Teen jailed for 3 years and then released with no charges committed suicide

[Esmeralda]

Enhance the story if you want to but since you brought up the "unspeakable violence" allegedly committed by Rikers Is. Guards you need to justify the statement with indictments. Officers at Rikers Island are mostly Black with a lot of women even in a man's correctional facility. Granted the clown faces who post this stuff probably watch way too many movies depicting cruel Guards but Hollywood fiction ain't real life. Maligning employees of a facility and assuming that they are capable of "unspeakable violence" because they are Black and wear a uniform might make a good story but it is treading on racist ground. The kid was most likely placed in solitary for his own protection.Blame Bloomie's bureaucracy if you want to.

Maybe you should read the article. Your ignorance is causing you to form a lot of assumptions.

 

[ClosedCaption]

As with all rights, you can waive the right to a speedy trial, Buc is right on this one. I want to know why the defense delayed a trial.

Also, the thread title is a lie. He WAS charged with a crime, he was NOT convicted of a crime.

The difference is important because except for a few select examples of terrorists and the like it IS illegal to put someone in jail without criminal charges, on the other hand people go to jail prior to trial all the time in this country.

By the way, THIS is the family attorney, so no this kid wasn't represented by a public defender

NYC Civil Rights Criminal Defense The Prestia Law Firm

Yep. All true. ClosedCaption just wants to find corruption where there isnt any here.

A defense attorney can demand a trial within a month. Waive the prelim hearing. Waive all the other "system" nonsense. Most dont though.

Why? The more time goes by the better. The arresting officer may quit. The witnesses may die or move. Victim may decide not to pursue it. Evidence ages. All sorts of things.

In reality....prosecutors WANT to get to trial as fast as possible. Defense wants a delay.

Yes, but in most cases the defendant is out on bail I'm still looking to see why bail wasn't granted or if it was even requested

He was given a bond amount. Cant be much for a16 yr old first timer.

Family left his ass in. Supposedly couldnt raise moeny.

It was $10k but you dont know that because watching a 5 min video is too stressful or something. No his family couldnt afford it, now I guess its time for you to go on and on about how much the family sucks for not having $10K laying around to spend

Why would you lie like that?

But, because Browder was still on probation, the judge ordered him to be held and set bail at three thousand dollars.

It was $3,000 not $10,000 as you claimed and he was given bail instead of being ROI because he was ON PROBATION.

Also, a bail bondsmen will post bail if you put up 10%, that means the family only needed to come up with $300 to bail him out. Yes, I don't have much sympathy for someone for having a family who can't come up with $300 bail money to bail out their son who was already on probation.

My bad, I thought it was 10K.

But from the beginning Bucs wants to make this about me, or the family ANYTHING except the fucked up court system he was trapped in.

At least now you're reading and I admit my mistakes.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I mean STTAB comes in and says "Heres his real attorney" and Bucs goes "GULP" thanks and NEVER tries to find out

 

[Esmeralda]

As with all rights, you can waive the right to a speedy trial, Buc is right on this one. I want to know why the defense delayed a trial.

Also, the thread title is a lie. He WAS charged with a crime, he was NOT convicted of a crime.

The difference is important because except for a few select examples of terrorists and the like it IS illegal to put someone in jail without criminal charges, on the other hand people go to jail prior to trial all the time in this country.

By the way, THIS is the family attorney, so no this kid wasn't represented by a public defender

NYC Civil Rights Criminal Defense The Prestia Law Firm

Yep. All true. ClosedCaption just wants to find corruption where there isnt any here.

A defense attorney can demand a trial within a month. Waive the prelim hearing. Waive all the other "system" nonsense. Most dont though.

Why? The more time goes by the better. The arresting officer may quit. The witnesses may die or move. Victim may decide not to pursue it. Evidence ages. All sorts of things.

In reality....prosecutors WANT to get to trial as fast as possible. Defense wants a delay.

Yes, but in most cases the defendant is out on bail I'm still looking to see why bail wasn't granted or if it was even requested

He was given a bond amount. Cant be much for a16 yr old first timer.

Family left his ass in. Supposedly couldnt raise moeny.

It was $10k but you dont know that because watching a 5 min video is too stressful or something. No his family couldnt afford it, now I guess its time for you to go on and on about how much the family sucks for not having $10K laying around to spend

With a bail bondsman its 10%. So in 3 years the whole family couldnt muster $1000 bucks to save their child?

And your prior post says EXACLY what i did. Defense attorneys drag cases out on purpose.

If the family set aside $50 a month hed be out with a 10% bail in 20 months....not 36. They wouldnt even do that!!!?


Dude...this is a non story. Faux outragem

Holy fucking Christ: you are blaming the family? What an asshole.

 

[bucs90]

Oh wait, there is more to the story. Imagine that.

A grand jury had voted to indict Browder. The criminal complaint alleged that he and his friend had robbed a Mexican immigrant named Roberto Bautista—pursuing him, pushing him against a fence, and taking his backpack. Bautista told the police that his backpack contained a credit card, a debit card, a digital camera, an iPod Touch, and seven hundred dollars. Browder was also accused of punching Bautista in the face.


A clerk read out the charges—“Robbery in the second degree and other crimes”—and asked Browder, “How do you plead, sir, guilty or not guilty?”


“Not guilty,” Browder said.


An officer escorted him out of the courtroom and back downstairs to return to Rikers. It no longer mattered whether his mother could find the money to bail him out. The Department of Probation had filed a “violation of probation” against him—standard procedure when someone on probation is indicted on a new violent felony—and the judge had remanded him without bail.

Mandatory no parole for him after the indictment of a violent felony because he was on probation already.

Ah...WOW. I see ClosedCaption isnt responding now. Thanks for posting the entire story with ALL the facts.

Everything makes sense now about why family didnt bail him out.

Grand jury indicted him on robbery.
He was already out on probation for other crimes.
Defense attorney dragged trial out 3 years hoping it gets dropped.
IT WORKS....and prosecution just dropped it (my guess? The immigrant victim is no longer in America or able to be found...sneaky trick by defense attorney huh?)

 

[ClosedCaption]

What is going on here when the focus of the story isnt the fucked up system but whether or not his family had bail money, lawyer money, the responsibilities of the PD, etc etc etc.

Next you're going to pull his shoe size and report card

 

[bucs90]

Yep. All true. ClosedCaption just wants to find corruption where there isnt any here.

A defense attorney can demand a trial within a month. Waive the prelim hearing. Waive all the other "system" nonsense. Most dont though.

Why? The more time goes by the better. The arresting officer may quit. The witnesses may die or move. Victim may decide not to pursue it. Evidence ages. All sorts of things.

In reality....prosecutors WANT to get to trial as fast as possible. Defense wants a delay.

Yes, but in most cases the defendant is out on bail I'm still looking to see why bail wasn't granted or if it was even requested

He was given a bond amount. Cant be much for a16 yr old first timer.

Family left his ass in. Supposedly couldnt raise moeny.

It was $10k but you dont know that because watching a 5 min video is too stressful or something. No his family couldnt afford it, now I guess its time for you to go on and on about how much the family sucks for not having $10K laying around to spend

With a bail bondsman its 10%. So in 3 years the whole family couldnt muster $1000 bucks to save their child?

And your prior post says EXACLY what i did. Defense attorneys drag cases out on purpose.

If the family set aside $50 a month hed be out with a 10% bail in 20 months....not 36. They wouldnt even do that!!!?


Dude...this is a non story. Faux outragem

Holy fucking Christ: you are blaming the family? What an asshole.

Yep. As a 16 year old juvenile...his parents are still responsible for him. He wss indicted for robbery....while still on probation for other crimes.

 

[bucs90]

What is going on here when the focus of the story isnt the fucked up system but whether or not his family had bail money, lawyer money, the responsibilities of the PD, etc etc etc.

Next you're going to pull his shoe size and report card

But this wasnt the systems fault. You're pissed because you want outrage over a story that isnt outrageous.

He was indicted for a violent crime....while on probation for a past crime.
His victim was an immigrant.
His attorney decided to delay delay delay....probably hoping the victim disappears and the evidence is thus lost.

3 years pass....and it worked! Charges never see a trial.

But if you're on probation. ..and get indicted for another violent crime while on probation. ..fuck it. You should be in jail.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Browder repeatedly told O’Meara, his court-appointed lawyer, that he would never plead guilty and that he wanted to go to trial. O’Meara assumed that his courtroom defense would be “Listen, they got the wrong kid.” After all, the accusation had been made a week or two after the alleged robbery, and the victim had later changed his mind about when it occurred. (The original police report said “on or about May 2,” but Bautista later told a detective that it happened on May 8th.)

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

 

[ClosedCaption]

In order for a trial to start, both the defense attorney and the prosecutor have to declare that they are ready; the court clerk then searches for a trial judge who is free and transfers the case, and jury selection can begin. Not long after Browder was indicted, an assistant district attorney sent the court a “Notice of Readiness,” stating that “the People are ready for trial.” The case was put on the calendar for possible trial on December 10th, but it did not start that day. On January 28, 2011, Browder’s two-hundred-and-fifty-eighth day in jail, he was brought back to the courthouse once again. This time, the prosecutor said, “The People are not ready. We are requesting one week.” The next court date set by the judge—March 9th—was not one week away but six. As it happened, Browder didn’t go to trial anytime that year. An index card in the court file explains:

June 23, 2011: People not ready, request 1 week.

August 24, 2011: People not ready, request 1 day.

November 4, 2011: People not ready, prosecutor on trial, request 2 weeks.

December 2, 2011: Prosecutor on trial, request January 3rd.

His attorney decided to delay delay delay....probably hoping the victim disappears and the evidence is thus lost.

 

[bucs90]

Browder repeatedly told O’Meara, his court-appointed lawyer, that he would never plead guilty and that he wanted to go to trial. O’Meara assumed that his courtroom defense would be “Listen, they got the wrong kid.” After all, the accusation had been made a week or two after the alleged robbery, and the victim had later changed his mind about when it occurred. (The original police report said “on or about May 2,” but Bautista later told a detective that it happened on May 8th.)

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

Ok. Again...his attorney fucked up. Sort of. His attorneys job is get his client out of the charge. He won. Charge was dropped.


Sounds like your gripe is with the law that says if you are on probation for another crime...and then get indicted on ANOTHER violent crime....you arent getting out until the charges are settled.

Well....sorry. No sympathies. On probation and get arrested for another violent crime...and get indicted? No bail.

 

[bucs90]

In order for a trial to start, both the defense attorney and the prosecutor have to declare that they are ready; the court clerk then searches for a trial judge who is free and transfers the case, and jury selection can begin. Not long after Browder was indicted, an assistant district attorney sent the court a “Notice of Readiness,” stating that “the People are ready for trial.” The case was put on the calendar for possible trial on December 10th, but it did not start that day. On January 28, 2011, Browder’s two-hundred-and-fifty-eighth day in jail, he was brought back to the courthouse once again. This time, the prosecutor said, “The People are not ready. We are requesting one week.” The next court date set by the judge—March 9th—was not one week away but six. As it happened, Browder didn’t go to trial anytime that year. An index card in the court file explains:

June 23, 2011: People not ready, request 1 week.

August 24, 2011: People not ready, request 1 day.

November 4, 2011: People not ready, prosecutor on trial, request 2 weeks.

December 2, 2011: Prosecutor on trial, request January 3rd.

His attorney decided to delay delay delay....probably hoping the victim disappears and the evidence is thus lost.

Thats over a few months. What about all 3 years...because I can say from eexperience it only takes a few of those delays by the prosecutors before the defense can request dismissal due to lack of a speedy trial. Again...his lawyer should've pounced on this. Judges will grant a couple delays by the prosecutors. But after a few...speedy trial rights kick in.

 

[bucs90]

I will concede...it is more difficult for the system to work efficiently when its flooded and backlogged.

Which happens....when people KEEP COMMITTING SO MUCH FUCKING CRIME.

Inner city courts arent clogged by days of peace and calm behavior.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Yep. All true. ClosedCaption just wants to find corruption where there isnt any here.

A defense attorney can demand a trial within a month. Waive the prelim hearing. Waive all the other "system" nonsense. Most dont though.

Why? The more time goes by the better. The arresting officer may quit. The witnesses may die or move. Victim may decide not to pursue it. Evidence ages. All sorts of things.

In reality....prosecutors WANT to get to trial as fast as possible. Defense wants a delay.

Yes, but in most cases the defendant is out on bail I'm still looking to see why bail wasn't granted or if it was even requested

He was given a bond amount. Cant be much for a16 yr old first timer.

Family left his ass in. Supposedly couldnt raise moeny.

It was $10k but you dont know that because watching a 5 min video is too stressful or something. No his family couldnt afford it, now I guess its time for you to go on and on about how much the family sucks for not having $10K laying around to spend

Why would you lie like that?

But, because Browder was still on probation, the judge ordered him to be held and set bail at three thousand dollars.

It was $3,000 not $10,000 as you claimed and he was given bail instead of being ROI because he was ON PROBATION.

Also, a bail bondsmen will post bail if you put up 10%, that means the family only needed to come up with $300 to bail him out. Yes, I don't have much sympathy for someone for having a family who can't come up with $300 bail money to bail out their son who was already on probation.

My bad, I thought it was 10K.

But from the beginning Bucs wants to make this about me, or the family ANYTHING except the fucked up court system he was trapped in.

At least now you're reading and I admit my mistakes.

My apologies for calling you a liar, takes a man to admit to an error, much respect on that score.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Browder repeatedly told O’Meara, his court-appointed lawyer, that he would never plead guilty and that he wanted to go to trial. O’Meara assumed that his courtroom defense would be “Listen, they got the wrong kid.” After all, the accusation had been made a week or two after the alleged robbery, and the victim had later changed his mind about when it occurred. (The original police report said “on or about May 2,” but Bautista later told a detective that it happened on May 8th.)

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

Ok. Again...his attorney fucked up. Sort of. His attorneys job is get his client out of the charge. He won. Charge was dropped.


Sounds like your gripe is with the law that says if you are on probation for another crime...and then get indicted on ANOTHER violent crime....you arent getting out until the charges are settled.

Well....sorry. No sympathies. On probation and get arrested for another violent crime...and get indicted? No bail.

After all, the accusation had been made a week or two after the alleged robbery, and the victim had later changed his mind about when it occurred. (The original police report said “on or about May 2,” but Bautista later told a detective that it happened on May 8th.)

 

[ClosedCaption]

The Bronx courts are so clogged that when a lawyer asks for a one-week adjournment the next court date usually doesn’t happen for six weeks or more. As long as a prosecutor has filed a Notice of Readiness, however, delays caused by court congestion don’t count toward the number of days that are officially held to have elapsed. Every time a prosecutor stood before a judge in Browder’s case, requested a one-week adjournment, and got six weeks instead, this counted as only one week against the six-month deadline. Meanwhile, Browder remained on Rikers, where six weeks still felt like six weeks—and often much longer.

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

Thats over a few months. What about all 3 years...because I can say from eexperience it only takes a few of those delays by the prosecutors before the defense can request dismissal due to lack of a speedy trial.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

The Bronx courts are so clogged that when a lawyer asks for a one-week adjournment the next court date usually doesn’t happen for six weeks or more. As long as a prosecutor has filed a Notice of Readiness, however, delays caused by court congestion don’t count toward the number of days that are officially held to have elapsed. Every time a prosecutor stood before a judge in Browder’s case, requested a one-week adjournment, and got six weeks instead, this counted as only one week against the six-month deadline. Meanwhile, Browder remained on Rikers, where six weeks still felt like six weeks—and often much longer.

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

Thats over a few months. What about all 3 years...because I can say from eexperience it only takes a few of those delays by the prosecutors before the defense can request dismissal due to lack of a speedy trial.

What are they supposed to do about that? There isn't money to add more judges and courts , and I think you would admit that just ignoring crimes isn't an option.

 

[bucs90]

The Bronx courts are so clogged that when a lawyer asks for a one-week adjournment the next court date usually doesn’t happen for six weeks or more. As long as a prosecutor has filed a Notice of Readiness, however, delays caused by court congestion don’t count toward the number of days that are officially held to have elapsed. Every time a prosecutor stood before a judge in Browder’s case, requested a one-week adjournment, and got six weeks instead, this counted as only one week against the six-month deadline. Meanwhile, Browder remained on Rikers, where six weeks still felt like six weeks—and often much longer.

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

Thats over a few months. What about all 3 years...because I can say from eexperience it only takes a few of those delays by the prosecutors before the defense can request dismissal due to lack of a speedy trial.

Sounds like a lot of criminals should go free for lack of a speedy trial.


Im still having trouble having sympathy for someone who was on probation already...and got himself indicted on another violent crime.

And...courts are clogged. By fucking criminals. Oh well haha.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I will concede...it is more difficult for the system to work efficiently when its flooded and backlogged.

Which happens....when people KEEP COMMITTING SO MUCH FUCKING CRIME.

Inner city courts arent clogged by days of peace and calm behavior.

But Browder had entered the legal system through the Bronx criminal courts, which are chronically overwhelmed. Last year, the Times, in an extended exposé, described them as “crippled” and among the most backlogged in the country. One reason is budgetary. There are not nearly enough judges and court staff to handle the workload; in 2010, Browder’s case was one of five thousand six hundred and ninety-five felonies that the Bronx District Attorney’s office prosecuted.

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I will concede...it is more difficult for the system to work efficiently when its flooded and backlogged.

Which happens....when people KEEP COMMITTING SO MUCH FUCKING CRIME.

Inner city courts arent clogged by days of peace and calm behavior.

But Browder had entered the legal system through the Bronx criminal courts, which are chronically overwhelmed. Last year, the Times, in an extended exposé, described them as “crippled” and among the most backlogged in the country. One reason is budgetary. There are not nearly enough judges and court staff to handle the workload; in 2010, Browder’s case was one of five thousand six hundred and ninety-five felonies that the Bronx District Attorney’s office prosecuted.

Three Years on Rikers Without Trial - The New Yorker

There wouldn't be a need for a larger budget if so many people weren't committing crimes I mean you understand that I know.