The Belief That Life Was the Result of an Accident Is Unscientific

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Top 10 New Species Discovered 2017
Every year brings a new cohort of species into the encyclopedia of life. In the past 12 months, there have been at least 18,000 new species described.

So you think a rat just appeared out of nowhere?

Wherever it came from, it IS a new species of rat.

You are one crazy dude for thinking a rat just came out of dust this year.

Nobody thinks that. When you aren't saying false things on accident, you are shamelessly lying.

I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. Just this year a rat became life out of dirt.
Takes a lot of faith to follow your religion.

"I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. "

That's not what he was answering. You know this. Everyone knows you know this. You know everyone knows you know this. Bizarre.

 

[fncceo]

I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. Just this year a rat became life out of dirt.

The 51 known rat species all belong to the genus Rattus of the family of Muroidea of the order Rodentia of the class Mammalia which also includes us.

Rats, Cats, Dogs, and Us all share a common ancestor. Probably this guy ...

 

[JimBowie1958]

I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. Just this year a rat became life out of dirt.

The 51 known rat species all belong to the genus Rattus of the family of Muroidea of the order Rodentia of the class Mammalia which also includes us.

Rats, Cats, Dogs, and Us all share a common ancestor. Probably this guy ...

But cats are much closer in the evolutionary tree to rats than dogs are. Much much closer.

 

[fncceo]

I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. Just this year a rat became life out of dirt.

The 51 known rat species all belong to the genus Rattus of the family of Muroidea of the order Rodentia of the class Mammalia which also includes us.

Rats, Cats, Dogs, and Us all share a common ancestor. Probably this guy ...

But cats are much closer in the evolutionary tree to rats than dogs are. Much much closer.

I don't like to judge them ... but it must be why I hate cats.

 

[JimBowie1958]

But cats are much closer in the evolutionary tree to rats than dogs are. Much much closer.

I don't like to judge them ... but it must be why I hate cats.

You were saying?

 

[JimBowie1958]

 

[fncceo]

My favourite cat ...

 

[JimBowie1958]

My favourite cat ...

Yeah, we have a local Korean Restaurant that has BYOC Thursdays.

 

[Old Rocks]

Top 10 New Species Discovered 2017
Every year brings a new cohort of species into the encyclopedia of life. In the past 12 months, there have been at least 18,000 new species described.

So you think a rat just appeared out of nowhere?

Wherever it came from, it IS a new species of rat.

You are one crazy dude for thinking a rat just came out of dust this year.

Nobody thinks that. When you aren't saying false things on accident, you are shamelessly lying.

I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. Just this year a rat became life out of dirt.
Takes a lot of faith to follow your religion.

You must work really hard at sounding stupid. Very hard, indeed. Quite obviously, that rat descended from another rat.

 

[edthecynic]

True, but you also understand Entropy also, right?

I'm sure YOU don't!!!

 

[edthecynic]

Top 10 New Species Discovered 2017
Every year brings a new cohort of species into the encyclopedia of life. In the past 12 months, there have been at least 18,000 new species described.

So you think a rat just appeared out of nowhere?

Wherever it came from, it IS a new species of rat.

You are one crazy dude for thinking a rat just came out of dust this year.

Nobody thinks that. When you aren't saying false things on accident, you are shamelessly lying.

I asked if new species appeared in the evolutionary process, and the answer was yes, a rat. Just this year a rat became life out of dirt.
Takes a lot of faith to follow your religion.

The fact that you created a Straw Man proves you know I was correct.
BTW it is the bible that claims life came from dirt.

 

[cnm]

Anyone who believes life is an accidental byproduct of an explosion long ago is saying atoms have sentient life.

The limp dick fail is strong in this one.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The order of events in Genesis is astoundingly similar to what modern scientists posit.....

If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic...
The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.

Sure, light and the day and night cycle formed on day one and vegetation formed on day three BEFORE the sun was formed on day four.

So glad you'd slithered in for the education you so sorely require.....and not a minute too soon!

Let's go over the events:

1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Your own quote continues showing day and night without the sun, “And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.”

So you continue to ignore the astounding similarity between the modern version of evolution and the Biblical recounting of same?

I've got the new symbol for your party right here:

There is no Biblical recounting of evolution. the Bible was written by barely literate people who were writing down the legends handed down by even less literate goat herders. they didn't even know the freaking Earth was round. Give me a break.

Wrong, you dunce.


1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.



2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.


a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.


Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….



3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.


a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth



4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’


Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’


Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.

a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect


b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf

....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.

How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?

That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?


What are the odds?



5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.


a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.


b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.


6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?

Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?


7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.


The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.


Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!


The alternative explanation is divine intervention.

1. “ a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not.” What do scientists think about religion?

 

[alang1216]

If you want to call an oxygen atom bonding to 2 hydrogen atoms order, we are talking at two kinds of things.

Maybe you need to define 'order' for us?

Mine is below and seems to define crystals quite well:

or·der
ˈôrdər/
noun
noun: order; plural noun: orders; noun: Order
1.
the arrangement or disposition of people or things in relation to each other according to a particular sequence, pattern, or method.

Find any apple computers on the moon? No? You just claimed an explosion resulted in order. Let's make it simple. Find any square shapes on the moon? No? What's that? Everything is eroded? Uh. Who woulda thunk in the universe chemical compounds ultimately break apart into simpler materials; they do not ultimately become more complex.

No Apple computers in my house either. So? There are likely trillions of square shapes on the moon since many minerals display that shape. As for complexity, you are incorrect here too. See here.

 

[JimBowie1958]

True, but you also understand Entropy also, right?

I'm sure YOU don't!!!

Entropy is the increase in disorder on a collection of atoms that have order.

Your brain is in meltdown and therefore an example of Entropy.

 

[alang1216]

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Did God create heaven and earth before the light (big bang)?

 

[JimBowie1958]

The alternative explanation is divine intervention.

1. a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not.” What do scientists think about religion?

An alternative explanation to Genesis being about the creation of the universe is that it was an oral history of humanity surviving the Toba Extinction event. The cloud cover from that massive volcano went from the surface on up and initiated a 6 year long volcanic winter and global darkness.

The penetration of light would have been a dim vague glow initially then separating into periods of night and day as the cloud covered thinned.

Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia

The Toba supereruption was a supervolcanic eruption that occurred about 75,000 years ago at the site of present-day Lake Toba (Sumatra, Indonesia). It is one of the Earth's largest known eruptions. The Toba catastrophe theory holds that this event caused a global volcanic winter of 6–10 years and possibly a 1,000-year-long cooling episode....

The erupted mass was 100 times greater than that of the largest volcanic eruption in recent history, the 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora in Indonesia, which caused the 1816 "Year Without a Summer" in the Northern Hemisphere.[13] Toba's erupted mass deposited an ash layer about 15 centimetres (6 inches) thick over the whole of South Asia. A blanket of volcanic ash was also deposited over the Indian Ocean, and the Arabian Sea and South China Sea.[14] Deep-sea cores retrieved from the South China Sea have extended the known reach of the eruption, suggesting that the 2800 km3 calculation of the erupted mass is a minimum value or even an underestimate....

The Toba eruption apparently coincided with the onset of the last glacial period. Michael L. Rampino and Stephen Self argue that the eruption caused a "brief, dramatic cooling or 'volcanic winter'", which resulted in a drop of the global mean surface temperature by 3–5 °C and accelerated the transition from warm to cold temperatures of the last glacial cycle.[16] Evidence from Greenland ice cores indicates a 1,000-year period of low δ18O and increased dust deposition immediately following the eruption. The eruption may have caused this 1,000-year period of cooler temperatures (stadial), two centuries of which could be accounted for by the persistence of the Toba stratospheric loading.[17] Rampino and Self believe that global cooling was already underway at the time of the eruption, but that the process was slow; YTT "may have provided the extra 'kick' that caused the climate system to switch from warm to cold states".[18] Although Clive Oppenheimer rejects the hypothesis that the eruption triggered the last glaciation,[19] he agrees that it may have been responsible for a millennium of cool climate prior to the 19th Dansgaard-Oeschger event.[20]

According to Alan Robock, who has also published nuclear winter papers, the Toba eruption did not precipitate the last glacial period. However assuming an emission of six billion tons of sulphur dioxide, his computer simulations concluded that a maximum global cooling of approximately 15 °C occurred for three years after the eruption, and that this cooling would last for decades, devastating life....

The Toba eruption has been linked to a genetic bottleneck in human evolution about 70,000 years ago,[33][34] which may have resulted from a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption on the global climate.[35]

According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000–10,000 surviving individuals.[36][37] It is supported by genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.[38]

Proponents of the genetic bottleneck theory (including Robock) suggest that the Toba eruption resulted in a global ecological disaster, including destruction of vegetation along with severe drought in the tropical rainforest belt and in monsoonal regions. For example, a 10-year volcanic winter triggered by the eruption could have largely destroyed the food sources of humans and caused a severe reduction in population sizes.[24] Τhese environmental changes may have generated population bottlenecks in many species, including hominids;[39] this in turn may have accelerated differentiation from within the smaller human population. Therefore, the genetic differences among modern humans may reflect changes within the last 70,000 years, rather than gradual differentiation over hundreds of thousands of years.[40]

Other research has cast doubt on a link between Toba and a genetic bottleneck. For example, ancient stone tools in southern India were found above and below a thick layer of ash from the Toba eruption and were very similar across these layers, suggesting that the dust clouds from the eruption did not wipe out this local population.[41][42][43] Additional archaeological evidence from Southern and Northern India also suggests a lack of evidence for effects of the eruption on local populations, leading the authors of the study to conclude, "many forms of life survived the supereruption, contrary to other research which has suggested significant animal extinctions and genetic bottlenecks".[44] However, evidence from pollen analysis has suggested prolonged deforestation in South Asia, and some researchers have suggested that the Toba eruption may have forced humans to adopt new adaptive strategies, which may have permitted them to replace Neanderthals and "other archaic human species".[45] This has been challenged by evidence for the presence of Neanderthals in Europe and Homo floresiensis in Southeastern Asia who survived the eruption by 50,000 and 60,000 years, respectively.​

Perhaps Adam and Eve were the first tribe of hominids that had language in combination with self awareness and spirituality??

 

[JimBowie1958]

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Did God create heaven and earth before the light (big bang)?

That does seem problematic, but it fits a theory of recovery from the Toba Extinction event.

The main point is that the Bible narrative is not scientific text. The events of that verse are not necessarily even meant to be interpreted as sequential.

 

[edthecynic]

True, but you also understand Entropy also, right?

I'm sure YOU don't!!!

Entropy is the increase in disorder on a collection of atoms that have order.
Your brain is in meltdown and therefore an example of Entropy.

I knew you had no Idea what entropy was in physics.
Thank you.

 

[alang1216]

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Did God create heaven and earth before the light (big bang)?

That does seem problematic, but it fits a theory of recovery from the Toba Extinction event.

I'm not sure how this fits a theory of recovery from the Toba Extinction event?

The main point is that the Bible narrative is not scientific text. The events of that verse are not necessarily even meant to be interpreted as sequential.

On this we can agree. It is a collection of theology meant to impart the values of the Jewish people. Same with the NT so taking either literally does each a disservice.