The American Genocide of the Indians—Historical Facts and Real Evidence

[Mushroom]

Cortez conquered the Mayans with less than two hundred men. The Mayans could field armies of over a hundred thousand soldiers. He defeated them by organizing their enemies against them.

Uh, that was the Aztecs.

The Mayan Civilization collapsed about six hundred years before the Europeans even arrived. There were a few scattered remnants scattered in the jungle here and there, but most of their territory was controlled by the Aztecs when that civilization collapsed.

And the remainders that were still around were not destroyed by Cortez, but Pedro de Alvarado several years later. And they could not field large armies. They were more or less the equivalent of Italy during most of the Middle Ages or classical Greece. The implosion of their civilization collapse left behind multiple smaller city-states that would fight each other as often as they would fight others. But at least in Greece they were also capable of banding together against outside threats. Something neither the Mayans or medieval Italians could do.

 

[DudleySmith]

Cortez had over 200,000 native allies to help him against the Aztecs. So no, he didn't defeat them with just 200 men. Aztecs were a bloody savage homicidal cult, widely hated by all around them. Throwing pity parties for them is just bizarre.

 

[francoHFW]

Whitey produced all the milk, the fact you losers can't admit; all you minorities were just over fed house pets.

Disease killed 80-90% of Indians IMMEDIATELY. It was all over already...

 

[AZrailwhale]

Uh, that was the Aztecs.

The Mayan Civilization collapsed about six hundred years before the Europeans even arrived. There were a few scattered remnants scattered in the jungle here and there, but most of their territory was controlled by the Aztecs when that civilization collapsed.

And the remainders that were still around were not destroyed by Cortez, but Pedro de Alvarado several years later. And they could not field large armies. They were more or less the equivalent of Italy during most of the Middle Ages or classical Greece. The implosion of their civilization collapse left behind multiple smaller city-states that would fight each other as often as they would fight others. But at least in Greece they were also capable of banding together against outside threats. Something neither the Mayans or medieval Italians could do.

Sorry, I get the two mixed up.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Cortez had over 200,000 native allies to help him against the Aztecs. So no, he didn't defeat them with just 200 men. Aztecs were a bloody savage homicidal cult, widely hated by all around them. Throwing pity parties for them is just bizarre.

Reread my post. That’s what I said.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Disease killed 80-90% of Indians IMMEDIATELY. It was all over already...

The figure was never that high and it was over decades. Tribes were too small and scattered for a single mass epidemic to kill that many.

 

[francoHFW]

The figure was never that high and it was over decades. Tribes were too small and scattered for a single mass epidemic to kill that many.

Wrong...Google it. Even 95%....

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong...Google it. Even 95%....

Read more than wiki. Most articles are clear that figure was over a hundred and eight years and includes ALL of the Americas. The current theory is the disease was carried to the new world on black rats and spread by INDIAN coastal traders. The plains Indian tribes were hardly touched because they didn’t have close relations with other tribes.

 

[Mushroom]

Sorry, I get the two mixed up.

And my hat is off to you. Very few in here seem capable of admitting they simply made a mistake.

 

[Mushroom]

The figure was never that high and it was over decades. Tribes were too small and scattered for a single mass epidemic to kill that many.

Exactly. Now while it is true that disease killed about 90%, that was over several centuries.

Population densities were indeed too small for it to be like COVID, where it sweeps a nation in a week or so. Even in a much more densely populated Europe, the Bubonic Plague still took almost a decade to cover the entire continent. And Europe is less than half the size of North America. The 80-90% figure is accurate, but that is over hundreds of years. And for the most part the death rates decreased as tribes built up resistances, and today the Indians are no more susceptible to diseases than any others in the country.

And it was multiple waves of very different diseases. Measles, Chicken Pox, Flu, Small Pox, it was multiple diseases striking different areas at different times. Even into the mid-1800s, tribes were falling victim to diseases they had never encountered before. And in the 19th century, that was finally affecting some of the more remote tribes like the Maidu.

They were largely isolated in the Sierra-Nevada Mountains, and had little contact with Europeans prior to the Gold Rush, so had been spared much of the impact of diseases. But they also lived in Gold Country, so the sudden influx of a flood of people literally from all over the world (including the Eastern US, Europe, Africa, even Asia) suddenly brought in a huge number of diseases they had never been exposed to before and it decimated their numbers. And that was well over 350 years after Europeans discovered the continent.

And that is why when anthropologists today meet remote tribal groups, they are very careful about how they do so. Mostly because they do not want to introduce diseases they had never been exposed to before. Because there are still groups of people on the planet that have had little to no contact with outsiders. One of the worst accidental ones in recent history was the Panara in Brazil. No contact with outsiders, but a highway was built through their territory in 1973. And within a year over two-thirds of the tribe was dead from disease.

Another was in 1981 when the Nukak tribe was first contacted in Columbia. With almost the same result, most of the tribe dying due to disease within a year.

That is why some areas like those on North Sentinel Island are now protected, with contact with the people there prohibited by law.

 

[DudleySmith]

Reread my post. That’s what I said.

I didn't say otherwise, just repeating the facts, since they seem to go ignored by the usual fake history peddlers.

 

[DudleySmith]

Disease killed 80-90% of Indians IMMEDIATELY. It was all over already...

No, they didn't, and that isn't a 'genocide', but a pretty common thing all over the planet for millennia.

 

[francoHFW]

No, they didn't, and that isn't a 'genocide', but a pretty common thing all over the planet for millennia.

Google it.

No, they didn't, and that isn't a 'genocide', but a pretty common thing all over the planet for millennia.

Guns Germs & Steel: Variables. Smallpox | PBS

 

[francoHFW]

No, they didn't, and that isn't a 'genocide', but a pretty common thing all over the planet for millennia.

They also still get disease 4x more easily. Google Indians and diseases

 

[DudleySmith]

They also still get disease 4x more easily. Google Indians and diseases

So?

 

[DudleySmith]

Google it.

Guns Germs & Steel: Variables. Smallpox | PBS

White people catch all those, too.

Have any threads where you snivel about the Arabs spreading bubonic plague to Europe and claiming it was genocide?

White people also developed vaccines, and 'native americans' were among the first to get them, in the early 19th century.

 

[francoHFW]

Google it.

Guns Germs & Steel: Variables. Smallpox | PBS

Read the links duhhh. 90% died before 1800, from Spanish etc 1492, etc

 

[francoHFW]

White people catch all those, too.

Have any threads where you snivel about the Arabs spreading bubonic plague to Europe and claiming it was genocide?

White people also developed vaccines, and 'native americans' were among the first to get them, in the early 19th century.

Never said genocide. Just made genocide easy.

 

[francoHFW]

So?

Dumb racist bunny...

 

[DudleySmith]

Dumb racist bunny...

Projection, of course. You really really hate whitey.