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Reagan also said, "No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!"It will be short term, because it always will be a failure.We are going to end up with UCH sooner or later.
And the dumb cucks won't even realize it is their own fault.
Sad.
I think Ronald Reagan said it best...
I’ll paraphrase I can’t recall the exact quote...
the scariest words... we are from the government and we are here to help
Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
It will collapse under its own weight… Like every thing else that is born of socialismReagan also said, "No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!"It will be short term, because it always will be a failure.We are going to end up with UCH sooner or later.
And the dumb cucks won't even realize it is their own fault.
Sad.
I think Ronald Reagan said it best...
I’ll paraphrase I can’t recall the exact quote...
the scariest words... we are from the government and we are here to help
Once we have UHC, it will never go away.
And it will be your fault, cuck.
Trump promised the rubes a repeal and replace. Instead, he fucked them in the ass.
And the dumb fucks are glorifying him because he used some lubricant.
"He got rid of the mandate!"
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
Nope not anecdotal evidence. Neither would I claim to speak for all countries that have socialized medicine, unless I'm sure it's true for all of them.Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Sounds like what you're asking is if we're willing to accept your anecdotal "evidence" as representative of both systems in general.
The answer would be no.
Trump promised the rubes a repeal and replace. Instead, he fucked them in the ass.
And the dumb fucks are glorifying him because he used some lubricant.
"He got rid of the mandate!"
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
They have this new thing it’s called google, look it up.1111
Before the Unaffordable care act was ENFORCED, where some people didnt want to buy health insurance but now had to or be taxed, the life expectancy was very high, around 80 years old. But since the Dimwitocraps behind closed doors FORCED this boondoggle of a bill upon US (thanks to the stupidity of the liberal voter) the "life expectancy" decreased for the first time. Thanks Obama.The common sense thing? 2005 I needed drugs. The drug was an injectable. It was four shots a month, one month supply cost $1,750 bucks per month. The pills I took with the shot cost $375 a month. On Obama care it’s $120+- plus any specialist. I payed nothing for that and no, I didn’t get medicade, I made to much money. I went to the drug company, provided a W2 and I got all those drugs for free. Today, I take drugs for my lungs. Those are $460 a month. Since polititions in Washington who still get the best private insurance tax payers can provide messed with healthcare, drug companies no longer have these programs. If you like it so much move where they have it. If you already live in a place that has it, keep it.
Sorry, but the facts of life expectancy and Universal Healthcare coverage show that the United States would benefit from a system of Universal Healthcare. Europeans have it, they live longer on average than Americans. That's an indisputable fact.
Life Expectancy In U.S. Drops For First Time In Decades, Report FindsSo the news out of the federal government Thursday is disturbing: The overall U.S. death rate has increased for the first time in a decade, according to an analysis of the latest data. And that led to a drop in overall life expectancy for the first time since 1993, particularly among people younger than 65.
FACT: People in countries with Universal Health care live longer on average than people in countries without Universal Healthcare.
Fact: Starting an assertion of your opinion with the word "fact" doesn't make it one.
Nope not anecdotal evidence. Neither would I claim to speak for all countries that have socialized medicine, unless I'm sure it's true for all of them.Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Sounds like what you're asking is if we're willing to accept your anecdotal "evidence" as representative of both systems in general.
The answer would be no.
Ah we're doing anecdotes now? I'll give you one in my own experience. My wife, (before we were married), was visiting me in Belgium. She took a misstep on my landing and had a compound ancle fracture. I took her to the emergency room. She was seen within the hour. Had an emergency reconstructive surgery the same afternoon. And was given a follow up appointment. She was back home that evening. After, she couldn't believe nobody had asked for anything but known allergies, and her passport. There was no thought of how she would pay for the care. ( I ended up paying for it, about 500 euro's. This included emergency care, x-rays and the surgeons time.) Can you match that?I’ll never forget old man explaining why he did all he did to get us here. He worked in a tire shop in Scotland, and traveled to Alaska to can fish. He ended up at port Hueneme partying with Seabees. He really liked Americans. He liked the potentials to earn, and finally, he had an impacted tooth that made him very sick. He was fixed in three days.
Hey, dumbshit. I predicted many years ago right here on this forum that Obamacare was going to be a failure, fuckwit.Trump promised the rubes a repeal and replace. Instead, he fucked them in the ass.
And the dumb fucks are glorifying him because he used some lubricant.
"He got rid of the mandate!"
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
That piece of shit Obama promised you stupid and gullible Moon Bats $2500 a year reduction in health care cost.
You were some dumb mutherfucker believing the lying bastard, weren't you?
I want you to remember in 2019 that you were told today that ObamaCare is going to bankrupt your state.
By that time, Obama will be retired on the golf course, laughing his ass off. And when your fellow citizens get slammed with a higher state tax bill, and your fellow citizens find their state benefits abruptly cut back, you should probably know that Obama will have a lot of Secret Service protection. And he will need it.
That is Obama's way. Shower you with free gifts and pushing the costs out until long after he is gone. Just so you will swallow his c**k and vote for him.
Remember. 2019. You were warned way ahead of time. You were warned today.
I've been to the US for extended periods. My mother in law was an RN in the State of New York. In fact I have numerous friends and family living in the US. I live in Belgium with my wife.Nope not anecdotal evidence. Neither would I claim to speak for all countries that have socialized medicine, unless I'm sure it's true for all of them.Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Sounds like what you're asking is if we're willing to accept your anecdotal "evidence" as representative of both systems in general.
The answer would be no.
No? So what is "I have first hand experience of both" supposed to be, then?
Great Britain isn’t a homogeneous society either. They have plenty of blacks, Asians and especially mooselimbs.They have this new thing it’s called google, look it up.1111
Before the Unaffordable care act was ENFORCED, where some people didnt want to buy health insurance but now had to or be taxed, the life expectancy was very high, around 80 years old. But since the Dimwitocraps behind closed doors FORCED this boondoggle of a bill upon US (thanks to the stupidity of the liberal voter) the "life expectancy" decreased for the first time. Thanks Obama.Sorry, but the facts of life expectancy and Universal Healthcare coverage show that the United States would benefit from a system of Universal Healthcare. Europeans have it, they live longer on average than Americans. That's an indisputable fact.
Life Expectancy In U.S. Drops For First Time In Decades, Report FindsSo the news out of the federal government Thursday is disturbing: The overall U.S. death rate has increased for the first time in a decade, according to an analysis of the latest data. And that led to a drop in overall life expectancy for the first time since 1993, particularly among people younger than 65.
FACT: People in countries with Universal Health care live longer on average than people in countries without Universal Healthcare.
Fact: Starting an assertion of your opinion with the word "fact" doesn't make it one.
I have this thing called "Not wasting my time." You make an assertion, YOU prove it. If my choice is Googling to try to prove YOUR bullshit for you or simply labeling you as a lying asswipe because you didn't prove it yourself, guess which one I'm picking.
I've been to the US for extended periods. My mother in law was an RN in the State of New York. In fact I have numerous friends and family living in the US. I live in Belgium with my wife.Nope not anecdotal evidence. Neither would I claim to speak for all countries that have socialized medicine, unless I'm sure it's true for all of them.Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Sounds like what you're asking is if we're willing to accept your anecdotal "evidence" as representative of both systems in general.
The answer would be no.
No? So what is "I have first hand experience of both" supposed to be, then?
Good thing? We weren't married. There was absolutely no way that I could be held accountable for the costs incurred. I payed because it was the right thing to do, not out of legal obligation. As to cancer, no she still would have received the required care.Ah we're doing anecdotes now? I'll give you one in my own experience. My wife, (before we were married), was visiting me in Belgium. She took a misstep on my landing and had a compound ancle fracture. I took her to the emergency room. She was seen within the hour. Had an emergency reconstructive surgery the same afternoon. And was given a follow up appointment. She was back home that evening. After, she couldn't believe nobody had asked for anything but known allergies, and her passport. There was no thought of how she would pay for the care. ( I ended up paying for it, about 500 euro's. This included emergency care, x-rays and the surgeons time.) Can you match that?I’ll never forget old man explaining why he did all he did to get us here. He worked in a tire shop in Scotland, and traveled to Alaska to can fish. He ended up at port Hueneme partying with Seabees. He really liked Americans. He liked the potentials to earn, and finally, he had an impacted tooth that made him very sick. He was fixed in three days.
Nope. Never been to Europe. Good thing you had $500 Eurostar though. In 1995 I was a navy reservist. While at elder reek road in Sacramento I was goofing off at the capital trying to get an orange out of a tree. I fell and separated my AC. ER visit, $60.00. Surgery ? Can’t remember. Don’t think I payed for it. America ain’t Europe. But thank god your best half didn’t have cancer. Air fare to America is well over $500 euro.
I've been to the US for extended periods. My mother in law was an RN in the State of New York. In fact I have numerous friends and family living in the US. I live in Belgium with my wife.Nope not anecdotal evidence. Neither would I claim to speak for all countries that have socialized medicine, unless I'm sure it's true for all of them.Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Sounds like what you're asking is if we're willing to accept your anecdotal "evidence" as representative of both systems in general.
The answer would be no.
No? So what is "I have first hand experience of both" supposed to be, then?
Fact remains people in the US die because some medical care is prohibitively expensive for a significant portion of the populace. I'm sure there are circumstances were medical care in the US is preferable. I'm talking about what medical care system is better for the LARGEST percentage of the populace.I've been to the US for extended periods. My mother in law was an RN in the State of New York. In fact I have numerous friends and family living in the US. I live in Belgium with my wife.Nope not anecdotal evidence. Neither would I claim to speak for all countries that have socialized medicine, unless I'm sure it's true for all of them.Undoubtedly there are some treatments that the US gives access to, which are less available in other countries. On the other hand the reverse is also true. I'm European, my wife's American. Unlike you, I have actual first hand experience in both healthcare and social systems. Are you willing to make an actual comparison?
Sounds like what you're asking is if we're willing to accept your anecdotal "evidence" as representative of both systems in general.
The answer would be no.
No? So what is "I have first hand experience of both" supposed to be, then?
Good deal. Fact remains, rich people from other countries come
Here for treatment.
We don’t need the federal government involved in healthcare, Frivolous lawsuits and political correctness along with vaccinations for everything are the reason why the costs are so highNeither Trump nor the GOP had an Obamacare replacement.
And you know it, cucks.
They had no legislation. Zip. Zero.
No legislation to reduce government involvement in health care. No legislation to reduce costs to "a tiny fraction".
It was all a hoax.
And you just sit there and take it, cucks.
So when the day comes when UHC is enacted, remember you played a part by being fucking stupid parroting rubes.
Great Britain isn’t a homogeneous society either. They have plenty of blacks, Asians and especially mooselimbs.They have this new thing it’s called google, look it up.1111
Before the Unaffordable care act was ENFORCED, where some people didnt want to buy health insurance but now had to or be taxed, the life expectancy was very high, around 80 years old. But since the Dimwitocraps behind closed doors FORCED this boondoggle of a bill upon US (thanks to the stupidity of the liberal voter) the "life expectancy" decreased for the first time. Thanks Obama.
Life Expectancy In U.S. Drops For First Time In Decades, Report Finds
FACT: People in countries with Universal Health care live longer on average than people in countries without Universal Healthcare.
Fact: Starting an assertion of your opinion with the word "fact" doesn't make it one.
I have this thing called "Not wasting my time." You make an assertion, YOU prove it. If my choice is Googling to try to prove YOUR bullshit for you or simply labeling you as a lying asswipe because you didn't prove it yourself, guess which one I'm picking.
