Ten myth busting facts about welfare

[David_42]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

Life is a struggle. Get over it. No one promised you a life on a bed of roses, where you get everything you want, without working for it.

I've worked 3 jobs at the same time before. Your telling me that me, without any college degrees, or skills or abilities of any kind, can manage to find 3 jobs to pay my bills, but other people can't?

Fact is, illegals are able to find work. But born bred Americans who can read and write English, are unable to? Bull. You just are flat out full of crap.

Life is an unnecessarily difficult struggle in America compared to other countries. No one wants people to get stuff without working for it, unless they're seniors, children, the disabled, the poor.. Congratulations, you worked 3 jobs and were lucky enough to find them/have the time to work them, people have kids, people to take care of, school to focus on.. Illegals can find work, and they work their asses off in undesirable jobs to provide for themselves. I am not full of crap, I am a realist.

 

[David_42]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

That is BS too. Illegals do not work for less. They are savvy enough to know about how much to get paid. Sheesh do you think they are ignorant?

Answer: Yes. Most left-winger assume everyone is ignorant and stupid. That's why they try and control every aspect of life. It's part of their ideology.

That's hilarious, I'd like to see what "left wingers" believe this. People on the left, the left that sprung from FDR's era, believe in utilizing the state to help everyone and encourage equality.

 

[David_42]

Kind of an odd post really. It says "myth busting" and yet, I don't think anything that was posted, disproved any corresponding myth.

I don't know of any myth said by anyone, that this thread supposedly 'disproved'.

Lots of ridiculous myths going around about welfare..

 

[David_42]

That's another funny thing, people want to tell these people in poverty, after they cut all "socialist" welfare programs, that they just need to go get a 4 year degree from a college and get a job. Oh, by the way, they should be working 3 jobs while managing their school work.

 

[Andylusion]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

Life is a struggle. Get over it. No one promised you a life on a bed of roses, where you get everything you want, without working for it.

I've worked 3 jobs at the same time before. Your telling me that me, without any college degrees, or skills or abilities of any kind, can manage to find 3 jobs to pay my bills, but other people can't?

Fact is, illegals are able to find work. But born bred Americans who can read and write English, are unable to? Bull. You just are flat out full of crap.

Life is an unnecessarily difficult struggle in America compared to other countries. No one wants people to get stuff without working for it, unless they're seniors, children, the disabled, the poor.. Congratulations, you worked 3 jobs and were lucky enough to find them/have the time to work them, people have kids, people to take care of, school to focus on.. Illegals can find work, and they work their asses off in undesirable jobs to provide for themselves. I am not full of crap, I am a realist.

I've been able to find jobs since I was in high school There has never been a time where I couldn't find a job. It's not luck. It's showing up on time. Looking decent during the interview. And working steady so people will actually recommend you, and you don't have gaps in your work history.

Second, you shouldn't have kids unless you are married. If you are single mom, because you spread your legs for 'baby daddy' who ran off... whose fault is that?

See you people on the left, tell these girls to go screw around as much as they want, and then demand everyone else pay for the train wreck that happens because of your belief system.

I don't have any child support payments. Why? I don't screw women I'm not married to. Not a hard concept.

And by the way.... I worked through school when I was going to college.

See you keep coming up with excuse after excuse after excuse. Just stop it. There is nothing special about me, that I can find work, and everyone else can't.

 

[David_42]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

Life is a struggle. Get over it. No one promised you a life on a bed of roses, where you get everything you want, without working for it.

I've worked 3 jobs at the same time before. Your telling me that me, without any college degrees, or skills or abilities of any kind, can manage to find 3 jobs to pay my bills, but other people can't?

Fact is, illegals are able to find work. But born bred Americans who can read and write English, are unable to? Bull. You just are flat out full of crap.

Life is an unnecessarily difficult struggle in America compared to other countries. No one wants people to get stuff without working for it, unless they're seniors, children, the disabled, the poor.. Congratulations, you worked 3 jobs and were lucky enough to find them/have the time to work them, people have kids, people to take care of, school to focus on.. Illegals can find work, and they work their asses off in undesirable jobs to provide for themselves. I am not full of crap, I am a realist.

I've been able to find jobs since I was in high school There has never been a time where I couldn't find a job. It's not luck. It's showing up on time. Looking decent during the interview. And working steady so people will actually recommend you, and you don't have gaps in your work history.

Second, you shouldn't have kids unless you are married. If you are single mom, because you spread your legs for 'baby daddy' who ran off... whose fault is that?

See you people on the left, tell these girls to go screw around as much as they want, and then demand everyone else pay for the train wreck that happens because of your belief system.

I don't have any child support payments. Why? I don't screw women I'm not married to. Not a hard concept.

And by the way.... I worked through school when I was going to college.

See you keep coming up with excuse after excuse after excuse. Just stop it. There is nothing special about me, that I can find work, and everyone else can't.

Congratulations, your personal experience is entirely relevant to discussing the entire nation. It is a mix of luck, no matter how you look at it. Oh dear god, start the demonization of single moms, I love when you fools start that. Us people on the left want those women to have access to free birth control and legal abortion, sorry. So, you worked 3 jobs through college? I seriously doubt that, did you work 50-60 hours?

 

[Misty]

you don't need a degree to work. Nor to start a business. Another liberal myth.

 

[Misty]

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

Life is a struggle. Get over it. No one promised you a life on a bed of roses, where you get everything you want, without working for it.

I've worked 3 jobs at the same time before. Your telling me that me, without any college degrees, or skills or abilities of any kind, can manage to find 3 jobs to pay my bills, but other people can't?

Fact is, illegals are able to find work. But born bred Americans who can read and write English, are unable to? Bull. You just are flat out full of crap.

Life is an unnecessarily difficult struggle in America compared to other countries. No one wants people to get stuff without working for it, unless they're seniors, children, the disabled, the poor.. Congratulations, you worked 3 jobs and were lucky enough to find them/have the time to work them, people have kids, people to take care of, school to focus on.. Illegals can find work, and they work their asses off in undesirable jobs to provide for themselves. I am not full of crap, I am a realist.

I've been able to find jobs since I was in high school There has never been a time where I couldn't find a job. It's not luck. It's showing up on time. Looking decent during the interview. And working steady so people will actually recommend you, and you don't have gaps in your work history.

Second, you shouldn't have kids unless you are married. If you are single mom, because you spread your legs for 'baby daddy' who ran off... whose fault is that?

See you people on the left, tell these girls to go screw around as much as they want, and then demand everyone else pay for the train wreck that happens because of your belief system.

I don't have any child support payments. Why? I don't screw women I'm not married to. Not a hard concept.

And by the way.... I worked through school when I was going to college.

See you keep coming up with excuse after excuse after excuse. Just stop it. There is nothing special about me, that I can find work, and everyone else can't.

Congratulations, your personal experience is entirely relevant to discussing the entire nation. It is a mix of luck, no matter how you look at it. Oh dear god, start the demonization of single moms, I love when you fools start that. Us people on the left want those women to have access to free birth control and legal abortion, sorry. So, you worked 3 jobs through college? I seriously doubt that, did you work 50-60 hours?

It is not luck. Sheesh you tow the liberal line.

Some are lucky to be born rich but the majority of us work hard and make our own success.

And don't brag about women having abortions.

Maybe men should take some responsibility for birth control. Put a condom on.

You think you are being noble by letting women kill their babies. You're not.

 

[Misty]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

That is BS too. Illegals do not work for less. They are savvy enough to know about how much to get paid. Sheesh do you think they are ignorant?

Answer: Yes. Most left-winger assume everyone is ignorant and stupid. That's why they try and control every aspect of life. It's part of their ideology.

That's hilarious, I'd like to see what "left wingers" believe this. People on the left, the left that sprung from FDR's era, believe in utilizing the state to help everyone and encourage equality.

You don't encourage equality. You pit the rich against the poor all the time.

And giving people welfare doesn't help them. It enables them to be weak and dependent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

Life is a struggle. Get over it. No one promised you a life on a bed of roses, where you get everything you want, without working for it.

I've worked 3 jobs at the same time before. Your telling me that me, without any college degrees, or skills or abilities of any kind, can manage to find 3 jobs to pay my bills, but other people can't?

Fact is, illegals are able to find work. But born bred Americans who can read and write English, are unable to? Bull. You just are flat out full of crap.

Life is an unnecessarily difficult struggle in America compared to other countries. No one wants people to get stuff without working for it, unless they're seniors, children, the disabled, the poor.. Congratulations, you worked 3 jobs and were lucky enough to find them/have the time to work them, people have kids, people to take care of, school to focus on.. Illegals can find work, and they work their asses off in undesirable jobs to provide for themselves. I am not full of crap, I am a realist.

I've been able to find jobs since I was in high school There has never been a time where I couldn't find a job. It's not luck. It's showing up on time. Looking decent during the interview. And working steady so people will actually recommend you, and you don't have gaps in your work history.

Second, you shouldn't have kids unless you are married. If you are single mom, because you spread your legs for 'baby daddy' who ran off... whose fault is that?

See you people on the left, tell these girls to go screw around as much as they want, and then demand everyone else pay for the train wreck that happens because of your belief system.

I don't have any child support payments. Why? I don't screw women I'm not married to. Not a hard concept.

And by the way.... I worked through school when I was going to college.

See you keep coming up with excuse after excuse after excuse. Just stop it. There is nothing special about me, that I can find work, and everyone else can't.

Congratulations, your personal experience is entirely relevant to discussing the entire nation. It is a mix of luck, no matter how you look at it.

No mix of luck involved. Graduate high school, don't start a family until you can easily support one, and get a job. How is that luck?

 

[Andylusion]

That's another funny thing, people want to tell these people in poverty, after they cut all "socialist" welfare programs, that they just need to go get a 4 year degree from a college and get a job. Oh, by the way, they should be working 3 jobs while managing their school work.

I'm not asking anyone to do anything that I have not done myself.

Life is hard. Life tough.

And how is having 4th generation welfare recipients any better?

Did you know that more than half of all McDonald company owned stores, the store managers started off as hourly crew?

And a large portion of the owned franchises, are owned by people who started off as hourly crew.

The CEO of Walmart started off as a part-time hourly worker unloading trucks at a Walmart warehouse.

Here's the kicker.... you can work your way up the ladder, unless you get on the bottom rung of the ladder.

In early 2000s, I worked retail at an auto-part store. Starting wage, $7 an hour. The assistant manager there, had started off as a part time shelf stocker. After I left, they opened up a new store, and they put him as store manager over the store.

You can advance your career without a degree, without working 3 jobs.

But you can't do that on unemployment and welfare and food stamps.

See, you want a future where people start off making a middle class income. That doesn't happen usually. You start off at the bottom, and work your way up.

At the company I'm at now, we have 3 software engineer interns. They are paid very low wages. But the point is, they learn experience and have a work history, and start climbing the ladder. You don't just walk out of college, with a bit of paper that says (I R SMRT), and land a $100,000 a year engineering job.

You start at the bottom, and work your way up.

And on top of that..... people don't have to start off working Wendy's. You can mow lawns. You can earn $30,000 a year, mowing lawns. I know a guy right that started mowing lawns in high school, and was pulling down $500,000 before he got out of college.

Read this one.....

Meet the 15-year-old babysitting boss poised to make millions

This 15-year-old chick is making $375K a year...... setting up baby sitting.

You are telling me, that adults are completely incapable of going and making a living, but this 15-year-old still in braces, is making top 1% cash?

See, just stop the excuses. Just quit. You are the one holding people back. I'm the one telling everyone they can win. I'm want to help people to succeed. You hold people down with your "you can't get ahead, you need a union or your doomed" mentality.

You harm people with your lies.

 

[Andylusion]

Kind of an odd post really. It says "myth busting" and yet, I don't think anything that was posted, disproved any corresponding myth.

I don't know of any myth said by anyone, that this thread supposedly 'disproved'.

Lots of ridiculous myths going around about welfare..

Possibly, but none of them were addressed by this thread, that's for sure.

 

[Andylusion]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

That is BS too. Illegals do not work for less. They are savvy enough to know about how much to get paid. Sheesh do you think they are ignorant?

Answer: Yes. Most left-winger assume everyone is ignorant and stupid. That's why they try and control every aspect of life. It's part of their ideology.

That's hilarious, I'd like to see what "left wingers" believe this. People on the left, the left that sprung from FDR's era, believe in utilizing the state to help everyone and encourage equality.

Intentions don't matter. Results are what matter. FDR, and the leftists of today, to the exact opposite of what you claim. They harm everyone, and destroy equality.

 

[David_42]

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

That is BS too. Illegals do not work for less. They are savvy enough to know about how much to get paid. Sheesh do you think they are ignorant?

Answer: Yes. Most left-winger assume everyone is ignorant and stupid. That's why they try and control every aspect of life. It's part of their ideology.

That's hilarious, I'd like to see what "left wingers" believe this. People on the left, the left that sprung from FDR's era, believe in utilizing the state to help everyone and encourage equality.

Intentions don't matter. Results are what matter. FDR, and the leftists of today, to the exact opposite of what you claim. They harm everyone, and destroy equality.

Yeah, results do matter, which is why FDR was elected 4 times, and why welfare has been proven to reduce poverty, same with social security.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

Maybe so, but there are plenty of jobs Americans are not even considering. They have their Obama Phone, their SNAP's card, their HUD house in the suburb, and free healthcare thanks to Commie Care. So why work?

In my field, we can't find enough people to fill positions, so employers are now hiring foreigners who will do the job. Some of them can't even read or speak English. And mind you, these are far from minimum wage jobs too.

 

[David_42]

That's another funny thing, people want to tell these people in poverty, after they cut all "socialist" welfare programs, that they just need to go get a 4 year degree from a college and get a job. Oh, by the way, they should be working 3 jobs while managing their school work.

I'm not asking anyone to do anything that I have not done myself.

Life is hard. Life tough.

And how is having 4th generation welfare recipients any better?

Did you know that more than half of all McDonald company owned stores, the store managers started off as hourly crew?

And a large portion of the owned franchises, are owned by people who started off as hourly crew.

The CEO of Walmart started off as a part-time hourly worker unloading trucks at a Walmart warehouse.

Here's the kicker.... you can work your way up the ladder, unless you get on the bottom rung of the ladder.

In early 2000s, I worked retail at an auto-part store. Starting wage, $7 an hour. The assistant manager there, had started off as a part time shelf stocker. After I left, they opened up a new store, and they put him as store manager over the store.

You can advance your career without a degree, without working 3 jobs.

But you can't do that on unemployment and welfare and food stamps.

See, you want a future where people start off making a middle class income. That doesn't happen usually. You start off at the bottom, and work your way up.

At the company I'm at now, we have 3 software engineer interns. They are paid very low wages. But the point is, they learn experience and have a work history, and start climbing the ladder. You don't just walk out of college, with a bit of paper that says (I R SMRT), and land a $100,000 a year engineering job.

You start at the bottom, and work your way up.

And on top of that..... people don't have to start off working Wendy's. You can mow lawns. You can earn $30,000 a year, mowing lawns. I know a guy right that started mowing lawns in high school, and was pulling down $500,000 before he got out of college.

Read this one.....

Meet the 15-year-old babysitting boss poised to make millions

This 15-year-old chick is making $375K a year...... setting up baby sitting.

You are telling me, that adults are completely incapable of going and making a living, but this 15-year-old still in braces, is making top 1% cash?

See, just stop the excuses. Just quit. You are the one holding people back. I'm the one telling everyone they can win. I'm want to help people to succeed. You hold people down with your "you can't get ahead, you need a union or your doomed" mentality.

You harm people with your lies.

See, the funny thing about you guys, you have this ridiculous idea that socio-economic conditions are exact in all areas when making these ridiculous assumptions. Yes, people work up the ladder, but people fall into poverty all the time, you do know those MCD managers rely on welfare? Trust me, I used to work there.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There's nothing more disgusting then hearing a loserterian whine about how we should let them die.

Matty, put down the crack pipe

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Important read.
Ten myth-busting facts about welfare

Unlike monthly jobs numbers, poverty numbers come out only once a year—and they’ll be rolling out on Tuesday. That means this is the time to talk about the 46.2 million living in poverty. And you can’t talk about poverty without talking about welfare, officially known as the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.

It may come as a surprise, but TANF was never intended to be a comprehensive anti-poverty program. It was designed to be a temporary leg up, but its mission varies greatly from state to state.

Here are a few other facts that may surprise you:

1. States have no legal obligation to support poor families with cash. States have a lot more freedom to do what they want with this program than people realize. In the extreme, states could even decide to get rid of TANF altogether, as Alabama budget cuts threatened to do last year.
2. States are able to set their own rules about who gets TANF and how much, usually reflecting the state’s culture and philosophy about government’s role in helping the poor. Some states believe the poor shouldn’t get help from the government. Whether a family receives TANF assistance and how much they receive depends largely on the state where they live. For example, in Texas, fewer than 1 in 10 poor families receive assistance, compared with almost three out of four in California.
3. Not everyone who is poor gets welfare. The official poverty line is already so low that a family of three with any income over $1,500 a month is not officially poor. And even that is not poor enough to qualify for TANF. To qualify, you typically need to have income below half the poverty line; in some states, the income limit is much lower. Cash assistance reaches fewer than one in three poor families nationally (about 1.5 percent of the total population).
4. Reducing poverty is not one of TANF’s purposes. The amount families receive from TANF does not come close to lifting them out of poverty. The most a family could receive in the most generous state is still less than half the federal poverty line. A family of three would receive at most about $400 a month in the average state.
5. Even though TANF was intended to assist needy families and promote work, the program devotes relatively few resources to either purpose.
   • In 2010, only 28.8 percent of TANF funds nationally was spent on cash payments to needy families. Less than 8 percent goes to activities that help people find work (including job search, work subsidies, education and training, transportation, individual development accounts, and other work expenses, combined).
   • A whopping 63 percent is spent on other social service programs or child care, or the other two purposes of TANF: preventing out-of-wedlock pregnancies and encouraging the formation and maintenance of two-parent families.
6. The amount the federal government gives states for TANF has not changed since 1997. The federal government spends a total of $16.5 billion a year on TANF. This figure does not change with inflation, so it is worth less and less over time. States are obligated to contribute their own funds as well.
7. The program was not responsive to the recession or the recent rise in poverty. During the recession, the share of needy families receiving cash assistance fell. The number of families receiving cash assistance grew, but the number of poor families grew faster.
   • While unemployment rates doubled, the number of families receiving cash assistance grew by only 13 percent.
   • The poverty rate increased from 11 percent in 2000 to 15 percent in 2011.
   • Child poverty rose from 16 percent in 2000 to 22 percent in 2011.
8. Since TANF began in 1997, the share of poor families receiving assistance has fallen in all states, and the difference among states has grown. In 1998, about half (53 percent) of poor families with children nationally received TANF cash assistance, compared with 28 percent in 2010. In 1998, poor families in California were three times more likely to receive cash assistance than families in Texas; by 2010, California poor families were 10 times more like to receive cash assistance than those in Texas, where TANF cash assistance went to just 7 out of 100 poor families with children.

So Democrat War on Poverty is a horrible Failure

Fucking shocking

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Fromthe link:

The poverty rate increased from 11 percent in 2000 to 15 percent in 2011.

So poverty increased despite (because of) 8 years of Democrat rule.
Democrat policies fail to lift people out of poverty. They fail every time.

What happened in 2008? Welfare programs are shown to reduce poverty and lift people out of it, social security keeps millions out of poverty.

Idiot.
Your link says the exact opposite: TANF is not designed to lift people out ofpoverty. IT's right there in what you posted. Did you bother to read it?
We arent talking about 2008. We're talking about 2011, supposedly after 3 years of expansion under Obama.
Dem policies deliver failure.

Welfare programs shown to reduce poverty in America
Remember 2008. Idiot.

War on poverty: US spent $15 trillion over 5 decades
January 8, 2014 6:24 PM MST

Months after JFK's assassination, Lyndon Johnson told congress and the nation that he was declaring "an unconditional war on poverty in America." Five decades and $15 trillion later, that war is lost.

Taxpayers have been bilked trillions of dollars.

Back in 1964, America's poverty rate was 19 percent. Today, it's 15 percent and the number is rising thanks to failed programs. The government borrowed money and forced taxpayers to spend $15 trillion in anti-poverty programs. However, bureaucrats and politicians have not been held accountable for squandering America's wealth.

With such a massive sum, all the $15 trillion in taxpayers' money did was establish a welfare state in which a victom mentality was rewarded with handouts, government cheese, extended jobless benefits, food stamps, free healthcare, subsidized housing, and other entitlements that encourage leeches to be lazy.

War on poverty: US spent $15 trillion over 5 decades

 

[Rotagilla]

not everyone can get trained and employed in 99 weeks. in any case, why set up an arbitrary and capricious limit instead of being more rational in the choices offered labor in any at-will employment State.

That's BS. If you really want to work you can find a job. There are 11 million illegals who prove that everyday.

Who get hired because they'll work for less then minimum wage to struggle and provide for their families..

We should stop exploiting illegals for cheap labor (which also keeps wages down for americans) and we should stop supporting human trafficking.

It's easy.

Close and enforce the border and deport all illegals.