Texas to arrest Sanctuary City Leaders, Police Chiefs, etc...

[The Sage of Main Street]

dear, States have no authority over Immigration into the Union since 1808.

And, health and safety and security, makes first degrees going first, both necessary and proper.

Implied by the Tenth Amendment

When the Feds don't fulfill their obligations, they forfeit their authority and it passes down to the states. If an outside guard sleeps on his watch, it is up to the inside guard to stop those breaking and entering.

I don't recall that clause in the Constitution. Perhaps you could link it.

Excuse me, but what does that have to do with local or state officials arbitrarily creating safe haven for criminals WITHOUT voter consent ? Shouldn't they ASK US what we want, first? Such a monumental decision made unilaterally. Please, don't duck this question with a bunch of double talk.

Mary, I have tried to explain to you several times that there is no such thing as a "safe haven" for illegal aliens in "Sanctuary cities". I will ask you, yet again. Do you know what the definition of Sanctuary city is? Please turn off your AM radio.

. Reagan de-fanged and emasculated the INS in the 80's. By Their own admission. Why?
: YES, local and state officials are making policies that favor non enforcement of Federal immigration laws. And a lot of US WANT the state to follow federal immigration laws. Why NOT?

Their Constitution Puts Us, the People, on the Outside Looking In

More proof that there is no Left Wing and that multiculturalism is designed to cover up its Right Wing goal of cheap labor. Second, your idea that the government must do what its citizens want violates the Birchers' pushy slogan that we live in a "Republic, Not a Democracy." The Kochist clique doesn't care about the issues either elitist "side" imposes on us walked-all-over doormats; it approves of all "Left" or "Right" Wing tyranny as long as it puts the majority of citizens in their place.

 

[danielpalos]

Sanctuary cities are new enough to have no standard definition
What they are is a proclaimed location where lawbreakers can be shielded from the responsibility of their lawlessness via interference with, or lack of cooperation to, immigration authorities

You mean like, gun lovers and 10USC311?

Look you retard that law does not invalidate private ownership of firearms and the Supreme Court ruled the 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

10USC311 is not about Individuals.

It also is not about ownership of weapons and has nothing to do with the right to own possess and use firearms.

That concept is specifically, denied and disparaged in our Second Amendment; natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process. There is no need for natural rights or Individual Rights in our Second Amendment since it is about the Socialism and collectivism concerning the security needs of our free States.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We voted for Trump, sorry kids, he may be a misogynist swine, but Obama opened the floodgates on uncritical voters. Sorry. Politicians are supposed to represent Us and ask US if we want to give illegals a sanctuary, instead of them blithely imposing it on Us without permission. It's still a democratic republic, and there is NO excuse for that, it's outrageous.

dear, States have no authority over Immigration into the Union since 1808.

And, health and safety and security, makes first degrees going first, both necessary and proper.

Implied by the Tenth Amendment

When the Feds don't fulfill their obligations, they forfeit their authority and it passes down to the states. If an outside guard sleeps on his watch, it is up to the inside guard to stop those breaking and entering.

What part of, No Authority over immigration into the Union since 1808, do you not understand?

.

Quisling Legality Nullified

The "Rule of Law" is the law of the rulers. We won't be free until they live in fear. Hit the rulers where it hurts the most; take away their future.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Sanctuary cities are new enough to have no standard definition
What they are is a proclaimed location where lawbreakers can be shielded from the responsibility of their lawlessness via interference with, or lack of cooperation to, immigration authorities

You mean like, gun lovers and 10USC311?

Look you retard that law does not invalidate private ownership of firearms and the Supreme Court ruled the 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

10USC311 is not about Individuals.

It also is not about ownership of weapons and has nothing to do with the right to own possess and use firearms.

That concept is specifically, denied and disparaged in our Second Amendment; natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process. There is no need for natural rights or Individual Rights in our Second Amendment since it is about the Socialism and collectivism concerning the security needs of our free States.

Not according to the Supreme Court num nuts. And I repeat if individual rights are not protected by the Constitution then I guess all the other individual rights protected by the Constitution need to revert to the states right?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Is that a phrase?

federal law is federal law; we don't need to have any priorities, because the right wing, simply "hates illegals".

I don't hate illegals; most of them are very nice people.
But they have been part of the upset of America's economic structure.

Are you sure you are "independent" and not merely on the right wing?

Why do you believe illegal immigration is a problem in the US, under our form of Capitalism?

The United States is the world's largest national economy in nominal terms and second largest according to purchasing power parity (PPP), representing 22% of nominal global GDP and 17% of gross world product (GWP).[4] The United States' GDP was estimated to be $18.56 trillion in 2016.--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

Traders Are Traitors

Every office on Wall Street has a portrait of Vidkun Quisling.

did you know, that diversion is usually considered a fallacy; it is a favorite tactic of the right wing.

Saying That the Rich Create Jobs Is Like Saying That Vampires Create Blood

You call it a "diversion" because you are trying to control the debate by limiting it to claims about what we must allow Capitalists to do or all go bankrupt.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does.....keep out the illegals.

Why would we want to emulate, Mexico's economy?

Treason Is Not a Businessman's Property Right

You keep saying things in which the reality is the exact opposite of what you're trying to get across. Mexicans wrecked their own economy; importing them will wreck ours.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If you are from Chicago, you know damn good and well that the vast majority of homicides are black on black gang violence. Why don't you address the real underlying causation instead of the instrument used?

1) Chicago isn't the whole country.
2) 80% of homicides, the victims and killer know each other.

1) Chicago is the murder capital of the US. 90% of their murders in 2016 were black on black gang violence. If you look at every other major city, the trend is the same. Remove gang violence from the equation, and the United States is per capita one of the safest countries in the world. So again I say, address the real issue and not the tool. The fact is that 7% of the population statistically commits over 50% of all crimes.

2) The statistic you quote was from a 1993 FBI study and is essentially meaningless data 25 years later.

We Don't Need Prisons, We Need Morgues

We need the police or vigilantes to round up the gangs and execute them St. Valentine's Day Massacre style. Allowing any of them to live is as treasonous as if ISIS parachuted a gang into an American city and the subhuman beasts were treated the way the gangbangers are treated under the Liberals' soft-on-crime legislation.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Sanctuary cities are new enough to have no standard definition
What they are is a proclaimed location where lawbreakers can be shielded from the responsibility of their lawlessness via interference with, or lack of cooperation to, immigration authorities

You mean like, gun lovers and 10USC311?

Look you retard that law does not invalidate private ownership of firearms and the Supreme Court ruled the 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

10USC311 is not about Individuals.

It also is not about ownership of weapons and has nothing to do with the right to own possess and use firearms.

That concept is specifically, denied and disparaged in our Second Amendment; natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process. There is no need for natural rights or Individual Rights in our Second Amendment since it is about the Socialism and collectivism concerning the security needs of our free States.

Don't Believe Anything the Political Bullies Preach About Their Constitution

Follow the money. The Second Amendment is about plutocrats being too cheap to pay for a standing army and relying on self-armed self-trained militias instead. Self-defense is part of the self-training the cheapskate Chickenhawks wouldn't have to pay for. It is more warlike than hunting, since criminals will kill you if you don't kill them.

 

[toobfreak]

Low population red States are not a good example. Should we examine big cities, in red States?

Sure. Go right ahead! But if red states are not good examples, how can you count the cities in them???

 

[toobfreak]

This is straying a little bit but as per sanctuary cities, crime and guns in the US, which seems to be the direction of recent posts, implying that the problem is guns and America and not liberals and their policies, here are some uncomfortable facts for you. First, three charts.

Distribution of democrats vs. republicans. As you can see, all the democrats tend to huddle together like cockroaches in major metropolitan cities.

Distribution of gun deaths. As you can see, very high correlation of high crime areas and shootings and where democrats are, as well as with areas of strict gun controls.

More finely delineated map of gun crime per county, showing high correlation of gun crimes with democratic strongholds (see first map). Remove 3% of the countries (all democrat) and you eliminate 3 out of every 4 gun crimes.

Now, as to that terrible place America, the shoot-em-up capital of the world with their wild-west gun crazy conservatives:

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS
From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
And .............................................

The United States 4.2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL (109) of the countries above America have 100% gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list because it has
NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE:
1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications .... regularly .

Did you learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear - that gun bans and restrictions DO NOT work!

One more thing, Canada, New Zealand, England and Australia
after banning guns had a 300% increase in crime..
Now Did you learn anything?

One last point I will make. Serial killers and mass shooters in America. What the media does not want to tell you, some stats published from a few years back:

Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member?

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

Christopher Domer, LA Cop-Killer ~~~ Leftist, Obama lover, anti-christian, CNN, MSNBC, Piers Morgan, supports gun ban.

Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.

Any other questions? I might add that all of your sanctuary city strongholds are democratic as well.

 

[WEATHER53]

Compelling info above. Facts facts facts
Libs will hate it so you are likely a racist or sexist as fake emotions and fake offendedness is the usual counter "arguement"

 

[toobfreak]

I just looked at 2017 crime statistics. Right now, the USA is 53rd out of 125. There are 52 countries with a higher crime index. While that might not seem ideal, if you look at the countries with better stats, they are all very much less free. In absolute terms, we could be better, but when you consider how many guns we have, we are doing good. When you consider that 70% of our crimes occur in very limited, selective areas, our numbers are misleading. Get rid of liberals and their high crime neighborhoods, and we would be the bastions of the world. ITMT, we have infinitely more freedom than most of these other countries. Try going to any of these other countries and entering the country illegally, or talk about the president there like Stephen Colbert did the other day. See what happens to you.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does.....keep out the illegals.

Why would we want to emulate, Mexico's economy?

Emulating Mexico's Economy was never stated. People have issue with US and border state' policies keeping illegals out. Mexico does the same thing.

If you want to talk failure of the Mexican economy, we can open up another thread on that.

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does

..... When it comes to enforcing immigration laws.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does.....keep out the illegals.

Why would we want to emulate, Mexico's economy?

Treason Is Not a Businessman's Property Right

You keep saying things in which the reality is the exact opposite of what you're trying to get across. Mexicans wrecked their own economy; importing them will wreck ours.

Mexico killed off any notion of a healthy middle class.

 

[danielpalos]

You mean like, gun lovers and 10USC311?

Look you retard that law does not invalidate private ownership of firearms and the Supreme Court ruled the 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

10USC311 is not about Individuals.

It also is not about ownership of weapons and has nothing to do with the right to own possess and use firearms.

That concept is specifically, denied and disparaged in our Second Amendment; natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process. There is no need for natural rights or Individual Rights in our Second Amendment since it is about the Socialism and collectivism concerning the security needs of our free States.

Not according to the Supreme Court num nuts. And I repeat if individual rights are not protected by the Constitution then I guess all the other individual rights protected by the Constitution need to revert to the states right?

natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

There are No Natural rights recognized or secured by our Second Amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

federal law is federal law; we don't need to have any priorities, because the right wing, simply "hates illegals".

I don't hate illegals; most of them are very nice people.
But they have been part of the upset of America's economic structure.

Are you sure you are "independent" and not merely on the right wing?

Why do you believe illegal immigration is a problem in the US, under our form of Capitalism?

The United States is the world's largest national economy in nominal terms and second largest according to purchasing power parity (PPP), representing 22% of nominal global GDP and 17% of gross world product (GWP).[4] The United States' GDP was estimated to be $18.56 trillion in 2016.--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

Traders Are Traitors

Every office on Wall Street has a portrait of Vidkun Quisling.

did you know, that diversion is usually considered a fallacy; it is a favorite tactic of the right wing.

Saying That the Rich Create Jobs Is Like Saying That Vampires Create Blood

You call it a "diversion" because you are trying to control the debate by limiting it to claims about what we must allow Capitalists to do or all go bankrupt.

Nobody claims the rich don't create some jobs; the point is that they already get a capital gains preference to help create Jobs Booms. Why does the one percent, need a tax break.

 

[danielpalos]

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does.....keep out the illegals.

Why would we want to emulate, Mexico's economy?

Treason Is Not a Businessman's Property Right

You keep saying things in which the reality is the exact opposite of what you're trying to get across. Mexicans wrecked their own economy; importing them will wreck ours.

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does

 

[danielpalos]

If you are from Chicago, you know damn good and well that the vast majority of homicides are black on black gang violence. Why don't you address the real underlying causation instead of the instrument used?

1) Chicago isn't the whole country.
2) 80% of homicides, the victims and killer know each other.

1) Chicago is the murder capital of the US. 90% of their murders in 2016 were black on black gang violence. If you look at every other major city, the trend is the same. Remove gang violence from the equation, and the United States is per capita one of the safest countries in the world. So again I say, address the real issue and not the tool. The fact is that 7% of the population statistically commits over 50% of all crimes.

2) The statistic you quote was from a 1993 FBI study and is essentially meaningless data 25 years later.

We Don't Need Prisons, We Need Morgues

We need the police or vigilantes to round up the gangs and execute them St. Valentine's Day Massacre style. Allowing any of them to live is as treasonous as if ISIS parachuted a gang into an American city and the subhuman beasts were treated the way the gangbangers are treated under the Liberals' soft-on-crime legislation.

Just more, right wing fantasy?

We have a Second Amendment. We Need, better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated, militia.

 

[Indeependent]

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does.....keep out the illegals.

Why would we want to emulate, Mexico's economy?

Treason Is Not a Businessman's Property Right

You keep saying things in which the reality is the exact opposite of what you're trying to get across. Mexicans wrecked their own economy; importing them will wreck ours.

Texas is seeking to do the same thing Mexico does

Shoot trespassers dead?

 

[danielpalos]

You mean like, gun lovers and 10USC311?

Look you retard that law does not invalidate private ownership of firearms and the Supreme Court ruled the 2nd is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.

10USC311 is not about Individuals.

It also is not about ownership of weapons and has nothing to do with the right to own possess and use firearms.

That concept is specifically, denied and disparaged in our Second Amendment; natural rights are recognized and secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process. There is no need for natural rights or Individual Rights in our Second Amendment since it is about the Socialism and collectivism concerning the security needs of our free States.

Don't Believe Anything the Political Bullies Preach About Their Constitution

Follow the money. The Second Amendment is about plutocrats being too cheap to pay for a standing army and relying on self-armed self-trained militias instead. Self-defense is part of the self-training the cheapskate Chickenhawks wouldn't have to pay for. It is more warlike than hunting, since criminals will kill you if you don't kill them.

Tell it to the right wing. We don't need the expense of our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; we have a Second Amendment.