Texas governor doesn't care how many die

Show me the Scripture that says the government is supposed to care for the poor.
Its in US constitution.
Uh, no it’s not. Quite the contrary, the founders were adamant that the federal government was explicitly limited to 18 enumerated powers and that charity was not one of those powers. Imbecile. :eusa_doh:
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The discussion is about whether or not government is supposed to help the poor, not that it should be federal as opposed to state or local. That is an entirely different discussion.
 
Show me the Scripture that says the government is supposed to care for the poor.
Its in US constitution.
You know you’re dead wrong when someone says “show me in scripture” and you respond with “it’s in the U.S. Constitution”. :eusa_doh: #SpecialKindOfRetard

Not really true.
The scriptures were an ancient way of trying to express inherent truths as they thought they existed back then.
The Constitution is just the most modern attempt to express those same inherent truths about human nature.
Rights are not necessarily endowed by God, but it hardly matters if it is just our DNA and evolution that created those concepts. They still exist and are what we should go by.
What a bucket of horse shit. Sell that crap to some naive college kids.
 
Show me the Scripture that says the government is supposed to care for the poor.
Its in US constitution.
You know you’re dead wrong when someone says “show me in scripture” and you respond with “it’s in the U.S. Constitution”. :eusa_doh: #SpecialKindOfRetard

Not really true.
The scriptures were an ancient way of trying to express inherent truths as they thought they existed back then.
The Constitution is just the most modern attempt to express those same inherent truths about human nature.
Rights are not necessarily endowed by God, but it hardly matters if it is just our DNA and evolution that created those concepts. They still exist and are what we should go by.
I agree with this concept.

Study religion long enough, and one will see the themes repeated over and over. Judeo-Christianity is a retread of past religions expressing the same truths about human nature as the people understand them. I am not shitting on Christianity or the "scriptures" but they were also written by humans.

One recurring theme is that it is human nature for some to oppress others, if allowed to do so. All expressions of "rights" pose a problematic balancing act to prevent the oppressed from becoming the oppressors, which history has confirmed repeatedly that such is accomplished by a polypoly or pluropoly (as opposed to a monopoly) on force (i.e. the right of individuals to bear arms).
 
Show me the Scripture that says the government is supposed to care for the poor.
Its in US constitution.
Uh, no it’s not. Quite the contrary, the founders were adamant that the federal government was explicitly limited to 18 enumerated powers and that charity was not one of those powers. Imbecile. :eusa_doh:
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The discussion is about whether or not government is supposed to help the poor, not that it should be federal as opposed to state or local. That is an entirely different discussion.
And this brings forward the example of how the oppressed can become the oppressors.

When any help to the poor is mandatory by government force, it a,ways results in the oppression of the productive because it is no different than the oppressed gaining power to oppress and exercising that power via government.

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Show me the Scripture that says the government is supposed to care for the poor.
Its in US constitution.
Uh, no it’s not. Quite the contrary, the founders were adamant that the federal government was explicitly limited to 18 enumerated powers and that charity was not one of those powers. Imbecile. :eusa_doh:
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The discussion is about whether or not government is supposed to help the poor, not that it should be federal as opposed to state or local. That is an entirely different discussion.
And this brings forward the example of how the oppressed can become the oppressors.

When any help to the poor is mandatory by government force, it a,ways results in the oppression of the productive because it is no different than the oppressed gaining power to oppress and exercising that power via government.

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Its our economic system oppressing opportunity for them to make their own way.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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The death count is not a concern by those who wish to push that argument. Its an excuse to reopen the economy which does show fear of many when faced with not having money and living on borrowed time. People really must want to eat at there favorite restaurant. They will ignore the real issues which is lack of a treatment, inability to test large number of people, lack of a cure. and the fact we are still in a learning curve with this virus. It is a safe bet. There is strong evidence that having a hardy immune system can defeat the virus. Eventually one day they will have enough knowledge to treat this virus. Still it is an individual choice of how you interact in this world and at this point in time. The shutdown was across political lines. How fast we get back on track will have political ramifications but will change no ones mind. The long term effects of having the virus is unknown. Humans are born with fear and it motivates avoidance of certain dangers and strategies to deal with the fear. Republican fear that trump will lose is higher than the fear of dying from this virus. A safe bet either way.

But from all the viruses in the past and the experience we have with COVID-19 all over the world, the least deaths happen when you achieve herd immunity the quickest.

Lock downs only slow down infection rates, so can not ever possibly save any lives.
Lock downs instead instead the death total by slowing down infection rate, so that herd immunity takes longer.
And the longer it takes, the more die.
That is because we have to sequester the vulnerable in the mean time, and as time goes on, that fails.

You do not need or want a treatment because there almost NEVER is any treatment for any virus.
There will never be a cure, as there is no cure for any virus.
Testing would be nice, and we could have it because China has it, but we refuse to use the China testing.
But we don't need testing in order to achieve herd immunity.
And we know for certain herd immunity works.
Not only has it always worked, but the animal that it came from has to have immunity or else it would be extinct.
Well we do know that small pox there is no cure but vaccinations have eliminated it. Herd immunity works best with vaccinations which may not cure it but works towards prevention.

Stem cell transplants looks promising as there are a couple of cases where HIV was cured.

Yes there are not many cures but who knows what the future holds. If you can strap a rocket to someones ass and shoot him into space, you best be able to deal with issues on earth.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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A staggering death rate of .027% OH MY GOD EVERYBODY IN TEXAS IS GOING TO DIE !!!!

Thank you for admitting that just like Trump, you don't care how many die. That seems odd considering that you once were so concerned about 4 deaths till you demanded 9 different investigations when there wasn't any wrong doing.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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The death count is not a concern by those who wish to push that argument. Its an excuse to reopen the economy which does show fear of many when faced with not having money and living on borrowed time. People really must want to eat at there favorite restaurant. They will ignore the real issues which is lack of a treatment, inability to test large number of people, lack of a cure. and the fact we are still in a learning curve with this virus. It is a safe bet. There is strong evidence that having a hardy immune system can defeat the virus. Eventually one day they will have enough knowledge to treat this virus. Still it is an individual choice of how you interact in this world and at this point in time. The shutdown was across political lines. How fast we get back on track will have political ramifications but will change no ones mind. The long term effects of having the virus is unknown. Humans are born with fear and it motivates avoidance of certain dangers and strategies to deal with the fear. Republican fear that trump will lose is higher than the fear of dying from this virus. A safe bet either way.

But from all the viruses in the past and the experience we have with COVID-19 all over the world, the least deaths happen when you achieve herd immunity the quickest.

Lock downs only slow down infection rates, so can not ever possibly save any lives.
Lock downs instead instead the death total by slowing down infection rate, so that herd immunity takes longer.
And the longer it takes, the more die.
That is because we have to sequester the vulnerable in the mean time, and as time goes on, that fails.

You do not need or want a treatment because there almost NEVER is any treatment for any virus.
There will never be a cure, as there is no cure for any virus.
Testing would be nice, and we could have it because China has it, but we refuse to use the China testing.
But we don't need testing in order to achieve herd immunity.
And we know for certain herd immunity works.
Not only has it always worked, but the animal that it came from has to have immunity or else it would be extinct.

So you advise do nothing? Do you have a single credible source that agrees with you? Sorry, but right wing radio just isn't credible.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election? Do any of you liberals care about those people? They don't have any money. They have bills to pay. They need to feed their families. But you want to keep the nation closed down for as long as you can to make Trump look bad!

Here's the thing, Bulldog...

Those States that are opening back up now? They're going to be the ones who's economy bounces back the quickest. States like Michigan? With a Governor that wants to string this out for as long as she can? People that live there are FUCKED!!! See how that translates come November. Why would you vote for people that put politics above people?
A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election?
Forget the fact that the entire world is doing the same thing and not just to make trump look bad and realize the economy is already fucked going into the fall and will remain so long after.

There is no quick recovery for either the virus or the economy.
I never claimed there would be a quick recovery from either. I'm simply pointing out that people NEED to go back to work or THEY will be fucked! That's not even open for debate. We can't sustain what we've done for the past month. It's not economically feasible.
You claimed it was to make Trump look bad, liar.
Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Because the Republicans are more concerned with the economy than with those that will die as a result of opening too soon. You just made that clear in your post.
I'll agree with that last statement. We Republicans ARE more concerned with the economy than those that will die because of the reopening! So should you be. Having young, healthy people return to work while using social distancing and good hygiene simply makes sense. Keeping the economy shut down at this point is going to do far more damage than the virus will. I predict the number of people dying from Covid 19 from this point out isn't going to be much higher than the number of people who would normally die from complications due to the flu in any other year.
I'll agree with that last statement. We Republicans ARE more concerned with the economy than those that will die because of the reopening! So should you be.
So ....What are you arguing about then?

Texas governor doesn't care how many die

The OP was correct. None of you righties care.
Yes, there is NO WAY IN HELL this extreme hyperbole will come back to bite you.....

Oops....


Looks like the California governor want to kill people too huh!
They just can't help but walk right into it, every single time.

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LOL...
Hyperbole?
You all prove it with each post, dope.
Do you even know what hyperbole is?

"Texas governor wants to murder babies"

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I don't think the Texas governor wants to murder babies, but he doesn't seem to care much if they have the food and medical care that they need.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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Such BULLSHIT

We're witnessing the biggest fabrication in world history.

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The Texas governor removed safety precautions despite experts advising him to wait. What part of that is fabricated?
These the same experts who told us we would have 2.2 MILLION dead?
/——-/ A local gym installed a ultraviolet germ killer at its entrance, and had to be taken down quickly~it killed four Democrats.
 
cry about the economy then reopen businesses -

two things better happen thats for damn sure -

1. reopening isnt premature and sets off round 2 of the virus

2. people flock to businesses in droves and a magical recovery takes place overnight .
God, you're an idiot! The reopening of the economy is specifically designed so that people CAN'T flock to businesses in droves! Restaurants in Florida are open...but only at 25% capacity! Hard to have "droves" of customers in a business when only 25% of capacity is allowed! Duh?

Tx and Fl operate on sales tax revenue - per your 25% capacity they lose 75% of their revenue UNLESS they maintain a CONSTANT 25% revolving door capacity - aka FLOCK TO BUSINESSES IN DROVES.

DUH
So a "constant" 25% somehow attains "drove" status? It's 25% of capacity, you buffoon! That means 3/4's of the restaurant is EMPTY!

and losing 75% of their revenue while still paying overhead -

business aint yer strong suit huh -
/——/ Their only hope is if they ask the customers to order quickly, finish, pay and leave for faster turnover. I think people will be so happy to get out to eat they would comply.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall.

Texas has had 888 deaths out of a population of 29 million. They rank 40 out of 50 states in deaths per million.

How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?

How many more will unnecessarily die due to poverty, domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, mental health issues, and non-related COVID-19 medical conditions so you can keep people on lock down, destroy their local economy, and score partisan political points?

If you want to discuss all those things, you should start a thread.

Why don't you answer the question, clown, since you're so quick to judge everybody else's motives?

As soon as you ask one on this subject, I will.

What's wrong? You can dish your bullshit out, but you can't take it when it's thrown back at you?

Come on, chucklehead, answer the question. How many more should die because of your partisan politics?

Just because right wingers only see things in terms of politics doesn't make that the case, dumb ass. The experts in the field have more credibility than what you might have heard on Fox and Friends.


Tell me this isn't only seeing things in terms of politics. From your OP commie:
How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?


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It's responding to the right's politically based actions. When your decisions are based on politics more than what scientists advise, as the right is doing, that is by definition politically based.
You have failed to show the actions are politically motivated, Fuckwit.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall.

Texas has had 888 deaths out of a population of 29 million. They rank 40 out of 50 states in deaths per million.

How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?

How many more will unnecessarily die due to poverty, domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, mental health issues, and non-related COVID-19 medical conditions so you can keep people on lock down, destroy their local economy, and score partisan political points?

If you want to discuss all those things, you should start a thread.

Why don't you answer the question, clown, since you're so quick to judge everybody else's motives?

As soon as you ask one on this subject, I will.

What's wrong? You can dish your bullshit out, but you can't take it when it's thrown back at you?

Come on, chucklehead, answer the question. How many more should die because of your partisan politics?

Just because right wingers only see things in terms of politics doesn't make that the case, dumb ass. The experts in the field have more credibility than what you might have heard on Fox and Friends.


Tell me this isn't only seeing things in terms of politics. From your OP commie:
How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?


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It's responding to the right's politically based actions. When your decisions are based on politics more than what scientists advise, as the right is doing, that is by definition politically based.
You have failed to show the actions are politically motivated, Fuckwit.

It's a little late for you to start claiming Trump's actions aren't politically motivated, don't you think?
 
Barber shops and salons can start to open up on Friday.
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Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election? Do any of you liberals care about those people? They don't have any money. They have bills to pay. They need to feed their families. But you want to keep the nation closed down for as long as you can to make Trump look bad!

Here's the thing, Bulldog...

Those States that are opening back up now? They're going to be the ones who's economy bounces back the quickest. States like Michigan? With a Governor that wants to string this out for as long as she can? People that live there are FUCKED!!! See how that translates come November. Why would you vote for people that put politics above people?
A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election?
Forget the fact that the entire world is doing the same thing and not just to make trump look bad and realize the economy is already fucked going into the fall and will remain so long after.

There is no quick recovery for either the virus or the economy.
I never claimed there would be a quick recovery from either. I'm simply pointing out that people NEED to go back to work or THEY will be fucked! That's not even open for debate. We can't sustain what we've done for the past month. It's not economically feasible.
You claimed it was to make Trump look bad, liar.
Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Because the Republicans are more concerned with the economy than with those that will die as a result of opening too soon. You just made that clear in your post.

What's the hurry, right ?
Cause, heck, the government can just keep sending out those checks every month to every American, and maybe in a couple years when it's completely safe, we can think about actually working for a paycheck.

There's a right way and a disastrous way to do this. Texas chose poorly.
Come to Texas so we can teach you how we deal with commie liars.

In this case, it seems we made one governor.
In this case, if you don't live there, fuck off!

I was born here bitch

Do you live there now? If not, shut up!

You STFU. I am and always have been a Texan. You don't have to be an idiot Trump supporter to be a Texan dumb ass. I still miss Ann Richards.

Not what I said, you fucking dumbass! I have spent quite a while in Killeen. Does that make me a Texan?

Do you live there now?

I already told you I do dumb ass.

So, I am a Texan?
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election? Do any of you liberals care about those people? They don't have any money. They have bills to pay. They need to feed their families. But you want to keep the nation closed down for as long as you can to make Trump look bad!

Here's the thing, Bulldog...

Those States that are opening back up now? They're going to be the ones who's economy bounces back the quickest. States like Michigan? With a Governor that wants to string this out for as long as she can? People that live there are FUCKED!!! See how that translates come November. Why would you vote for people that put politics above people?
A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election?
Forget the fact that the entire world is doing the same thing and not just to make trump look bad and realize the economy is already fucked going into the fall and will remain so long after.

There is no quick recovery for either the virus or the economy.
I never claimed there would be a quick recovery from either. I'm simply pointing out that people NEED to go back to work or THEY will be fucked! That's not even open for debate. We can't sustain what we've done for the past month. It's not economically feasible.
You claimed it was to make Trump look bad, liar.
Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Because the Republicans are more concerned with the economy than with those that will die as a result of opening too soon. You just made that clear in your post.

What's the hurry, right ?
Cause, heck, the government can just keep sending out those checks every month to every American, and maybe in a couple years when it's completely safe, we can think about actually working for a paycheck.

There's a right way and a disastrous way to do this. Texas chose poorly.
Come to Texas so we can teach you how we deal with commie liars.

In this case, it seems we made one governor.
In this case, if you don't live there, fuck off!

I was born here bitch

Do you live there now? If not, shut up!

You STFU. I am and always have been a Texan. You don't have to be an idiot Trump supporter to be a Texan dumb ass. I still miss Ann Richards.

Not what I said, you fucking dumbass! I have spent quite a while in Killeen. Does that make me a Texan?

Do you live there now?

I already told you I do dumb ass.

So, I am a Texan?

I have no idea if you are a Texan. Don't really care. I'm positive you are just another dumb Trump supporter.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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Actually Texans have greater confidence that the hospital capacity can handle the demands by removing restrictions on medical care and clinics artificially shutdown. And the businesses are taking time to adapt to the demands for social distancing, delivery services, and reduced occupancy.

What we still should restrict is not letting the aggressive strains from Wuhan and Italy cause outbreaks here. We still need to keep up with containing and testing infections to make sure the mild cases are treated effectively to keep people out of ICU.

And the hospitalizations and exposure to viral loads are reduced to the minimum risk.

My preference on policy is to SEPARATE districts, worksite and medical support so everyone shares responsibility for the costs and consequences of their policies they agree to adopt and enforce consistently.

I do not agree to mix people of different policy standards who don't consent to the implications.
 
Despite the constant increase in Covid 19 virus, cases, Greg Abbot thinks it is more important to bow to Trump and open the state for business as usual than it is to listen to the experts and wait until infection rates start to fall. How many more will unnecessarily die just so Abbot can get his brownie points from Trump?
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A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election? Do any of you liberals care about those people? They don't have any money. They have bills to pay. They need to feed their families. But you want to keep the nation closed down for as long as you can to make Trump look bad!

Here's the thing, Bulldog...

Those States that are opening back up now? They're going to be the ones who's economy bounces back the quickest. States like Michigan? With a Governor that wants to string this out for as long as she can? People that live there are FUCKED!!! See how that translates come November. Why would you vote for people that put politics above people?
A better question is how many families are you willing to bankrupt so that the economy doesn't look good going into the Fall election?
Forget the fact that the entire world is doing the same thing and not just to make trump look bad and realize the economy is already fucked going into the fall and will remain so long after.

There is no quick recovery for either the virus or the economy.
I never claimed there would be a quick recovery from either. I'm simply pointing out that people NEED to go back to work or THEY will be fucked! That's not even open for debate. We can't sustain what we've done for the past month. It's not economically feasible.
You claimed it was to make Trump look bad, liar.
Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Explain to me why Republican Governors are opening faster than Democratic ones are, Hutch? Then explain to those people in Democratically controlled States why THEY'RE not going to have a job because their leaders aren't doing the same thing!

Because the Republicans are more concerned with the economy than with those that will die as a result of opening too soon. You just made that clear in your post.

What's the hurry, right ?
Cause, heck, the government can just keep sending out those checks every month to every American, and maybe in a couple years when it's completely safe, we can think about actually working for a paycheck.

There's a right way and a disastrous way to do this. Texas chose poorly.
Come to Texas so we can teach you how we deal with commie liars.

In this case, it seems we made one governor.
In this case, if you don't live there, fuck off!

I was born here bitch

Do you live there now? If not, shut up!

You STFU. I am and always have been a Texan. You don't have to be an idiot Trump supporter to be a Texan dumb ass. I still miss Ann Richards.

Not what I said, you fucking dumbass! I have spent quite a while in Killeen. Does that make me a Texan?

Do you live there now?

I already told you I do dumb ass.

So, I am a Texan?

I have no idea if you are a Texan. Don't really care. I'm positive you are just another dumb Trump supporter.
You know what the interesting thing about having the States decide on how to handle this is going to be? It's going to show which philosophy is better...hiding at home for months...or coming out and starting our lives again.
What do you think is going to happen to all you bed wetters when the States run by Republicans start recovering faster than the States run by Democrats? Ouch! Leading up to the election? OMG!!! That's not good for Joe "Hair Plugs" Biden, Bulldog! That's not good for ANY Democrats! Oh, sure...the main stream media will do it's level best to portray it as something it's not...but you know what? People in those States that HAVEN'T recovered are going to know the truth!
 

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