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Your the one swearing like a drunk and making claims that can't be backed up.
DUde.
You are being willfully obtuse.
YOu are misunderstanding the meaning of the word "average" and calling 2aguy a liar.
As it is not credible that you really don't know the meaning of the word average, you are coming across as a troll, or a huge partisan who will not admit a true that does not fit your agenda.
He is being quite generous in assuming your issue is drink or lack of sleep.
Brain suffers from a lack of reality backing up his world view....his anti gun nuttery is not supported by the real world....and like many lefties it drives him to become more emotional and irrational than they normally are........and that leads to the silly comments he keeps making about guns and their use to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.......I keep posting with him because he is like a punching bag for a boxer....just not as rational as the punching bag......
Actually the real world supports me, not you. You claim millions of DGUs. Real world 230 criminals shot in defense, 50 reported defenses each year, people who have had a defense are rare....
You claimed shooters aren't stopped by unarmed people yet it had happened twice now recently. You are not in reality.
brain.....230 criminals are killed....but on average 1.6 million are stopped or prevented from carrying out violent criminal attacks by law abiding citizens with guns......
and I never claimed people aren't stopped by unarmed people....I claim it is stupid to force them to have to because you hate guns.....and I also posted that the few you claim were great examples of why people don't need guns and just need to tackle shooters are bad examples where the people tackling the guy were just plain lucky they succeeded.......
And again....50 reported....you mean on t.v.....those are the only ones that ever happen each year, the ones on t.v........really?
15 studies say your 1.6 is wrong. Nine say it is too high. And studies aren't the real world. Try again.
Obviously. So then you admit he stopped a shooting and didn't have a gun. Good.DUde.
You are being willfully obtuse.
YOu are misunderstanding the meaning of the word "average" and calling 2aguy a liar.
As it is not credible that you really don't know the meaning of the word average, you are coming across as a troll, or a huge partisan who will not admit a true that does not fit your agenda.
He is being quite generous in assuming your issue is drink or lack of sleep.
He is saying if the teacher had a gun it would have been a defense. But since the teacher tackles him well then it doesn't count. Sorry but there is a lot of dishonesty in that. Just like him claiming to know the shooters intentions. More dishonesty.
He is saying if the teacher had a gun it would have been a defense. But since the teacher tackles him well then it doesn't count.
No brain.....I am saying it is not a defensive gun use...the teacher did not use a gun......is that what you are hung up on.......
He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
DUde.
You are being willfully obtuse.
YOu are misunderstanding the meaning of the word "average" and calling 2aguy a liar.
As it is not credible that you really don't know the meaning of the word average, you are coming across as a troll, or a huge partisan who will not admit a true that does not fit your agenda.
He is being quite generous in assuming your issue is drink or lack of sleep.
Brain suffers from a lack of reality backing up his world view....his anti gun nuttery is not supported by the real world....and like many lefties it drives him to become more emotional and irrational than they normally are........and that leads to the silly comments he keeps making about guns and their use to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.......I keep posting with him because he is like a punching bag for a boxer....just not as rational as the punching bag......
Actually the real world supports me, not you. You claim millions of DGUs. Real world 230 criminals shot in defense, 50 reported defenses each year, people who have had a defense are rare....
You claimed shooters aren't stopped by unarmed people yet it had happened twice now recently. You are not in reality.
brain.....230 criminals are killed....but on average 1.6 million are stopped or prevented from carrying out violent criminal attacks by law abiding citizens with guns......
and I never claimed people aren't stopped by unarmed people....I claim it is stupid to force them to have to because you hate guns.....and I also posted that the few you claim were great examples of why people don't need guns and just need to tackle shooters are bad examples where the people tackling the guy were just plain lucky they succeeded.......
And again....50 reported....you mean on t.v.....those are the only ones that ever happen each year, the ones on t.v........really?
15 studies say your 1.6 is wrong. Nine say it is too high. And studies aren't the real world. Try again.
They actually did research.....and Kleck improved the research methods so of course his numbers are closer to the truth.....that is why I average all of them...to get closer to what the actual number is..........considering all 16 studies were done over a 40 year period by separate researchers...........
as opposed to a number you simply made up.....
Obviously. So then you admit he stopped a shooting and didn't have a gun. Good.He is saying if the teacher had a gun it would have been a defense. But since the teacher tackles him well then it doesn't count. Sorry but there is a lot of dishonesty in that. Just like him claiming to know the shooters intentions. More dishonesty.
He is saying if the teacher had a gun it would have been a defense. But since the teacher tackles him well then it doesn't count.
No brain.....I am saying it is not a defensive gun use...the teacher did not use a gun......is that what you are hung up on.......
He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
Really brain......you must work really hard to be this silly........
Really brain......you must work really hard to be this silly........
So you think a survey is real world? They surveyed up to 5000 people and arrived at numbers far over 5000. Those they extrapolated aren't real people. Duh.
Really brain......you must work really hard to be this silly........
So you think a survey is real world? They surveyed up to 5000 people and arrived at numbers far over 5000. Those they extrapolated aren't real people. Duh.
and the survey he conducted used the 5,000 and it was the largest pool used in these studies........sort of like how they determine everything else we do........using these research methods..........
Really brain......you must work really hard to be this silly........
So you think a survey is real world? They surveyed up to 5000 people and arrived at numbers far over 5000. Those they extrapolated aren't real people. Duh.
and the survey he conducted used the 5,000 and it was the largest pool used in these studies........sort of like how they determine everything else we do........using these research methods..........
Not real world. He did not talk to 2.5 million people and confirm they had DGUs. He surveyed 5000 and had way fewer than that positives. He then extrapolated the positives. So no 2.5 are not real world. Those 2.5 million people do not exist nor have they ever.
But it works when you don't have a gat..Obviously. So then you admit he stopped a shooting and didn't have a gun. Good.He is saying if the teacher had a gun it would have been a defense. But since the teacher tackles him well then it doesn't count. Sorry but there is a lot of dishonesty in that. Just like him claiming to know the shooters intentions. More dishonesty.
He is saying if the teacher had a gun it would have been a defense. But since the teacher tackles him well then it doesn't count.
No brain.....I am saying it is not a defensive gun use...the teacher did not use a gun......is that what you are hung up on.......
He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
Really brain......you must work really hard to be this silly........
So you think a survey is real world? They surveyed up to 5000 people and arrived at numbers far over 5000. Those they extrapolated aren't real people. Duh.
and the survey he conducted used the 5,000 and it was the largest pool used in these studies........sort of like how they determine everything else we do........using these research methods..........
Not real world. He did not talk to 2.5 million people and confirm they had DGUs. He surveyed 5000 and had way fewer than that positives. He then extrapolated the positives. So no 2.5 are not real world. Those 2.5 million people do not exist nor have they ever.
Wow brain....you figured out he didn't talk to 2.5 million people all on your own.......gee....you are really smart.........just like during Presidential elections the pollsters don't call every American up and ask them how they voted.......
But it works when you don't have a gat..Obviously. So then you admit he stopped a shooting and didn't have a gun. Good.No brain.....I am saying it is not a defensive gun use...the teacher did not use a gun......is that what you are hung up on.......
He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
I know, you can't give credit, where credit is due....But it works when you don't have a gat..Obviously. So then you admit he stopped a shooting and didn't have a gun. Good.
He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
almost never......most of the time the hero gets shot and injured or killed.........
But it works when you don't have a gat..Obviously. So then you admit he stopped a shooting and didn't have a gun. Good.
He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
almost never......most of the time the hero gets shot and injured or killed.........
I know, you can't give credit, where credit is due....But it works when you don't have a gat..He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
almost never......most of the time the hero gets shot and injured or killed.........
Really brain......you must work really hard to be this silly........
So you think a survey is real world? They surveyed up to 5000 people and arrived at numbers far over 5000. Those they extrapolated aren't real people. Duh.
and the survey he conducted used the 5,000 and it was the largest pool used in these studies........sort of like how they determine everything else we do........using these research methods..........
Not real world. He did not talk to 2.5 million people and confirm they had DGUs. He surveyed 5000 and had way fewer than that positives. He then extrapolated the positives. So no 2.5 are not real world. Those 2.5 million people do not exist nor have they ever.
Wow brain....you figured out he didn't talk to 2.5 million people all on your own.......gee....you are really smart.........just like during Presidential elections the pollsters don't call every American up and ask them how they voted.......
So yes not real world. The 2.5 million people are imaginary. Now the 230 criminals killed in defense are real and have names. That is real world.
But it works when you don't have a gat..He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
almost never......most of the time the hero gets shot and injured or killed.........
Which also happens when hero is armed.
So you think a survey is real world? They surveyed up to 5000 people and arrived at numbers far over 5000. Those they extrapolated aren't real people. Duh.
and the survey he conducted used the 5,000 and it was the largest pool used in these studies........sort of like how they determine everything else we do........using these research methods..........
Not real world. He did not talk to 2.5 million people and confirm they had DGUs. He surveyed 5000 and had way fewer than that positives. He then extrapolated the positives. So no 2.5 are not real world. Those 2.5 million people do not exist nor have they ever.
Wow brain....you figured out he didn't talk to 2.5 million people all on your own.......gee....you are really smart.........just like during Presidential elections the pollsters don't call every American up and ask them how they voted.......
So yes not real world. The 2.5 million people are imaginary. Now the 230 criminals killed in defense are real and have names. That is real world.
But brain......then the only crimes that happen are ones that are reported to the police.....all the other ones don't exist and are imaginary.....dittos the women who don't report rape to the police, the rape never actually happened, they are just making it up....
not all crimes that are stopped are reported.....and not all reported crimes get counted........the FBI stats are proof of that.......
And I guess since the CDC didn't actually see all of the dead people in their statistics...those are imaginary numbers as well....
Brain...get some rest, lay off the sauce.....
But it works when you don't have a gat..Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
almost never......most of the time the hero gets shot and injured or killed.........
Which also happens when hero is armed.
But less than when they confront a violent criminal without a gun...as studies actually show....reisting with a gun is less likely to get you injured or killed than not using the gun.....
I know, you can't give credit, where credit is due....But it works when you don't have a gat..He grabbed a kid shooting a gun, yeah....but the kid wasn't trying to hit anyone.....as far as we can tell at this point from witnesses who were there......and he was lucky the kid wasn't shooting at anyone because odds are he would have been shot as he tried to tackle the kid......as happened at Luby's, Fort Hood, Sandy Hook..........
Reports are he tackled him from behind. So yes an unarmed teacher stopped a shooting.
an unarmed teacher tackled a kid shooting a gun in school.......not shooting at people......and again...the teacher was just lucky....and luck is not the best thing to use to create policy...
almost never......most of the time the hero gets shot and injured or killed.........
