanic.......
