Teaching Masturbation To 5-year-olds?

[ricechickie]

Apparently someone who thinks children should be taught to masturbate.

Please. I'm not even convinced that that was the idea of this proposed curriculum. But whatever, say the word "masturbate" and people get their panties in a bunch (figuratively, of course ).

Point being, it's ridiculous that you're being told on some anonymous site that you aren't qualified to do your job, and that he'd "make sure" you wouldn't do it anymore.

 

[koshergrl]

It's called "a threat".

Whether or not that was the proposed curriculum, it is without a doubt what Deltoid is promoting.

 

[koshergrl]

Apparently someone who thinks children should be taught to masturbate.

Clearly you're not an editor either. Or ya just don't bother reading my posts, or can't read very well.

I read quite well.

I've done copy editing...
and I've also tutored college English comp.

Poor delter.

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[ricechickie]

It's called "a threat".

Whether or not that was the proposed curriculum, it is without a doubt what Deltoid is promoting.

Yeah, I know he made a threat. I typed that way back.

I'm just saying let's not get hysterical over the proposed curriculum. Which was one school. Doing a survey.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that Delta is saying that children should be taught to masturbate. Just that masturbation is a normal thing. The genitals, once discovered by a child, are difficult to ignore.

Not that I'd want to discuss that with a class full of 5-year-olds.

 

[koshergrl]

Delta's posts thread after thread declaring how *normal* things like porn addiction and very young child masturbation are. This isn't his only thread, this is what these scumbags do. They seek to attach a facade of normalcy to sexual behaviors that are anything but normal, and in fact are generally exploitive.

 

[ricechickie]

Thank goodness I know of no 5-year-olds reading this board.

YOU'RE not letting 5-year-olds read this crap, are you????

 

[koshergrl]

We aren't discussing whether or not five year olds should read usmb.

We're discussing whether it's *healthy* to teach them to masturbate.

 

[koshergrl]

And delta maintains, in error, that it's quite healthy for very young children to masturbate.

He also maintains (though in a different thread) that it's *normal* to be addicted to porn, and that being addicted to porn makes a person a better person, overall.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

We aren't discussing whether or not five year olds should read usmb.

We're discussing whether it's *healthy* to teach them to masturbate.

They don't need to be taught how to masturbate as my links before illustrated, they do that just fine all by themselves. If they're going to get taught anything about it, that's it okay and natural would be it. Which it is as evidenced by how even 18 month olds do it without being taught how to wipe their ass as yet.

I'd suggest though that at 5 a kid isn't going to understand the difference between 'natural and healthy' and 'but don't do it here at school.' That'd be a confusing mixed message for such young minds I'd think.

 

[koshergrl]

Once again, nothing cries out "I've been molested" more loudly than a 5 year old who is masturbating.

 

[ricechickie]

And delta maintains, in error, that it's quite healthy for very young children to masturbate.

I'd suggest you're both right. I think it's a matter of degrees. Little kids explore their bodies. Abused children compulsively masturbate, even when told to stop.

 

[koshergrl]

Delta maintains children should be encouraged in such exploration.

I maintain that is never the role of an adult.

"Masturbation is indicative of possible sexual abuse if:....

• ...Child masturbates numerous times a day.....
• Child makes groaning or moaning sounds while masturbating.
• Child engages in thrusting motions while masturbating."

Child Sexual Abuse Intervention and Treatment Issues Indicators Of Child Sexual Abuse

 

[ricechickie]

Delta maintains children should be encouraged in such exploration.

I maintain that is never the role of an adult.

"Masturbation is indicative of possible sexual abuse if:....

• ...Child masturbates numerous times a day.....
• Child makes groaning or moaning sounds while masturbating.
• Child engages in thrusting motions while masturbating."

Child Sexual Abuse Intervention and Treatment Issues Indicators Of Child Sexual Abuse

I'm not going to speak for Delta, but again, it's a matter of degrees. A boy who decides that washing his penis is fun in the bathtub isn't necessarily showing a symptom of abuse.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

And delta maintains, in error, that it's quite healthy for very young children to masturbate.

I'd suggest you're both right. I think it's a matter of degrees. Little kids explore their bodies. Abused children compulsively masturbate, even when told to stop.

Real scientists don't make such declarative statements as with, "Abused children compulsively masturbate..." A) Not all abuse is sexual, B) Not all victims of child sexual abuse develop the same symptoms so you can say if A does B it's because of C. C) What exactly is meant by compulsive?

It's not science, it's propaganda. Before taking some religious lunatic like kosher's word on ANYTHING, please for the love of God google around for yourself. Kosher's a nutjob.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, it is propaganda.

Teaching 5 year olds that masturbation is healthy is propaganda.

Besides being sexual abuse.

 

[ricechickie]

And delta maintains, in error, that it's quite healthy for very young children to masturbate.

I'd suggest you're both right. I think it's a matter of degrees. Little kids explore their bodies. Abused children compulsively masturbate, even when told to stop.

Real scientists don't make such declarative statements as with, "Abused children compulsively masturbate..." A) Not all abuse is sexual, B) Not all victims of child sexual abuse develop the same symptoms so you can say if A does B it's because of C. C) What exactly is meant by compulsive?

It's not science, it's propaganda. Before taking some religious lunatic like kosher's word on ANYTHING, please for the love of God google around for yourself. Kosher's a nutjob.

First of all, I'm not claiming to be a real scientist, and when I made that statement, it was a generalization, not meant to include every case in history.

What I mean by "compulsive," is a child who masturbates even when told not to (like in a public place). Interestingly, the link that kosher provided listed a few more scenarios that she didn't see fit to include in her post. I think it is a much more comprehensive list.

• Masturbation is indicative of possible sexual abuse if:
  • Child masturbates to the point of injury.
  • Child masturbates numerous times a day.
  • Child cannot stop masturbating.
  • Child inserts objects into vagina or anus.
  • Child makes groaning or moaning sounds while masturbating.
  • Child engages in thrusting motions while masturbating.

 

[elektra]

We are teaching homosexuality, mine as well teach everything, besides it's not up to us, it's up to the Judges.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

And delta maintains, in error, that it's quite healthy for very young children to masturbate.

I'd suggest you're both right. I think it's a matter of degrees. Little kids explore their bodies. Abused children compulsively masturbate, even when told to stop.

Real scientists don't make such declarative statements as with, "Abused children compulsively masturbate..." A) Not all abuse is sexual, B) Not all victims of child sexual abuse develop the same symptoms so you can say if A does B it's because of C. C) What exactly is meant by compulsive?

It's not science, it's propaganda. Before taking some religious lunatic like kosher's word on ANYTHING, please for the love of God google around for yourself. Kosher's a nutjob.

First of all, I'm not claiming to be a real scientist, and when I made that statement, it was a generalization, not meant to include every case in history.

What I mean by "compulsive," is a child who masturbates even when told not to (like in a public place). Interestingly, the link that kosher provided listed a few more scenarios that she didn't see fit to include in her post. I think it is a much more comprehensive list.

• Masturbation is indicative of possible sexual abuse if:
  • Child masturbates to the point of injury.
  • Child masturbates numerous times a day.
  • Child cannot stop masturbating.
  • Child inserts objects into vagina or anus.
  • Child makes groaning or moaning sounds while masturbating.
  • Child engages in thrusting motions while masturbating.

I understood you were paraphrasing Kosher.

List above is a diagnostic. Diagnostics aren't always helpful or definitive. And that aprticular ones describes the masturbatory habits of pretty much everyone. Maybe we're all victims? Oh noes! Only two that are ones I'd use are 'to the point of injury,' or 'can't stop.' But I'd be thinking mental illness like obsessive-compulsive disorder. Perhaps caused by prior abuse but that'd come later determining that.

In any event, psychiatric diagnostics aren't a reason not to teach masturbation to children any more than teaching children not to shake hands because it spreads germs would be.

 

[ricechickie]

I understood you were paraphrasing Kosher.

List above is a diagnostic. Diagnostics aren't always helpful or definitive. And that aprticular ones describes the masturbatory habits of pretty much everyone. Maybe we're all victims? Oh noes! Only two that are ones I'd use are 'to the point of injury,' or 'can't stop.' But I'd be thinking mental illness like obsessive-compulsive disorder. Perhaps caused by prior abuse but that'd come later determining that.

In any event, psychiatric diagnostics aren't a reason not to teach masturbation to children any more than teaching children not to shake hands because it spreads germs would be.

Honestly, at that young age, I'd rather leave it to the parents.....just like I taught my kids. I didn't slap their hands away, or scold them from touching themselves, but I did tell them that it's a private thing and better done when alone.

 

[koshergrl]

Delta's working from a different perspective, ricechickie.