Debate Now The 2016 Campaign, Election and Aftermath

[Foxfyre]

As Rush said today it is negatives in a vacuum. Every pr diction of trumps demise has been wrong. Democrats are trying to force the PERCEPTION to be the fact and it will not happen with Donald trump, because he will fight back. That has been the problem in the last two presidential elections. The spotlight will not be only how bad trump is but also how much worse Hilary is, if she even makes it past the fbi primary.

And the strategy is really easy. How can anyone be worse than Obama. Failure after failure after failure. 10 trillion in debt, who could do worse? A healthcare system stood on its head in order to be in worse shape than we were 8 years ago. Worse race relations, worse outcomes for blacks, no increase in wages, less net worth for middle class, my fingers get tired typing in all of obamas failures. Hilary's the third term of Obama, more failure. And you can best believe trumps gonna ask all the African Americans how much longer they want to live and suffer on the democratic plantation. Latinos might just find trumps job agenda more believable than Hilary's. For trump anything is possible, the sky is the limit. For Hilary, she can only hope that the media will focus strictly on trump, because she cannot stand the light of day.

He definitely has broken all the rules. I get tickled at some of my female friends and colleagues who 'won't vote for Trump because he is a misogynist and is wishy washy on issues.' And all the pundits and talking heads constantly remind us of Trump's low favorability with women. And yet Republican/conservative/independent are voting for him in record numbers.

My personal brand of staunch feminism is that he treats women exactly as he does men--with the same kinds of sexist insults that we women think are okay to use with men but it isn't okay for men to use sexist criticism of women? The man isn't politically correct and that's one thing I really love about him. Plus, he has a stellar record in dealing with women in his personal life--equal pay for equal work, no glass ceilings in any of his organizations, etc. But he doesn't follow the rules we set down for everybody else in that and everywhere else.

And him being wishy washy on issues that shouldn't be the business of the federal government in the first place is not a deal breaker for me. It just tells me that he isn't an ideologue which also is a plus in my book.

So yes, if he points out how crappy the Democrats have been to blacks, Hispanics, women, everybody for the past eight years, and how his agenda will be very different, that could have a positive effect.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I really, really enjoy reading this thread.

 

[Toro]

I really, really enjoy reading this thread.

You're going to enjoy reading it even more on November 9.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I really, really enjoy reading this thread.

You're going to enjoy reading it even more on November 9.

You think there will be any fingers left after all of the hand wringing?

 

[Foxfyre]

The crowd started gathering early at Trump's rally at Costa Mesa CA last night:

And the thoughtful, intelligent, much more civilized, free speech loving opposition by the anti-Trump organizers:

 

[Shrimpbox]

Great pics fox. What a crowd. Republicans need to start right now asking Hilary if she is going to call the dogs off and disavow the violence perpetrated by Democratic Party anarchists, violence paid for by democratic operatives. Nail,her on it now. Ask her right now if she is going to call for calm during the r publican convention. Nail her on it now. Attack, attack attack. Put her on the defensive. Sick the undercover sleuths on the violent mobs and let's have some planned parenthood type videos showing democratic thugs planning violently to disturb the demonstrations of the trump people. Make,them own the civil,unrest and violence. Remind the media how polite, clean, and respectful the tea party was and contrast that with democratic hooligans and ask why the press is reporting this so much differently. Make them own it.

And I would just call attention once again to the hilaryites who can't say one thing about any accomplishments of their candidate but instead just continue to savage trump, not a winning strategy.

I am already slobbering at the mouth fox. So much red meat. By the way I am also available to be a guest on talk radio or any tv appearances.

Hilary is hearing the dogs barking.

 

[Foxfyre]

Great pics fox. What a crowd. Republicans need to start right now asking Hilary if she is going to call the dogs off and disavow the violence perpetrated by Democratic Party anarchists, violence paid for by democratic operatives. Nail,her on it now. Ask her right now if she is going to call for calm during the r publican convention. Nail her on it now. Attack, attack attack. Put her on the defensive. Sick the undercover sleuths on the violent mobs and let's have some planned parenthood type videos showing democratic thugs planning violently to disturb the demonstrations of the trump people. Make,them own the civil,unrest and violence. Remind the media how polite, clean, and respectful the tea party was and contrast that with democratic hooligans and ask why the press is reporting this so much differently. Make them own it.

And I would just call attention once again to the hilaryites who can't say one thing about any accomplishments of their candidate but instead just continue to savage trump, not a winning strategy.

I am already slobbering at the mouth fox. So much red meat. By the way I am also available to be a guest on talk radio or any tv appearances.

Hilary is hearing the dogs barking.

Hillary will just say they are Sanders people. But I can't imagine Republicans organizing a violent or angry protest at the Democratic Convention. I suppose it could happen, but unlikely.

 

[Shrimpbox]

That's not what I want fox. All you need is a surrogate similar to poodlehair Debbie Wass to constantly pound the airwaves with when is Hilary going to disavow the rioters and protesters and th violence. When is she going to disavow the organizers of these violent demonstrations. When is she going to sever ties with the people funding these violent attacks on peaceful rally goers. Get ahead of the curve and set the table for the riots Hilary is going to support at the repub convention. Hell, don't forget to say this is obamas fault for so demeaning trump. Remember it was Obama who said when asked if he could ever envision trump as president, and after a pause he said, maybe on snl. You cannot pause with the libs. They will cut your head off faster than Isis if you give them quarter.

 

[Toro]

Great pics fox. What a crowd. Republicans need to start right now asking Hilary if she is going to call the dogs off and disavow the violence perpetrated by Democratic Party anarchists, violence paid for by democratic operatives. Nail,her on it now. Ask her right now if she is going to call for calm during the r publican convention. Nail her on it now. Attack, attack attack. Put her on the defensive. Sick the undercover sleuths on the violent mobs and let's have some planned parenthood type videos showing democratic thugs planning violently to disturb the demonstrations of the trump people. Make,them own the civil,unrest and violence. Remind the media how polite, clean, and respectful the tea party was and contrast that with democratic hooligans and ask why the press is reporting this so much differently. Make them own it.

And I would just call attention once again to the hilaryites who can't say one thing about any accomplishments of their candidate but instead just continue to savage trump, not a winning strategy.

I am already slobbering at the mouth fox. So much red meat. By the way I am also available to be a guest on talk radio or any tv appearances.

Hilary is hearing the dogs barking.

Hillary will just say they are Sanders people. But I can't imagine Republicans organizing a violent or angry protest at the Democratic Convention. I suppose it could happen, but unlikely.

Trump supporters might do it at the GOP convention though.

Donald Trump Ally Plans Protests And Violence If Trump Does Not Win Nomination | RedState

 

[Foxfyre]

That's not what I want fox. All you need is a surrogate similar to poodlehair Debbie Wass to constantly pound the airwaves with when is Hilary going to disavow the rioters and protesters and th violence. When is she going to disavow the organizers of these violent demonstrations. When is she going to sever ties with the people funding these violent attacks on peaceful rally goers. Get ahead of the curve and set the table for the riots Hilary is going to support at the repub convention. Hell, don't forget to say this is obamas fault for so demeaning trump. Remember it was Obama who said when asked if he could ever envision trump as president, and after a pause he said, maybe on snl. You cannot pause with the libs. They will cut your head off faster than Isis if you give them quarter.

I know what you're saying Shrimp, but I just don't care all that much what Hillary says. I know who she is and what she is all about--or more accurately, what she is NOT all about--and I don't expect her to denounce violence when it is directed at her opposition. I'm sure she is happy to see it and she could care less who gets hurt. It just reinforces in my mind the character of many of her supporters and hopefully others will see that as well.

I'm focused on the character of the Republican party right now and pushing for them to do it right, get it right, and be much much better than the other side.

 

[Foxfyre]

Great pics fox. What a crowd. Republicans need to start right now asking Hilary if she is going to call the dogs off and disavow the violence perpetrated by Democratic Party anarchists, violence paid for by democratic operatives. Nail,her on it now. Ask her right now if she is going to call for calm during the r publican convention. Nail her on it now. Attack, attack attack. Put her on the defensive. Sick the undercover sleuths on the violent mobs and let's have some planned parenthood type videos showing democratic thugs planning violently to disturb the demonstrations of the trump people. Make,them own the civil,unrest and violence. Remind the media how polite, clean, and respectful the tea party was and contrast that with democratic hooligans and ask why the press is reporting this so much differently. Make them own it.

And I would just call attention once again to the hilaryites who can't say one thing about any accomplishments of their candidate but instead just continue to savage trump, not a winning strategy.

I am already slobbering at the mouth fox. So much red meat. By the way I am also available to be a guest on talk radio or any tv appearances.

Hilary is hearing the dogs barking.

Hillary will just say they are Sanders people. But I can't imagine Republicans organizing a violent or angry protest at the Democratic Convention. I suppose it could happen, but unlikely.

Trump supporters might do it at the GOP convention though.

Donald Trump Ally Plans Protests And Violence If Trump Does Not Win Nomination | RedState

Great pics fox. What a crowd. Republicans need to start right now asking Hilary if she is going to call the dogs off and disavow the violence perpetrated by Democratic Party anarchists, violence paid for by democratic operatives. Nail,her on it now. Ask her right now if she is going to call for calm during the r publican convention. Nail her on it now. Attack, attack attack. Put her on the defensive. Sick the undercover sleuths on the violent mobs and let's have some planned parenthood type videos showing democratic thugs planning violently to disturb the demonstrations of the trump people. Make,them own the civil,unrest and violence. Remind the media how polite, clean, and respectful the tea party was and contrast that with democratic hooligans and ask why the press is reporting this so much differently. Make them own it.

And I would just call attention once again to the hilaryites who can't say one thing about any accomplishments of their candidate but instead just continue to savage trump, not a winning strategy.

I am already slobbering at the mouth fox. So much red meat. By the way I am also available to be a guest on talk radio or any tv appearances.

Hilary is hearing the dogs barking.

Hillary will just say they are Sanders people. But I can't imagine Republicans organizing a violent or angry protest at the Democratic Convention. I suppose it could happen, but unlikely.

Trump supporters might do it at the GOP convention though.

Donald Trump Ally Plans Protests And Violence If Trump Does Not Win Nomination | RedState

That just is not typical of Republicans or conservatives or moderate independent though, so I don't believe it. Protests maybe. But violence? Not likely. I read Redstate now and then but am not as confident of their journalism as some other sites and they have been all over the map in this election cycle with no clear point of view at all.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course as the media has hyped almost every one of the primary elections as pivotal--we hear and read things like "if Trump wins tomorrow, he runs the table, and some such." But the media is now hyping the Indiana primary tomorrow as the watershed election for Trump and Cruz. It was Cruz's election to lose though, especially after Kasich agreed not to campaign in Indiana as an effort to stop Trump from getting those delegates. If Trump wins, it gives him a much better chance to clinch the delegates he needs to be the presumptive nominee.

But who is favored tomorrow depends on whose polls you believe. The RCP sampling though has Trump polling 40% or better by almost everybody, and Cruz polling in the low to mid 30% after pulling out all the stops in Indiana. Trump has focused on California this past week instead of Indiana but the rallies he has held in Indiana have drawn the typical massive crowds. Kasich is polling in the teens or 20% despite not campaigning there.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't expect them to admit it, but I have a gut feeling that even Cruz and Kasich supporters are just a bit intrigued of what a Trump presidency might do for the country. And I don't expect them to admit it, but I bet we have a fair number of closet Trump supporters among our progressive/liberal/political class friends too because deep down they know Hillary is not going to look good as President of the United States.

 

[Shrimpbox]

So we have a couple of polls showing trump beating Hilary. I thought it wasn't even close. Who wudda thunk?

 

[Toro]

I don't expect them to admit it, but I have a gut feeling that even Cruz and Kasich supporters are just a bit intrigued of what a Trump presidency might do for the country. And I don't expect them to admit it, but I bet we have a fair number of closet Trump supporters among our progressive/liberal/political class friends too because deep down they know Hillary is not going to look good as President of the United States.

If by "intrigued," you mean "horrified," you'd be correct.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't expect them to admit it, but I have a gut feeling that even Cruz and Kasich supporters are just a bit intrigued of what a Trump presidency might do for the country. And I don't expect them to admit it, but I bet we have a fair number of closet Trump supporters among our progressive/liberal/political class friends too because deep down they know Hillary is not going to look good as President of the United States.

If by "intrigued," you mean "horrified," you'd be correct.

But Toro, be honest. Don't you tilt left of center and therefore are neither a Cruz or Kasich supporter? I would easily believe that you are not a Trump supporter and of course not everybody will be or he would be winning by close to 100% everywhere.

It is interesting though that the Cruz and Kasich supporters seem to not be focused on their candidate of choice and spending most of their energy in promoting that person. They instead seem to be wholly consumed and focused on Trump. Likewise those on the left these days. I don't see most of them promoting the qualifications, positive attributes, and other qualities of their candidate of choice but they also seem to be wholly obsessed with Trump.

It has been a fascinating process to watch.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Let's get this party started. Thank you Cruz, that was done with class. So once again the chattering class said repubs were in disarray and now trump is the nominee and Clinton can't even beat a socialist who is going all the way to the convention. What happened to a brokered convention. Why do we even listen to these people. They are as clueless as you and me. The trump train is leaving the station, all aboard.

 

[Foxfyre]

Let's get this party started. Thank you Cruz, that was done with class. So once again the chattering class said repubs were in disarray and now trump is the nominee and Clinton can't even beat a socialist who is going all the way to the convention. What happened to a brokered convention. Why do we even listen to these people. They are as clueless as you and me. The trump train is leaving the station, all aboard.

Yes, Cruz bowed out with class, and Trump was completely classy in his victory speech tonight. The media is resigned to a Trump nomination now but they are really stepping up focus on Trump's negatives now. How is he going to overcome them? Fox News was ruthless on that tonight. But the RNC seems to be closing ranks behind Trump now and I for one am happy Sanders is staying in. There's still plenty of room on that train.

 

[Toro]

I don't expect them to admit it, but I have a gut feeling that even Cruz and Kasich supporters are just a bit intrigued of what a Trump presidency might do for the country. And I don't expect them to admit it, but I bet we have a fair number of closet Trump supporters among our progressive/liberal/political class friends too because deep down they know Hillary is not going to look good as President of the United States.

If by "intrigued," you mean "horrified," you'd be correct.

But Toro, be honest. Don't you tilt left of center and therefore are neither a Cruz or Kasich supporter? I would easily believe that you are not a Trump supporter and of course not everybody will be or he would be winning by close to 100% everywhere.

It is interesting though that the Cruz and Kasich supporters seem to not be focused on their candidate of choice and spending most of their energy in promoting that person. They instead seem to be wholly consumed and focused on Trump. Likewise those on the left these days. I don't see most of them promoting the qualifications, positive attributes, and other qualities of their candidate of choice but they also seem to be wholly obsessed with Trump.

It has been a fascinating process to watch.

I do not lean left. I have been a member of conservative parties in three different countries, including the Republicans today. But now that Trump is the nominee, I'm voting for Hillary. Had Bernie won, I'd vote Libertarian.

Trump is an embarrassment and totally unfit to hold the most powerful office on earth. Had it been any other candidate, I wouldn't vote for Hillary. And I would have voted for most of the other Republicans. But Trump is a disgrace, a demagogue who mocks, degrades, belittles, bullies and insults people. He is the lowest form of gutter politics I have seen in my life in this country.

People say "It can't get any worse." Yes, it can. It can get much, much worse.

It is fascinating though.

 

[Toro]

Let's get this party started. Thank you Cruz, that was done with class. So once again the chattering class said repubs were in disarray and now trump is the nominee and Clinton can't even beat a socialist who is going all the way to the convention. What happened to a brokered convention. Why do we even listen to these people. They are as clueless as you and me. The trump train is leaving the station, all aboard.

Yes, Cruz bowed out with class, and Trump was completely classy in his victory speech tonight. The media is resigned to a Trump nomination now but they are really stepping up focus on Trump's negatives now. How is he going to overcome them? Fox News was ruthless on that tonight. But the RNC seems to be closing ranks behind Trump now and I for one am happy Sanders is staying in. There's still plenty of room on that train.

Earlier in the day, Birfer Trump said that Cruz's father was with Lee Harvey Oswald. Cruz then responded that Trump was a pathological liar, and referenced Trump on Howard Stern when he said avoiding VD in the 1970s was his own personal Vietnam.

Quite the candidate you have there.