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Where's the context with these pictures, location dates, and normal patterns of ice like this?The article in the OP makes some pretty bad mistakes. Some layman wrote it, and it does not describe what scientists say. 200 foot thick sea ice? That's complete nonsense. Expecting the entire Beaufort Sea to have 15-20 foot sea ice in the summer? No. Just no. The Beaufort Sea is the area north of the northeastern Alaskan Coast, and the Mackenzie delta area in Canada. It's not the high arctic. It freezes up each year, but only to 2-3 meters thick, and then most of it melts out in the summer.
So no, the arctic is not ice-free. Not even close. There's still plenty of thick ice in the high arctic, up above 80N. The icebreakers don't go there, even in summer.
So, what's "ice-free"? We'll probably never see every bit of ice melt over a summer in our lifetimes. "Ice-free" is now getting defined as "Less than 1.0 million square kilometers of sea ice area". That's compared to the record low 2012 minimum of 3.4 million square kilometers. We won't see 1 million soon, but I figure we'll get there by 2030.
Contrary to what the article says, 2012 was not an 'average' year. 2015 is an average year for melt. 2013 and 2014 were below-average years. 2012 was a year with near perfect melt conditions. The early sun was there to get melt ponds going, the winds pulled heat north, the ice export south through the Fram Strait was nonstop, and a late season large cyclone churned the weak ice into warm water. Like with temperatures, we'll keep seeing a general trend going one way. Eventually, another near-perfect year will arrive, and shatter the 2012 record, just as an exceptional year now is shattering the temperature record.
The man searching for 200 foot ice was David Barber, professor of environment and geography, Canada's research chair in Arctic system science and director of the Centre for Earth Observation Science (CEOS) at the University of Manitoba, in Winnipeg.
Where's the context with these pictures, location dates, and normal patterns of ice like this?The article in the OP makes some pretty bad mistakes. Some layman wrote it, and it does not describe what scientists say. 200 foot thick sea ice? That's complete nonsense. Expecting the entire Beaufort Sea to have 15-20 foot sea ice in the summer? No. Just no. The Beaufort Sea is the area north of the northeastern Alaskan Coast, and the Mackenzie delta area in Canada. It's not the high arctic. It freezes up each year, but only to 2-3 meters thick, and then most of it melts out in the summer.
So no, the arctic is not ice-free. Not even close. There's still plenty of thick ice in the high arctic, up above 80N. The icebreakers don't go there, even in summer.
So, what's "ice-free"? We'll probably never see every bit of ice melt over a summer in our lifetimes. "Ice-free" is now getting defined as "Less than 1.0 million square kilometers of sea ice area". That's compared to the record low 2012 minimum of 3.4 million square kilometers. We won't see 1 million soon, but I figure we'll get there by 2030.
Contrary to what the article says, 2012 was not an 'average' year. 2015 is an average year for melt. 2013 and 2014 were below-average years. 2012 was a year with near perfect melt conditions. The early sun was there to get melt ponds going, the winds pulled heat north, the ice export south through the Fram Strait was nonstop, and a late season large cyclone churned the weak ice into warm water. Like with temperatures, we'll keep seeing a general trend going one way. Eventually, another near-perfect year will arrive, and shatter the 2012 record, just as an exceptional year now is shattering the temperature record.
The man searching for 200 foot ice was David Barber, professor of environment and geography, Canada's research chair in Arctic system science and director of the Centre for Earth Observation Science (CEOS) at the University of Manitoba, in Winnipeg.
So a picture of a polar bear on melting ice looking scared would have done the trick? More emotional effect, go with that, especially after seeing what happened with Cecil.Where's the context with these pictures, location dates, and normal patterns of ice like this?The article in the OP makes some pretty bad mistakes. Some layman wrote it, and it does not describe what scientists say. 200 foot thick sea ice? That's complete nonsense. Expecting the entire Beaufort Sea to have 15-20 foot sea ice in the summer? No. Just no. The Beaufort Sea is the area north of the northeastern Alaskan Coast, and the Mackenzie delta area in Canada. It's not the high arctic. It freezes up each year, but only to 2-3 meters thick, and then most of it melts out in the summer.
So no, the arctic is not ice-free. Not even close. There's still plenty of thick ice in the high arctic, up above 80N. The icebreakers don't go there, even in summer.
So, what's "ice-free"? We'll probably never see every bit of ice melt over a summer in our lifetimes. "Ice-free" is now getting defined as "Less than 1.0 million square kilometers of sea ice area". That's compared to the record low 2012 minimum of 3.4 million square kilometers. We won't see 1 million soon, but I figure we'll get there by 2030.
Contrary to what the article says, 2012 was not an 'average' year. 2015 is an average year for melt. 2013 and 2014 were below-average years. 2012 was a year with near perfect melt conditions. The early sun was there to get melt ponds going, the winds pulled heat north, the ice export south through the Fram Strait was nonstop, and a late season large cyclone churned the weak ice into warm water. Like with temperatures, we'll keep seeing a general trend going one way. Eventually, another near-perfect year will arrive, and shatter the 2012 record, just as an exceptional year now is shattering the temperature record.
The man searching for 200 foot ice was David Barber, professor of environment and geography, Canada's research chair in Arctic system science and director of the Centre for Earth Observation Science (CEOS) at the University of Manitoba, in Winnipeg.
These photographs are from a Google image search for Arctic icebergs. I have no other context.
We may not be controlling the weather, but we are definately changing it. From the increase in 100,000 acre fires from less than one per year to nearly 10 per year in the us in the last 20 years, to the decline of ice area and change in the type of ice in the Arctic, we are seeing those changes negatively affecting all of us. Those in denial, and those outright lying about the changes will delay any efforts to ameliorate the problems associated with the changes until they create catastrophes for a large number of people. I hope to be a leading voice is seeing that there is an accounting for this.
I had no diffficulty finding a source that disagrees: Unprecedented 21st century drought risk in the American Southwest and Central Plains Science Advances
A connection between this drought, the severity of this drought and global warming and other climate changes being caused by human GHG emissions, is a common viewpoint among climate scientists.
Abstract
In the Southwest and Central Plains of Western North America, climate change is expected to increase drought severity in the coming decades. These regions nevertheless experienced extended Medieval-era droughts that were more persistent than any historical event, providing crucial targets in the paleoclimate record for benchmarking the severity of future drought risks. We use an empirical drought reconstruction and three soil moisture metrics from 17 state-of-the-art general circulation models to show that these models project significantly drier conditions in the later half of the 21st century compared to the 20th century and earlier paleoclimatic intervals. This desiccation is consistent across most of the models and moisture balance variables, indicating a coherent and robust drying response to warming despite the diversity of models and metrics analyzed. Notably, future drought risk will likely exceed even the driest centuries of the Medieval Climate Anomaly (1100–1300 CE) in both moderate (RCP 4.5) and high (RCP 8.5) future emissions scenarios, leading to unprecedented drought conditions during the last millennium.
So, the paper I presented used historical FACT. And you give us a paper based entirely on computer models. And you think that science fiction is more pertinent than actual facts. Wow, dude, you really are stupid.
I had no diffficulty finding a source that disagrees: Unprecedented 21st century drought risk in the American Southwest and Central Plains Science Advances
A connection between this drought, the severity of this drought and global warming and other climate changes being caused by human GHG emissions, is a common viewpoint among climate scientists.
Abstract
In the Southwest and Central Plains of Western North America, climate change is expected to increase drought severity in the coming decades. These regions nevertheless experienced extended Medieval-era droughts that were more persistent than any historical event, providing crucial targets in the paleoclimate record for benchmarking the severity of future drought risks. We use an empirical drought reconstruction and three soil moisture metrics from 17 state-of-the-art general circulation models to show that these models project significantly drier conditions in the later half of the 21st century compared to the 20th century and earlier paleoclimatic intervals. This desiccation is consistent across most of the models and moisture balance variables, indicating a coherent and robust drying response to warming despite the diversity of models and metrics analyzed. Notably, future drought risk will likely exceed even the driest centuries of the Medieval Climate Anomaly (1100–1300 CE) in both moderate (RCP 4.5) and high (RCP 8.5) future emissions scenarios, leading to unprecedented drought conditions during the last millennium.
So, the paper I presented used historical FACT. And you give us a paper based entirely on computer models. And you think that science fiction is more pertinent than actual facts. Wow, dude, you really are stupid.
Your paper did not use historical fact to make projections. If you want to determine what is likely to happen in the future, you need a model.
The human race is going to face a radical change in lifestyle. But it won't be caused by global warming. It will be caused by progressives forcing us into the dark ages because of their preternatural horror of overpopulation and warm weather. Obama's working overtime to #1, sharply cut our access to energy (read...HEAT and AIR CONDITIONING and REFRIGERATION and FOOD PRODUCTION) #2, establish government control of our food supply, #3 establish government oversight of reproduction and #4 establish government control of child rearing. We're going to be cold, starving, poor, childless, and really really uneducated. We'll be North Koreans.
The human race is going to face a radical change in lifestyle. But it won't be caused by global warming. It will be caused by progressives forcing us into the dark ages because of their preternatural horror of overpopulation and warm weather. Obama's working overtime to #1, sharply cut our access to energy (read...HEAT and AIR CONDITIONING and REFRIGERATION and FOOD PRODUCTION) #2, establish government control of our food supply, #3 establish government oversight of reproduction and #4 establish government control of child rearing. We're going to be cold, starving, poor, childless, and really really uneducated. We'll be North Koreans.
I hope you're entertained by these fantasies. If you want to sell them to us, I suggest something along the lines of evidence.
I had no diffficulty finding a source that disagrees: Unprecedented 21st century drought risk in the American Southwest and Central Plains Science Advances
A connection between this drought, the severity of this drought and global warming and other climate changes being caused by human GHG emissions, is a common viewpoint among climate scientists.
Abstract
In the Southwest and Central Plains of Western North America, climate change is expected to increase drought severity in the coming decades. These regions nevertheless experienced extended Medieval-era droughts that were more persistent than any historical event, providing crucial targets in the paleoclimate record for benchmarking the severity of future drought risks. We use an empirical drought reconstruction and three soil moisture metrics from 17 state-of-the-art general circulation models to show that these models project significantly drier conditions in the later half of the 21st century compared to the 20th century and earlier paleoclimatic intervals. This desiccation is consistent across most of the models and moisture balance variables, indicating a coherent and robust drying response to warming despite the diversity of models and metrics analyzed. Notably, future drought risk will likely exceed even the driest centuries of the Medieval Climate Anomaly (1100–1300 CE) in both moderate (RCP 4.5) and high (RCP 8.5) future emissions scenarios, leading to unprecedented drought conditions during the last millennium.
So, the paper I presented used historical FACT. And you give us a paper based entirely on computer models. And you think that science fiction is more pertinent than actual facts. Wow, dude, you really are stupid.
Your paper did not use historical fact to make projections. If you want to determine what is likely to happen in the future, you need a model.
Projections? Tell me oh brainless one. Which is factual, a prediction, or an actual fact? The paper I linked to shows that there have been MULTIPLE 200 year plus droughts in CA over the last 1200 years. They used DATA. You know, they dug in the dirt and looked at old deposits.
What exactly did your boys do?
Oh, right...they wrote a code that did what they wanted it to do. In other words it's science fiction...but the boring useless kind.
It's not even good for entertainment value.
Just like these projections?
US Navy predicts summer ice free Arctic by 2016 Nafeez Ahmed Environment The Guardian
and further down in the article, another projection is this summer the artic would have been ice free-
The model coheres with the predictions of several other Arctic specialists - namely Prof Peter Wadhams, head of polar ocean physics at Cambridge University and Prof Carlos Duarte, director of the Ocean Institute at the University of Western Australia - who see the disappearance of the Arctic sea ice in the summer of 2015 as likely.
well, there goes their credibility. Lol
One guy in the Navy made such a prediction. Why do you keep claiming the whole Navy made it?
