The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

Utter nonsense.

The U.S. is a not comparable to a largely homogenous small European country. We have people from all over the world here - including 20M plus illegal aliens.

How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.


You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

It's far cheaper to cook healthy food at home than to buy tons-o-crap junk food.

Based on calorie content, the cheapest food out there comes from McDonalds. You can get more than full days worth of calories with just one meal at McDonalds. Many people in low income areas don't actually live in house and do no have a care or other access to transportation. The grocery store if they know where one is, is much further away than the McDonalds where one meal will get you a days worth of calories.
 
Utter nonsense.

The U.S. is a not comparable to a largely homogenous small European country. We have people from all over the world here - including 20M plus illegal aliens.

How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.


You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.
No they can't. I just showed you that they can prepare an entire dinner for 4 people for $5.00. A single meal at McDonald's will cost more than $5.00.

The claim that they don't have any grocery stores near them is also fatuous. I lived in the hood in Baltimore for a year, and there were a number of grocery stores in the area.
 
Then move

Problem solved

I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

Actually they are on Medicaid and how does health insurance impact eating habits. I vehemently disagree with you.

It pays to see the doctor, nurse, nutritionist, and other health providers than can help people in poor and lower income communities live and lead healthier life styles.

How many people do you know that see nutritionists? Stop it. Obesity is also not just a disease of the poor. There are plenty of middle class and wealthy people who are fat. Open your eyes. Healthcare coverage and obesity are not related.
 
How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.


You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.


So now you think the Poor are innately less intelligent and unable to locate a grocery store.

Low income areas, poor housing, no transportation, no grocery store located nearby. Proximity and the price you pay for a calorie of food is what is critical here.
 
I'm interested in making my country a better place to live. I wanted it to be #1 in healthcare and quality of life.

Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

Actually they are on Medicaid and how does health insurance impact eating habits. I vehemently disagree with you.

It pays to see the doctor, nurse, nutritionist, and other health providers than can help people in poor and lower income communities live and lead healthier life styles.

How many people do you know that see nutritionists? Stop it. Obesity is also not just a disease of the poor. There are plenty of middle class and wealthy people who are fat. Open your eyes. Healthcare coverage and obesity are not related.

Yes they are. Obesity and health are definitely related to income level. Low income areas have less services and poorer education as well.
 
Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.


Yes, the Universal Healthcare Overlords will deal with the obesity issue by denying health care services to the fatties, thus causing them to die off much earlier. They'll do the same to the Aged, and anyone with expensive chronic conditions.

For the Common Good, donchaknow.

Universal Healthcare is one of the reasons why Europeans are healthier and live longer.

Utter nonsense.

The U.S. is a not comparable to a largely homogenous small European country. We have people from all over the world here - including 20M plus illegal aliens.

How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.

Do you agree or disagree that unhealthy aka fat people don’t normally live as long as those who are of healthy weight. Stop making it political. Open your eyes.
 
You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.


So now you think the Poor are innately less intelligent and unable to locate a grocery store.

Low income areas, poor housing, no transportation, no grocery store located nearby. Proximity and the price you pay for a calorie of food is what is critical here.

Good thing we have capitalism in this country. You can get a job and bump up those calories.
 
Then you want to be proactive and not reactive. We are the fattest country in the world. That is unhealthy and causes the shorter life spans. A ton of fast food and bad eats joints. Bad food costs less. Tackle that instead of universal healthcare because everyone in every party likely agrees that the country is fat

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

Actually they are on Medicaid and how does health insurance impact eating habits. I vehemently disagree with you.

It pays to see the doctor, nurse, nutritionist, and other health providers than can help people in poor and lower income communities live and lead healthier life styles.

How many people do you know that see nutritionists? Stop it. Obesity is also not just a disease of the poor. There are plenty of middle class and wealthy people who are fat. Open your eyes. Healthcare coverage and obesity are not related.

Yes they are. Obesity and health are definitely related to income level. Low income areas have less services and poorer education as well.

It is fewer services and no you’re wrong NOT just the poor are fat. Many middle class and upper class people are fat and die too early.
 
How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.


You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.
No they can't. I just showed you that they can prepare an entire dinner for 4 people for $5.00. A single meal at McDonald's will cost more than $5.00.

The claim that they don't have any grocery stores near them is also fatuous. I lived in the hood in Baltimore for a year, and there were a number of grocery stores in the area.

But a single meal at McDonalds can feed you for an entire day based on the calorie content. A healthy meal like you are describing won't do that.
 
Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

Actually they are on Medicaid and how does health insurance impact eating habits. I vehemently disagree with you.

It pays to see the doctor, nurse, nutritionist, and other health providers than can help people in poor and lower income communities live and lead healthier life styles.

How many people do you know that see nutritionists? Stop it. Obesity is also not just a disease of the poor. There are plenty of middle class and wealthy people who are fat. Open your eyes. Healthcare coverage and obesity are not related.

Yes they are. Obesity and health are definitely related to income level. Low income areas have less services and poorer education as well.

It is fewer services and no you’re wrong NOT just the poor are fat. Many middle class and upper class people are fat and die too early.

I never said only poor people were fat and unhealthy. I've said you have much higher rates of obesity and unhealthy situations among those in poverty and low incomes than you do among the middle class and rich.
 
Ok it seems like we’re chasing our own tails a bit. I think that we can all agree that we want our nation to have the highest quality health care within practical economic restraints. Where the differences arise is how to achieve that. Our federal government does not have a great track record of creating effective long lasting solutions for wide spread problems efficiently, and the private sector does not have a great track record of making ethical choices that negatively affect profit margins. So logic dictates that a truly effective and efficient solution must thread the needle between the two. Personally, I am very concerned with the idea of our federal government doing much beyond providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare, and protecting liberty now and for future generations. I am also deeply concerned about letting a free market make choices about health care driven by profit.
 
You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.
No they can't. I just showed you that they can prepare an entire dinner for 4 people for $5.00. A single meal at McDonald's will cost more than $5.00.

The claim that they don't have any grocery stores near them is also fatuous. I lived in the hood in Baltimore for a year, and there were a number of grocery stores in the area.

But a single meal at McDonalds can feed you for an entire day based on the calorie content. A healthy meal like you are describing won't do that.
The collective does not want a healthy public... They are too hard to control
 
No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.


So now you think the Poor are innately less intelligent and unable to locate a grocery store.

Low income areas, poor housing, no transportation, no grocery store located nearby. Proximity and the price you pay for a calorie of food is what is critical here.

Good thing we have capitalism in this country. You can get a job and bump up those calories.

Its harder to get a job in low income areas. If your physically or mentally ill In a low income area the situation gets much worse.
 
You guys scream over $5 billion for border security, yet see no problem with this-

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says

It is all about priorities. The D's prioritize people, the R's profit. It is really that simple.

All you prioritize are slogans and platitudes, Francis.

Grow up Oddhole, you/ve projected your entire work here as if it is me.
 
Ok it seems like we’re chasing our own tails a bit. I think that we can all agree that we want our nation to have the highest quality health care within practical economic restraints. Where the differences arise is how to achieve that. Our federal government does not have a great track record of creating effective long lasting solutions for wide spread problems efficiently, and the private sector does not have a great track record of making ethical choices that negatively affect profit margins. So logic dictates that a truly effective and efficient solution must thread the needle between the two. Personally, I am very concerned with the idea of our federal government doing much beyond providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare, and protecting liberty now and for future generations. I am also deeply concerned about letting a free market make choices about health care driven by profit.
The nanny state certainly is not the answer
 
How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.


You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

It's far cheaper to cook healthy food at home than to buy tons-o-crap junk food.

Based on calorie content, the cheapest food out there comes from McDonalds. You can get more than full days worth of calories with just one meal at McDonalds. Many people in low income areas don't actually live in house and do no have a care or other access to transportation. The grocery store if they know where one is, is much further away than the McDonalds where one meal will get you a days worth of calories.


The issue is not cheapness of calories. If someone got 2,000 calories per day on fast food, he likely would not be obese. It's that people eat 4,000, 5,000 or more of crap food. The cost of all of that is more than buying healthy ingredients and cooking at home.
 
Actually they are on Medicaid and how does health insurance impact eating habits. I vehemently disagree with you.

It pays to see the doctor, nurse, nutritionist, and other health providers than can help people in poor and lower income communities live and lead healthier life styles.

How many people do you know that see nutritionists? Stop it. Obesity is also not just a disease of the poor. There are plenty of middle class and wealthy people who are fat. Open your eyes. Healthcare coverage and obesity are not related.

Yes they are. Obesity and health are definitely related to income level. Low income areas have less services and poorer education as well.

It is fewer services and no you’re wrong NOT just the poor are fat. Many middle class and upper class people are fat and die too early.

I never said only poor people were fat and unhealthy. I've said you have much higher rates of obesity and unhealthy situations among those in poverty and low incomes than you do among the middle class and rich.

Not true again. As a % maybe but fatness is a US epidemic that Nationalized Healthcare would
Not solve. They are mutually exclusive issues. Do you understand that? Please reply with a simple yes or no. Thank you.
 
You are sorely misguided.

Genetics and the personal choices we make in how we live our lives are far bigger determinants of health than the patch of land one occupies (unless one lives in a toxic waste dump).

The poor in the U.S. are perfectly free to eat healthy food and get exercise. That they don't is due to the culture of dependency caused by Big Government support. Universal Healthcare just doubles down on something that is already failing. Those poor, by the way, ALREADY HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. As it is not making them healthier, expanding its scope is pointless at best, and disastrous at worst.

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.
Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.


So now you think the Poor are innately less intelligent and unable to locate a grocery store.

Low income areas, poor housing, no transportation, no grocery store located nearby. Proximity and the price you pay for a calorie of food is what is critical here.

Translation: The Poor are too stupid to figure out how to find and travel to a grocery store.
 
Ok it seems like we’re chasing our own tails a bit. I think that we can all agree that we want our nation to have the highest quality health care within practical economic restraints. Where the differences arise is how to achieve that. Our federal government does not have a great track record of creating effective long lasting solutions for wide spread problems efficiently, and the private sector does not have a great track record of making ethical choices that negatively affect profit margins. So logic dictates that a truly effective and efficient solution must thread the needle between the two. Personally, I am very concerned with the idea of our federal government doing much beyond providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare, and protecting liberty now and for future generations. I am also deeply concerned about letting a free market make choices about health care driven by profit.
There hasn't been a free market for medical services since the enactment of Medicare/Medicaid.
 

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