The 50 most developed countries in the world and Universal Healthcare.

[U2Edge]

Yes...actually, it is. Once the government takes over healthcare, they stop providing quality healthcare, so overweight people die....then, the government increases the economic collapse of the country so that food becomes so hard to get, people lose weight because they run out of house pets to eat.......

Where does this happen in Europe?

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

 

[EL Rich]

Ok it seems like we’re chasing our own tails a bit. I think that we can all agree that we want our nation to have the highest quality health care within practical economic restraints. Where the differences arise is how to achieve that. Our federal government does not have a great track record of creating effective long lasting solutions for wide spread problems efficiently, and the private sector does not have a great track record of making ethical choices that negatively affect profit margins. So logic dictates that a truly effective and efficient solution must thread the needle between the two. Personally, I am very concerned with the idea of our federal government doing much beyond providing for the common defense, promoting the general welfare, and protecting liberty now and for future generations. I am also deeply concerned about letting a free market make choices about health care driven by profit.

There hasn't been a free market for medical services since the enactment of Medicare/Medicaid.

I’m not sure I agree with you completely there. Drug prices seem to be driven by demand and when a company owns a patent they control the supply. A couple of linear equations later and they have a sweet spot to charge as much as they can without effecting demand. So while I agree whole heartedly that Medicare/Medicaid has altered the market a bit, I don’t think it is accurate to categorize it as a controlled market.

 

[U2Edge]

No its because low income areas of the United States have poor access to health care and good quality food at an affordable price. When you have conditions like that, the results are not surprising.

Bullshit. Show me one grocery store than doesn't have chicken, rice, carrots or broccoli.

In low income areas, many people live closer to a McDonalds than a grocery store. That can also get more calories for a lower price at McDonalds than at the grocery store.

No they can't. I just showed you that they can prepare an entire dinner for 4 people for $5.00. A single meal at McDonald's will cost more than $5.00.

The claim that they don't have any grocery stores near them is also fatuous. I lived in the hood in Baltimore for a year, and there were a number of grocery stores in the area.

But a single meal at McDonalds can feed you for an entire day based on the calorie content. A healthy meal like you are describing won't do that.

Someone eating only a single meal a day at McDs is not the morbidly obese person you are whinging about.

Its an example that helps explain the higher rates of obesity among those in poverty and the lower class as compared to the middle class and rich.

 

[sparky]

Government control will just make the system worse for everyone -.

So can capitalism Boe

Or have you not noted those quicky mart collection cans w/childrens faces on them?

~S~

 

[boedicca]

World's fattest countries: U.S. is #20. Note, we also have the most culturally and ethnically mixed country in the world.

Where does this happen in Europe?

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

Congratulations on your demonstrable Prog Brainwashing.

 

[boedicca]

Government control will just make the system worse for everyone -.

So can capitalism Boe

Or have you not noted those quicky mart collection cans w/childrens faces on them?

~S~

I have no idea what you are talking about. What is a Quicky Mart Collection of Cans With Children's Faces? Are you claiming that some Capitalist has canned children as food products?

 

[U2Edge]

U2Edge you must have conveniently missed my post from yesterday. Hopefully it doesn’t destroy your narrative.

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?"
A few other questions you may have an interest in.....
Do other nations steal from their best citizens to pay for tens of millions of illegal third-world wetbacks and their litters of anchor babies?
What are the average income tax rates in those nations you speak of?
Why do so many folks from those nations you speak of travel to the U.S. for healthcare?
How large is their bottom feeding class that contributes nothing and takes the most?

Yes, other nations properly tax their rich unlike the United States which is a GOOD THING!
The United States needs more latin American immigrants to achieve consistent 3% real GDP growth per year. There is a labor shortage in this country. 7.3 million jobs unfilled. We need more people from Central America to be crossing the border. Immigrants commit less crime than citizens, work harder and are more productive than citizens, tend to be more religious, have more children and are more devoted to family, and serve in the U.S. military in higher percentages than upper income American citizens.

The average income tax rates in Europe are about 50% to 150% more than in the United States. The tax rates are progressive weighted towards the rich. Its how taxes should be done here in the United States.

Most Europeans don't travel to the United States for healthcare.

Okay cool...thanks for the transparency...it seemed like you were disguising your motive a little bit....I just wanted to expose you as yet another beggar...just another beggar who firmly believes he’s entitled to others shit because he breathes oxygen in a wealthy nation. Cool, carry on with your discreet begging.

The rich in the United States were born into the country. They were born into the market that made the rich. Its the U.S. market that decides what their paid and the value of their house and estates, not them. If they had been born in Somalia their fate would be much the same as people born in Somalia today. Because the rich benefit the most from being born into the U.S. market, they must pay a much higher percentage of their gains in taxes to help protect that market and continue to build it. Again, without the U.S. market, the rich would not have what they have today.

When the rich are not paying large percentages in taxes, they are essentially stealing from the country they were born into and profit from.

 

[U2Edge]

Universal Healthcare is the best way to make progress on the overweight/obese issue. Most of the overweight/obese issues are with people in poverty or in the lower class with no health insurance at all.

Yes...actually, it is. Once the government takes over healthcare, they stop providing quality healthcare, so overweight people die....then, the government increases the economic collapse of the country so that food becomes so hard to get, people lose weight because they run out of house pets to eat.......

Where does this happen in Europe?

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

Only to United Kingdom, Ireland, and Canada.

 

[bripat9643]

Where does this happen in Europe?

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

They only live about 6 months longer, and since the influx of Muzzie savages, their life expectancy is going down.

 

[Oddball]

I’m not sure I agree with you completely there. Drug prices seem to be driven by demand and when a company owns a patent they control the supply. A couple of linear equations later and they have a sweet spot to charge as much as they can without effecting demand. So while I agree whole heartedly that Medicare/Medicaid has altered the market a bit, I don’t think it is accurate to categorize it as a controlled market.

Drug prices are largely driven by the $500 million and ten years it takes to get over the bureaucratic FDA hurdles in place, in order to bring a new medication or device to market...This insures that only the biggest of BigPharm companies can operate...What does that have to do with a free market?

 

[U2Edge]

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

They only live about 6 months longer, and since the influx of Muzzie savages, their life expectancy is going down.

When comparing average life expectancy, just few years or even 6 months is a significant amount. Better healthcare, at lower cost, provided to everyone. Win, win, and win!

 

[boedicca]

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

They only live about 6 months longer, and since the influx of Muzzie savages, their life expectancy is going down.

The U.S. life expectancy is affected by drug-gang murders, overdoses, and suicides. These are not healthcare system availability issues. Root cause is our inane War on Drug policies which turned drug dealing into a career for uneducated poor people and a wholesale business for their suppliers. And all of this was grossly enabled by the Great Society Programs which destroyed family formation. Boys need fathers. The ones who grow up with out them in poor neighborhoods are especially susceptible to gang and drug dealer recruitment.

 

[EL Rich]

Where does this happen in Europe?

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

Your posts make me think of an equivalent I heard lately regarding the difference between a million and a billion (or millionaires and billionaires). 1 million seconds is about 11 days, 1 billion seconds is about 30 years. So yes, I agree that taxing the ultra-wealthy more is probably what is best for our society, that said raising taxes on anyone else traditionally stifles economic growth in virtually all sectors other than public employees. I don’t feel as confident as you seem to, that vast government spending and large government agencies to deliver health care will automatically improve the care being delivered to those who need it most, though. In all fairness, attempts at communism (socialism’s extreme cousin) have all resulted in direct and indirect carnage for populations. Not to say you’re advocating communism, but in order for the federal government to take over health care in this country we would have to allow our government to completely control that sector of the economy, no?

 

[sparky]

Government control will just make the system worse for everyone -.

So can capitalism Boe

Or have you not noted those quicky mart collection cans w/childrens faces on them?

~S~

I have no idea what you are talking about. What is a Quicky Mart Collection of Cans With Children's Faces? Are you claiming that some Capitalist has canned children as food products?

You never had a sick child in your neighborhood ?, or simply were not aware of them?

It's hard to imagine not being aware of all the fund raisers that go on , all health care related, and so many focused on a sick child

And yes, they ALL had some sort of HC policy......No, they weren't all the spawn of welfare queens & bums

But i guess we see what we want to , as well as dent what we'd like

So while you may paint universal HC with fallicous names like communist , turnaround is fair play

I get to call the insurance cabal and it supporters here heartless ,souless tools of the devil

~S~

 

[bripat9643]

U2Edge you must have conveniently missed my post from yesterday. Hopefully it doesn’t destroy your narrative.

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?"
A few other questions you may have an interest in.....
Do other nations steal from their best citizens to pay for tens of millions of illegal third-world wetbacks and their litters of anchor babies?
What are the average income tax rates in those nations you speak of?
Why do so many folks from those nations you speak of travel to the U.S. for healthcare?
How large is their bottom feeding class that contributes nothing and takes the most?

Yes, other nations properly tax their rich unlike the United States which is a GOOD THING!
The United States needs more latin American immigrants to achieve consistent 3% real GDP growth per year. There is a labor shortage in this country. 7.3 million jobs unfilled. We need more people from Central America to be crossing the border. Immigrants commit less crime than citizens, work harder and are more productive than citizens, tend to be more religious, have more children and are more devoted to family, and serve in the U.S. military in higher percentages than upper income American citizens.

The average income tax rates in Europe are about 50% to 150% more than in the United States. The tax rates are progressive weighted towards the rich. Its how taxes should be done here in the United States.

Most Europeans don't travel to the United States for healthcare.

Okay cool...thanks for the transparency...it seemed like you were disguising your motive a little bit....I just wanted to expose you as yet another beggar...just another beggar who firmly believes he’s entitled to others shit because he breathes oxygen in a wealthy nation. Cool, carry on with your discreet begging.

The rich in the United States were born into the country. They were born into the market that made the rich. Its the U.S. market that decides what their paid and the value of their house and estates, not them. If they had been born in Somalia their fate would be much the same as people born in Somalia today. Because the rich benefit the most from being born into the U.S. market, they must pay a much higher percentage of their gains in taxes to help protect that market and continue to build it. Again, without the U.S. market, the rich would not have what they have today.

When the rich are not paying large percentages in taxes, they are essentially stealing from the country they were born into and profit from.

ROFL! Sorry, but the government is where tax money goes, and I see no reason that taxes should not be based on the cost of the services you use. The gas station doesn't charge the rich 10 times the price it charges the poor, so why should government?

Anything else is organized plunder.

The rich benefit from working hard and producing products that people want to buy. Government did nothing.

 

[boedicca]

In the UK, the NHS exterminates expensive to care for elderly:

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year | Daily Mail Online

Thousands of elderly patients may have died prematurely due to faulty opiate syringe pumps | Daily Mail Online

Yet, people in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States!

Yes because they have better eating habits overall in Europe. Nothing to do with healthcare. Mutually exclusive. Have you ever traveled?

About that myth that people in the UK are healthier: they're getting tubbier too.

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.

It's a common problem in the UK that's estimated to affect around one in every four adults.

In 2016 according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development nearly 27 per cent of adults in the United Kingdom were obese, the highest proportion in Western Europe and a 92 per cent increase since 1996.

It's claimed that by 2030, half of the UK could be obese if the trends continue.

In September 2018, a UN study reported the UK was the third-fattest nation in Europe - behind just Turkey and Malta with an obesity rate of 27.8 per cent.

And in December the UK was crowned the 26th fattest country in the world.

What is the obesity crisis, how does alcohol affect your weight and how can childhood obesity be prevented?

People in the UK on average live longer than people in the United States. They spend less on healthcare and everyone is provided healthcare.

Your posts make me think of an equivalent I heard lately regarding the difference between a million and a billion (or millionaires and billionaires). 1 million seconds is about 11 days, 1 billion seconds is about 30 years. So yes, I agree that taxing the ultra-wealthy more is probably what is best for our society, that said raising taxes on anyone else traditionally stifles economic growth in virtually all sectors other than public employees. I don’t feel as confident as you seem to, that vast government spending and large government agencies to deliver health care will automatically improve the care being delivered to those who need it most, though. In all fairness, attempts at communism (socialism’s extreme cousin) have all resulted in direct and indirect carnage for populations. Not to say you’re advocating communism, but in order for the federal government to take over health care in this country we would have to allow our government to completely control that sector of the economy, no?

The target of increased taxes is always the Kulaks (successful middle class) because there just aren't enough Uber Rich to pay for everything:

Feed Your Family on $10 Billion a Day
Seems like these days I hear a lot of whiney whiners whining about "out of control government spending" and "insane deficits" and such, trying to make hay out of a bunch of pointy-head boring finance hooey. Sure, $3.7 trillion of spending sounds like a big number. "Oh, boo-hoo, how are we going to get $3.7 trillion dollars? We're broke, boo-hoo-hoo," whine the whiners. What these skinflint crybabies fail to realize is that $3.7 trillion is for an entire year - which translates into only a measly $10 billion per day!

Mister, I call that a bargain. Especially since it pays for all of us - you and me, the whole American family. Like all families, we Americas have to pay for things - health, food, safety, uncle Dave America with his drinking problem. And when little Billy America wants that new quad runner they promised, do Mom and Dad America deny him? No, they get a second job at Circle K, because they know little Billy might have one of his episodes and burn down the house.

So let's all sit down together as an American family with a calendar and make a yearly budget. First, let's lock in the $3.7 trillion of critical family spending priorities; now let's get to work on collecting the pay-as-we-go $10 billion daily cash flow we need.

12:01 AM, January 1
Let's start the year out right by going after some evil corporations and their obscene profits. And who is more evil than those twin spawns of Lucifer himself, Exxon Mobil and Walmart? Together these two largest American industrial behemoths raked in, between them, $34 billion in 2010 global profits. Let's teach 'em both a lesson and confiscate it for the public good. This will get us through...

9:52 AM January 4
Okay, maybe I underestimated our take. But we shouldn't let Exxon and Walmart distract us from all those other corporate profiteers out there worth shaking down. In fact, why don't we grab every cent of 2010 profit made by the other 498 members of the Fortune 500? That will net us another, let's see, $357 billion! Enough to get us to...

2:00 AM February 9
So we're running out of corporate cash, but look - it's Super Bowl time! As we all know, the game has become a crass disgusting festival of commercialism. So let's take all the TV ad money spent on stupid Super Bowl ads, and apply that to government needs. That would be $250 million, enough to fund us for, let's see... 36 minutes. The half time show, at least. But why stop there? Let's take every cent of ad money spent on all 45 Super Bowls, a cool $5 billion, which would cover us until...

2:00 PM February 9
Speaking of sports, why should the players be immune to our pressing public needs? Lord knows professional athletes make obscene salaries for playing a dumb game. So let's take the combined salaries of all players in the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA, and the NHL. Hey, they've got endorsement deals, they'll hardly miss it. Throw in the total winnings of everybody on the PGA tour and NASCAR, and we get $9.4 billion, enough to get us through until...

1:00 PM February 10
Okay, it's time to stop messing around. Athletes aren't the only ones greedily raking it in. What about America's rich - those fancy pants fat cats living the high life in the above-$250,000 income bracket? According to IRS statistics, these 1.93% of US households are hogging 25% of US income. And why do they need it? For crying out loud, they probably stole it anyway. I say let's take 100% of every penny they make above $250,000. They can use the rest to pay their state and local taxes. Now we're talking big bucks, brother. How much? Let's see...

A: Number of US households: 116,000,000
B: Average US household income: $68,000 (median = $52,000)
C: Total US household income (A * B): $7.89 trillion
D: Percent of households above $250k income: 1.93%
E: Number of households above $250k income (A*D): 2,238,800
F: Percent of national income earned by households making $250k or more = 25%
G: Total income of households making $250k or more (C*F): $1.97 trillion
H: Total income of households in excess of $250k (G - E*$250,000) = $1.412 trillion

Feed Your Family on $10 Billion a Day

 

[EL Rich]

I’m not sure I agree with you completely there. Drug prices seem to be driven by demand and when a company owns a patent they control the supply. A couple of linear equations later and they have a sweet spot to charge as much as they can without effecting demand. So while I agree whole heartedly that Medicare/Medicaid has altered the market a bit, I don’t think it is accurate to categorize it as a controlled market.

Drug prices are largely driven by the $500 million and ten years it takes to get over the bureaucratic FDA hurdles in place, in order to bring a new medication or device to market...This insures that only the biggest of BigPharm companies can operate...What does that have to do with a free market?

You’re correct that the FDA has created a burden on pharmaceutical companies and part of our higher drug costs are attributable to that factor. However, pharmaceutical companies also pass much of the cost of development and research onto American consumers because most other modern countries set price ceilings on what companies can charge, we do not. So while we certainly have government inflicted hurdles, the government does not directly affect market prices.

 

[boedicca]

Government control will just make the system worse for everyone -.

So can capitalism Boe

Or have you not noted those quicky mart collection cans w/childrens faces on them?

~S~

I have no idea what you are talking about. What is a Quicky Mart Collection of Cans With Children's Faces? Are you claiming that some Capitalist has canned children as food products?

You never had a sick child in your neighborhood ?, or simply were not aware of them?

It's hard to imagine not being aware of all the fund raisers that go on , all health care related, and so many focused on a sick child

And yes, they ALL had some sort of HC policy......No, they weren't all the spawn of welfare queens & bums

But i guess we see what we want to , as well as dent what we'd like

So while you may paint universal HC with fallicous names like communist , turnaround is fair play

I get to call the insurance cabal and it supporters here heartless ,souless tools of the devil

~S~

Ah - so you're just doing a performance art rendition of the Autorantic Moonbat.

Got it.

In RealityLand:

Voluntary Charity is perfectly compatible with Capitalism, Civil Society and Human Decency.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Utter nonsense.

The U.S. is a not comparable to a largely homogenous small European country. We have people from all over the world here - including 20M plus illegal aliens.

How long you live is not based on race or what country you came from, its based on where you live currently and the environment and conditions you are CURRENTLY living in.

Do you agree or disagree that unhealthy aka fat people don’t normally live as long as those who are of healthy weight. Stop making it political. Open your eyes.

You have higher rates of obesity among those in poverty and the lower class in the United States than you do in the Middle Class or rich in the United States. People in poverty or the lower class often have poor access to education, healthcare and good quality food at an affordable price.

Yes and Nationalized Healthcare would not solve that. If I have a leaky roof, fixing my toilet won’t fix the roof lol. Sir, with all due respect you are just writing and not reading what I am writing.

It would, because then people in low income areas would have access to food and healthcare that they are currently not receiving.

How so exactly? Food and healthcare are mutually exclusive and again they have access now. This debate is pointless you’re arguing just to argue without any tangible facts. You’re no Edge.

 

[BrokeLoser]

U2Edge you must have conveniently missed my post from yesterday. Hopefully it doesn’t destroy your narrative.

“Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?"
A few other questions you may have an interest in.....
Do other nations steal from their best citizens to pay for tens of millions of illegal third-world wetbacks and their litters of anchor babies?
What are the average income tax rates in those nations you speak of?
Why do so many folks from those nations you speak of travel to the U.S. for healthcare?
How large is their bottom feeding class that contributes nothing and takes the most?

Yes, other nations properly tax their rich unlike the United States which is a GOOD THING!
The United States needs more latin American immigrants to achieve consistent 3% real GDP growth per year. There is a labor shortage in this country. 7.3 million jobs unfilled. We need more people from Central America to be crossing the border. Immigrants commit less crime than citizens, work harder and are more productive than citizens, tend to be more religious, have more children and are more devoted to family, and serve in the U.S. military in higher percentages than upper income American citizens.

The average income tax rates in Europe are about 50% to 150% more than in the United States. The tax rates are progressive weighted towards the rich. Its how taxes should be done here in the United States.

Most Europeans don't travel to the United States for healthcare.

Okay cool...thanks for the transparency...it seemed like you were disguising your motive a little bit....I just wanted to expose you as yet another beggar...just another beggar who firmly believes he’s entitled to others shit because he breathes oxygen in a wealthy nation. Cool, carry on with your discreet begging.

The rich in the United States were born into the country. They were born into the market that made the rich. Its the U.S. market that decides what their paid and the value of their house and estates, not them. If they had been born in Somalia their fate would be much the same as people born in Somalia today. Because the rich benefit the most from being born into the U.S. market, they must pay a much higher percentage of their gains in taxes to help protect that market and continue to build it. Again, without the U.S. market, the rich would not have what they have today.

When the rich are not paying large percentages in taxes, they are essentially stealing from the country they were born into and profit from.

Oh boy, you are comical...your level of begging and the basis for it is downright facinating.
Soooo, the rich folks of this nation were predestined to be rich simply because they were born on this soil? Well then....Why aren’t all who were born here rich? Why are you begging for my shit...you weren’t born here?